The article about Lewis is so...low. After he run out of Tyson for a decade or so, he is a grater fighter ? Come on Tyson fans help me out in this problem!
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The article about Lewis is so...low. After he run out of Tyson for a decade or so, he is a grater fighter ? Come on Tyson fans help me out in this problem!
Romania pro boxing...
hello peeps...... I am from Turkey and have much boxing kno-how. Are you Bulgarie. :beat:
I had girlfriend call Sofia, like your capital but she smell more fishy I think.
I hate injustice and must coem to your aid.. :beat: :beat:. Lewis was not the grater fighter. best boxer of 90's was RAHMAN.
do your homework and you will see Tysons camp paid Lewis off to not fight him in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by flo10bjk
Idiot
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Originally Posted by Poom
proof? ??? ???
It is not even something that is disputed it is fact to anybody that knows anything that Tyson paid Lewis to not have to fight him!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
proof??? ??? ???
Hold on I'm just logging into Lennox Lewis' bank account ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
TIT!!!
the ironic thing is he paid him so he could fight the old version of Holyear ((which everyone including me said was shot to bits)) and he lost anyway hahahaha ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
did i kick myself after that fight because i though Tyson was gonna give Holyear a one sidded beating in a few rounds so didn't buy the PPV
was well pissed off when i found out the result and had to wait a week to watch it >:mad
Do your research instead of your nut hugging and you will find it, as much as I like Tyson I've seen docu footage where his camp basically admited to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Deuce
Well let me say two things right off the start since it was my article!!!!!! First off spell check is available in every country.....Second If you believe that Tyson in any way shape or form is or was a better fighter than Lewis you are confusing being a fan of boxing to knowing boxing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by flo10bjk
There was not one thing in that article that wasn't true...Lewis Champ for 12 yrs Yes...Lewis avenge his two losses...Yes....When Lewis was champion did we sit and wonder who would emerge as the number one fighter in the Heavyweight division?? NO!!!!.....I never put Lewis on a pedastool I just stated the facts...Love him or hate him Lewis was a dominate champion with the record to prove it
AND NOT A PADDED RECORD WITH NAMES LIKE PETER MCNELLY ( OR HOW EVER YOU SPELL IT) OR JIM BOB JUST LOST TO MY WIFE YESTERDAY.... How can you even compare the two
actually im a Tyson fan, he is my 2nd favourite boxer after James Toney.Quote:
Originally Posted by flo10bjk
Doesn't stop me from stating facts about him though
Lewis was freaking great, avenged the 2 losses he had, and as far as I know wasn't a half maniac outside of the ring. Only thing I wish lewis had done was give vitali a rematch, but other than that great champ and I like him better than tyson personaly.
DaxxKhan, you do know your boxing and stuff, but I'm afraid that I think the prime Tyson was a better fighter than the prime Lewis. It's a shame that the prime Lewis lasted about 8 years, whereas prime Tyson possibly only lasted 128 seconds against Spinks! Mind you, this is only a matter of opinion as both guys were very very good fighters who dominated their times.
it's a shame that top fighters often peak at different times. Quite often if you are a great/good but have no one at your level to test you then your legacy, in some peoples eyes will always be in question and I think that is the problem here.
dont mind me just taking out the trash :)
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Awww, I was goading that fool !!
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Originally Posted by flo10bjk
tyson improved a lot when he got his discipline back after converting to islam allah gave him power and he became the best
Ha ha - fuck me, it is either the second coming of Muhammed or the athlete formerly known as Cassius is a member !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by HonorableMuhammed
Well I base my opinions like this,,Quality of opposition,,Longevity,,Consistancy,,and ability to rebound from a loss....Lewis had a longer prime like you said..He also fought and beat better fighters,,,Mike's prime was in a weak era...When he faced adversity he bombed out...A lot of it was due to personal problems he let effect his career...Mental make up is just as important as physical when it comes to a fighter...Personaly I dont count the Douglas loss against Tyson..IMO it was a fluke Douglas could never repeat...I do go by the rest of the losses though...Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Truth is Tyson wasted most of his prime in prison...Mike won the title at such an early age he had so much more to learn...His personal life ruined a fighter who IMO didn't reach his peak...If Tyson had stayed around the right people he would have become even better...After he was already champion...Tyson could have went down as the freatest HW in history he had the goods we all know that...but we will never know...So I go by what they accomplished....
Daxx, I totally agree with everything you said - I still just think that the saying "it's better to burn out like a comet than slowly fade away" applies to Tysons's talent.
He had more talent that Lewis, he was more eye catching, he did absolutely dominate the HWs for a few years (at least as long as Dempsey and Marciano did) and i belive that eh would have been competitive against almost any HW in history.
Yes, he could have been the greatest ever, yes he was mentally wierd, yes he was stupid with hangers on, yes he lost his prime in prison ...... but he wasn't half good while he was out in the late 80's early 90's.
Don't diss Tyson for dominating the Heavyweight division he came along in cause it isn't his fault he came in that era, just like it isn't Lewis' fault for being in his era. You can say all you want to about saying Tyson had a padded record but I ask you WHO ELSE WAS OUT THERE FOR HIM TO FIGHT IN HIS PRIME? He fought them, he beat them and climaxed at Mike Spinks, end of story, he dominated his Era, and Lewis was after his era and he dominated that one, leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
It is what it is...As far as a career goes Lewis was better...Plain and simple....Prime or no prime....If they met in their primes Tyson wouldnt be able to bully Lewis...Lewis would not just allow Tyson to hit him or use false Bravado like many of Tysons opponents...Spinks was beat long before the bell rang...I never said Tyson sucked Inever made any other remarks than Lewis fought better comp and IMO would have won if the two met in their primes...Why are you defending Mike like you know him...Compare records and look at the outcomes...Longevity makes a great fighter...AS I SAID ALREADY BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ THE ABOVE POST CAREFULLY no one know what Tyson could have done...Until then you have to go by what he did...Other than being the youngest HW champ Lewis accomplished much much more....PLAIN AND SIMPLE.....Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
I just think everbody pays to much attention to how Tyson was post 96 (even post 89) whose to say that Lewis or anybody else would've been able to stand up to Tyson circa 1989. It would not be the same scenario as it was in 2002.
If Tyson retired after the Spinks fight would anybody really seriusoly be claiming that he only ruled by fear and if you stood up to him you could beat him - I don't think they would Tyson was shot from 89 onwards, but in his prime I only see Ali beating him
If he retired after beating Spinks everybody on this site would have him top 5 of all time Heavyweights, so whuy don't they now, surely you judge a fighter in his prime?
He nearly did retire after Spinks aswell.
People didn't step up to Tyson, he forgot his art and became nothing more than a puncher.
Exactly, people forget, he had a great jab, with that quick double jab, awseome hooks from both sides, excellent defence, probab;y the best lateral movemnt I have ever seen from anybody above Middleweight, people's memories are to clouded with the slugger that he later becamse - infact I'm sure that half the people that comment haven't even seen him in his primeQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I am a big LL fan, but objectively imagine the Lennox Lewis against Briggs, McCall (1) Rahman (1) Klitchko for example, he was so open he would've got knocked out - sorry it's true
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Originally Posted by BIG H
It's a bit unfair to ask people to dismiss the last 15 years of Tyson's career though. Its hard not to remember him by his loses.
Obviously his prime (late 80s) was more about the manner he won than whom he beat. I reckon that 80's Tyson starts favourite against any heavyweight in history. Whether or not he'd of beaten the other greats is just "if my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle" stuff.
I dunno, nobody considers the last 11 years of Holmes career when placing him as an atg :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Armin, you hit it on the head on all accounts exactly, and especially the Klitschko rematch. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
"A lie told often enough becomes the truth (sic)" Punctuation always follows the end of a sentence, particularly when quotes are used; I believe Dr. Herman Goebbels said that, Nicht wahr? Und, was ist der unterschied zwischen Saddo und Frau X? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Well I dunno maybe that has somethinmg to do with age and i guess you have to start assessing opponents but in Tyson's case it seems a short time to judge him by. Remember he started as a HUGE favourite against Holyfield.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
that was classic...Tyson got what he deservesQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
AdamGB, im nuthuggin because i want someone who makes a comment in this forum to back it up????... what a shame :(... Because, im not disagreeing with anyone about tyson paying lennox not to fight, i just never seen/heard that. BUT, id like proof...Make a statement, and if someone hasnt heard it before, prove it. whats so hard about that? Dont cry to me and tell me i should know it, ok thats a tidbit of info that i never heard before. So please enlighten me. and if you cant. say it. Im not going to go research blank statements all day.
Proof is in the puddin, so call bill cosby, maybe hes got the youtube link.
Again, i just want to make the comment, im not a boxing analyst, im not a sports writer, im an honest, and true fan of the sport. I love it, ive loved it since i can remember. But, im not going to take anyones "word for it". no matter how many posts or CC's you have.(although some of you have a Sh!t load, so you guys must be saying something right lmao) I like this forum, im impressed with alot of the knowledge people have here. But dont penalize me for asking for proof, if you make or support a comment, you should be proud enough to stand behind it with proof.
enough with the rant..
i dont think anyone can deny that talent that mike tyson had, and he did dominate the HWD for a short while, true the opposition wasnt the hardest, and the same can be said for lennox lewis. He was clearly the most talented of his era, but these are both weak, unstable eras that contained no excellent heavyweights (well none in their prime) to test them. If lennox lewis is so great, someone name me 1 fighter that he beat, that could be placed on the top 10 heavies ever. (please dont even mention tyson or holyfield, fighters past their prime dont count! im not sayin tyson is a top 10 heavy ever, but someone might).
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Originally Posted by Raeder
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I agree - I am not a big fan of the English either.
TY; I am an Irish-American. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by X