Fighters that were unable to rebound from big losses?

Who are your top 3?

Mine are:-

1) Mike Tyson - Was never the same after Douglas battered him. He stopped moving his head & throwing combos, plus he seemed to lose heart when faced with adversity. His whole life unravelled after that & we all know what happened to him.

2) Matthew Saad Muhammad - My all time favourite fighter. Was an all action, exciting champ until he ran into Dwight Qawi who pounded the brown stuff out of him. The rematch went the same way & Saad spent the rest of his career as a journeyman, getting beaten by guys that weren't fit to spar with him.

3) Pipino Cuevas - Thomas Hearns not only destroyed his ego, but seemed to ruin his career too. Seemed to lose almost every time he fought after the Hearns loss.

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Who are your top 3?

Mine are:-

1) Mike Tyson - Was never the same after Douglas battered him. He stopped moving his head & throwing combos, plus he seemed to lose heart when faced with adversity. His whole life unravelled after that & we all know what happened to him.

2) Matthew Saad Muhammad - My all time favourite fighter. Was an all action, exciting champ until he ran into Dwight Qawi who pounded the brown stuff out of him. The rematch went the same way & Saad spent the rest of his career as a journeyman, getting beaten by guys that weren't fit to spar with him.

3) Pipino Cuevas - Thomas Hearns not only destroyed his ego, but seemed to ruin his career too. Seemed to lose almost every time he fought after the Hearns loss.

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how about naseem hamed?

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Who are your top 3?

Mine are:-

1) Mike Tyson - Was never the same after Douglas battered him. He stopped moving his head & throwing combos, plus he seemed to lose heart when faced with adversity. His whole life unravelled after that & we all know what happened to him.

2) Matthew Saad Muhammad - My all time favourite fighter. Was an all action, exciting champ until he ran into Dwight Qawi who pounded the brown stuff out of him. The rematch went the same way & Saad spent the rest of his career as a journeyman, getting beaten by guys that weren't fit to spar with him.

3) Pipino Cuevas - Thomas Hearns not only destroyed his ego, but seemed to ruin his career too. Seemed to lose almost every time he fought after the Hearns loss.

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how about naseem hamed?

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Good shout.

He seemed to lose all heart when he realised that his power wasn't heaven sent.

I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

Meldrick Taylor, after Chaves

David Reid by far, I would mention Vargas but he did show alot of heart after the brutal beating from Tito.

Ricky Hatton.

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Meldrick Taylor, after Chaves

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Thats good one man. It seemed like it just lost all of his heart after that fight and was never the same fighter. Its sad to because I thought he was one hell of a boxer. I still believe he got robbed in that chavez fight.

Got to agree about Curry.

What happened to that guy?

Honeyghan literally killed his career.

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Ricky Hatton.

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ahem... excuse me? i do believe that hatton is undefeated sweet cheeks!
but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

Breland post Starling

Nunn post Toney

Buchanan was never quite the same post Duran

Camacho post Rosario ;)

Mosley post Forrest

Graham post Kalambay

Watson post McCallum

Hearns post Hagler

Liston post Ali/Clay

Bowe post Holyfield

Golota post Lewis

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Breland post Starling

Nunn post Toney

Buchanan was never quite the same post Duran

Camacho post Rosario ;)

Mosley post Forrest

Graham post Kalambay

Watson post McCallum

Hearns post Hagler

Liston post Ali/Clay

Bowe post Holyfield

Golota post Lewis

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i agree with all that apart from mosely after forrest, forrest sucks these days and mosely is still up with the best!!

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how about naseem hamed?

Good shout.

He seemed to lose all heart when he realised that his power wasn't heaven sent.

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Nazeem Hammed Lost to one man.

And he felt to bad to fight afterwards, only a pick-me-up against Calvo.

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i agree with all that apart from mosely after forrest, forrest sucks these days and mosely is still up with the best!!

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Mosley may be top 20 pound for pound now a days but pre Forrest he was vying for #1 spot. IMO he has never recovered the form he showed between DLH1 and Forrest1...

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i agree with all that apart from mosely after forrest, forrest sucks these days and mosely is still up with the best!!

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Mosley may be top 20 pound for pound now a days but pre Forrest he was vying for #1 spot. IMO he has never recovered the form he showed between DLH1 and Forrest1...

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yeh i feel you, youre point could be argued not sure though...

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Watson post McCallum

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I guess you missed the second Eubank fight.. lol!

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Watson post McCallum

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I guess you missed the second Eubank fight.. lol!

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Sadly no, I was there, that disgraceful night...

Watson was never the same fighter post McCallum.

IMO The Watson that beat Dangerous Don and Benn would of easily had Eubank's measure; instead they had two close and ultimately tragic fights.

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Watson post McCallum

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I guess you missed the second Eubank fight.. lol!

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Sadly no, I was there, that disgraceful night...

Watson was never the same fighter post McCallum.

IMO The Watson that beat Dangerous Don and Benn would of easily had Eubank's measure; instead they had two close and ultimately tragic fights.

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Lol. I almost choked on my coffee reading that..

Watson was average, never near Benn's or Eubank's class, IMO.

He only beat Benn because Benn fought like a berk, whacking arms and gloves until he was burned out. Not even Watson's own team gave him a chance against Benn!

Eubank won the first six rounds easily - making Watson looking very average - before running out of strength due to losing 19lbs in four days. In the rematch, Watson clearly fought levels above anything he'd ever shown before - he was like a fucking man possessed.. the rumours of drugs and hypnotis, I wouldn't be suprised.

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Ricky Hatton.

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ahem... excuse me? i do believe that hatton is undefeated sweet cheeks!
but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

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It's debatable whether he won or lost to Collazo, and I was mostly joking. Still, his sprint from the WW division back to fight a bum for a title he already abandoned at 140 is pretty shameful.

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Ricky Hatton.

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ahem... excuse me? i do believe that hatton is undefeated sweet cheeks!
but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

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It's debatable whether he won or lost to Collazo, and I was mostly joking. Still, his sprint from the WW division back to fight a bum for a title he already abandoned at 140 is pretty shameful.

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im mixed on this one, not shameful hella disapointing though, im not sure how certain they are about the move yet? i havnt seen it garenteed?? and in all honesty i think hatton did win the fight, its just another jones-tarver case he didnt win convincingly and he had trouble so people be talkin bout losing frankly i think its fair to say he won, but it wasnt great, thank god for that unexpected knockdown at the beginning is all i can say!
RICKY IS STIL MY BOY THOUGH!! ;D

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Originally Posted by shza

Ricky Hatton.

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ahem... excuse me? i do believe that hatton is undefeated sweet cheeks!
but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

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It's debatable whether he won or lost to Collazo, and I was mostly joking. Still, his sprint from the WW division back to fight a bum for a title he already abandoned at 140 is pretty shameful.

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im mixed on this one, not shameful hella disapointing though, im not sure how certain they are about the move yet? i havnt seen it garenteed?? and in all honesty i think hatton did win the fight, its just another jones-tarver case he didnt win convincingly and he had trouble so people be talkin bout losing frankly i think its fair to say he won, but it wasnt great, thank god for that unexpected knockdown at the beginning is all i can say!
RICKY IS STIL MY BOY THOUGH!! ;D

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I think it's official that he's returning to 140 to fight some bum named Urango for one of the belts that Ricky voluntarily abandoned when he went up for his one-off at 147. i thought he drew at best against Collazo; and now that he's fighting a complete no-name bum, the excuse that he's really after big fights now and that's why he's not giving Collazo the rematch he initially promised holds no water. Hatton-Collazo II would certainly be a bigger fight than this joke match against Urango. But i guess the take-away is that he doesn't think he can hack it at 147 so he's back to the junior ranks.

It took Quartey six years to rebound even though it was not because of talent it was more of his ego.

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Originally Posted by shza

Ricky Hatton.

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ahem... excuse me? i do believe that hatton is undefeated sweet cheeks!
but mine are
Iron mike
Fernando Vargas,
Naseem Hamed
felix trinidad to an extent??

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It's debatable whether he won or lost to Collazo, and I was mostly joking. Still, his sprint from the WW division back to fight a bum for a title he already abandoned at 140 is pretty shameful.

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im mixed on this one, not shameful hella disapointing though, im not sure how certain they are about the move yet? i havnt seen it garenteed?? and in all honesty i think hatton did win the fight, its just another jones-tarver case he didnt win convincingly and he had trouble so people be talkin bout losing frankly i think its fair to say he won, but it wasnt great, thank god for that unexpected knockdown at the beginning is all i can say!
RICKY IS STIL MY BOY THOUGH!! ;D

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I think it's official that he's returning to 140 to fight some bum named Urango for one of the belts that Ricky voluntarily abandoned when he went up for his one-off at 147. i thought he drew at best against Collazo; and now that he's fighting a complete no-name bum, the excuse that he's really after big fights now and that's why he's not giving Collazo the rematch he initially promised holds no water. Hatton-Collazo II would certainly be a bigger fight than this joke match against Urango. But i guess the take-away is that he doesn't think he can hack it at 147 so he's back to the junior ranks.

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disapointing.
he if hes sticking at 140 he best fight jlc else im gone be pissed! cos light welter WAS where its at, and now its at welter and he knows it.

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It took Quartey six years to rebound even though it was not because of talent it was more of his ego.

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hopefully he'll rebound quicker this time--that was the worst he's been robbed yet.

I think Vargas never really rebounded from the TRINIDAD DELAHOYA AND MOSLEY kos in fact he looked like he was 70 years old in that ring against mosley :'(

Trinidad, the three-to-one favorite over Hopkins

when the truth got preached that night, he just quit boxing.

Came back and truth got preached again.

It's not like he got a personal beat-down that made him less and unable to fight at his same level. Just that his level was exposed, and that took the wind right out of his career.

He was an impressive talent but how funny it now seems that he was ever 3/1 over Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Meldrick Taylor, after Chaves

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How could you say that? Meldrick suffered Brain damage from that fight. Not to mention that was one of the toughest fights EVER!!!

Naz was disappointing....I think it was more about the Perfect record than the beating....you can't get rid of a "L".

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Naz was disappointing....I think it was more about the Perfect record than the beating....you can't get rid of a "L".

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And ... he had dedicated that victory to Moslems everywhere on earth. He was so absolutely sure he was unbeatable, that Allah had already delivered the fight into his hands.

There's an interesting depth of humiliation and a struggle of faith all wrapped up in that personal loss. He had to come to terms with a very different divine act than he had expected.

Someday, if he ever achieves humility and not just humiliation, it would be very interesting to hear him speak of this.

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Originally Posted by Britkid

Breland post Starling

Nunn post Toney

Buchanan was never quite the same post Duran

Camacho post Rosario ;)

Mosley post Forrest

Graham post Kalambay

Watson post McCallum

Hearns post Hagler

Liston post Ali/Clay

Bowe post Holyfield

Golota post Lewis

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Hearns fought on for 20 years post Hagler. During those 20 years he had 2 legit losses, 1tko,1split dec.
Titles won by Tommy Hearns post Hagler;
WBC LT/MIDDLE.
WBC MIDDLE.
WBC SUPER MIDDLE
WBO SUPER MIDDLE.
WBA LIGHT HEAVY.
WBU CRUISER.
IBO CRUISER.
World titles in FIVE DIFFERENT WEIGHT DIVISIONS. POST HAGLER.
If only Tommy could have got past that loss to Marv, maybe the Heavyweight title as well. ;D ;D ;D

hmm....Herol Graham. Julian Jackson. Julio Cesar Chavez actually. Buster Douglas was unable to rebound from the Tyson victory. Riddick Bowe.

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hmm....Herol Graham. Julian Jackson. Julio Cesar Chavez actually. Buster Douglas was unable to rebound from the Tyson victory. Riddick Bowe.

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hmm....Herol Graham. Julian Jackson. Julio Cesar Chavez actually. Buster Douglas was unable to rebound from the Tyson victory. Riddick Bowe.

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Why did I know you would go there....God I've missed you. ;D

I think it has something to do with my signature below.... 8)

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His career isn't over. But I've learned to ignore all of your thrusts toward Zab Judah and take it as your way of saying you love me ;D

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I am not going to agree with the Tyson one, as he still regained his title afterwards, fought main events and was 'the man' for a while after that loss.

What about Don Curry, though, after Honeyghan beat him up?

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How can you disagree with the Tyson choice and than mention Curry? Curry manage to win another title after the Honeyghan loss.

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Hearns fought on for 20 years post Hagler. During those 20 years he had 2 legit losses, 1tko,1split dec.
Titles won by Tommy Hearns post Hagler;
WBC LT/MIDDLE.
WBC MIDDLE.
WBC SUPER MIDDLE
WBO SUPER MIDDLE.
WBA LIGHT HEAVY.
WBU CRUISER.
IBO CRUISER.
World titles in FIVE DIFFERENT WEIGHT DIVISIONS. POST HAGLER.
If only Tommy could have got past that loss to Marv, maybe the Heavyweight title as well. ;D ;D ;D

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Tommy was never quite the same post Hagler. Sure he won a few bits of alphabet crap, but he peaked in 82 though to 84, and never showed the classic Hitman right hand post Shuler...

And he won his 154lbs alphabet crap pre Hagler and won his only World Championship at 154lbs pre Hagler, when he annihilated Duran.

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Breland post Starling

Nunn post Toney

Buchanan was never quite the same post Duran

Camacho post Rosario ;)

Mosley post Forrest

Graham post Kalambay

Watson post McCallum

Hearns post Hagler

Liston post Ali/Clay

Bowe post Holyfield

Golota post Lewis

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gotta disagree on the Bowe post Holyfield fight being that he went on to beat evander again, and has yet to lose another fight, although boxrec has him fighting in october (bad decision on riddicks part imo)



i agree a little bit, but i was thinking more along the lines of hamed vs. barerra
its true that riddick started fading away, but im not so sure that was because of holyfield

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gotta disagree on the Bowe post Holyfield fight being that he went on to beat evander again, and has yet to lose another fight, although boxrec has him fighting in october (bad decision on riddicks part imo)

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Bowe peaked with the first Holyfield fight IMO.

After losing to Commander Vander he never regained the form he showed in 92.

And although technically he 'won' the Golota fights, anyome who saw them fights know who really won... ;)

And he looked damn pathetic against some bum... I mean Zumbrum ;)

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gotta disagree on the Bowe post Holyfield fight being that he went on to beat evander again, and has yet to lose another fight, although boxrec has him fighting in october (bad decision on riddicks part imo)

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Bowe peaked with the first Holyfield fight IMO.

After losing to Commander Vander he never regained the form he showed in 92.

And although technically he 'won' the Golota fights, anyome who saw them fights know who really won... ;)

And he looked damn pathetic against some bum... I mean Zumbrum ;)

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right about bowe/holyfield one, but bowe lost a sd in holyfield/bowe 2 (not exactly an evander domination) and came back to win the third

as far as the golota fights, bowe was losing but a dq is a dq. if fighting dirty is an issue with golota (it is) then that is a big flaw in his game, just like judahs lack of focus or michael grant's chin ;)

as far as zumbrum, bowe looked terrible but he won the fight and retired afterwards (cant fault him for that, because he knew when to get out)

I somewhat agree with Mike Tyson, however the quality of opponents changed after his loss. Don King was forced to put him up against serious challenges as now he could no longer pick and choose.