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Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
for those who dont know of these 2 ,they were bare knuckle fighters,
ive read both there books and they both claim to have fought twice, but the outcomes are different in each book, Mclean claims the first fight was a draw and that he won the second while shaw claims he won the first and lost the second because he was not in shape and that mclean refused a 3rd fight- can any one clear this up for me?
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Lenny won them both IMO...i think you can find them on YouTube mate.
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my pc is to sh*t to play them youtube things, id like to think lenny won them both as he came across as a nicer bloke after reading both books
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
They were not boxers, or even professional fighters.
Neither would go past 4 rounds with a half decent pro.
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
I thought they fought 3 times, Shaw winning the first but it wasn't recorded
then McClean won the next 2 by ko, ive those 2 on dvd, u can pick them up for about a fiver on ebay
the ones i got have loads of fights and the qualitys not bad either
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
yeh they fought three bouts the first you wont find footage of but lenny did and roy will openly tell you that there was three, roy won the first by stoppage because roy was beating len silly with alot of un answered punches but couldnt knock him down, the second fight lenny knocked roy silly and punched him through the ropes , and the third was a knockdown fest where lenny tore roy apart and knocked him down and out twice!!
did anyone every see roy shaw-donny the bull adams? roy knocked him spark out and was in such a rage he picked him up under his arm (whilst he was dead weight) and done him again! beautiful
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
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Originally Posted by X
They were not boxers, or even professional fighters.
Neither would go past 4 rounds with a half decent pro.
Roy Shaw was a pro boxer,MW I think.
Also Mclean lost 4 or 5 fights that he misses out telling you in his book.
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Lenny Mclean was great in Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels!!
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
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Hmmmm...
A little different than pro boxing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDAmME-1JU
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yeh they fought three bouts the first you wont find footage of but lenny did and roy will openly tell you that there was three, roy won the first by stoppage because roy was beating len silly with alot of un answered punches but couldnt knock him down, the second fight lenny knocked roy silly and punched him through the ropes , and the third was a knockdown fest where lenny tore roy apart and knocked him down and out twice!!
did anyone every see roy shaw-donny the bull adams? roy knocked him spark out and was in such a rage he picked him up under his arm (whilst he was dead weight) and done him again! beautiful
ive got most of lennys fights off ebay so ive seen these fights,he was the first person frank warren ever promoted,but any half decent boxer he fought he got beat by,thats what frank warren said.he lost to cliff fields who was an ex-pro
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
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Originally Posted by X
They were not boxers, or even professional fighters.
Neither would go past 4 rounds with a half decent pro.
yes i know that thats why i said they where bare knuckle boxers, and if you must know roy shaw had 10 proffesional bouts winng them all with 6 kos, he actually beat ron stander who beat shavers
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
well said, in my opinion no other book comes close, i read it in 2 days couldnt put it down, even my old dear liked it. an absolute superb read
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Roy shaw was a 5' 8 Middleweight and Lenny mcClean was about 6'4 and 20 stone, I have read many accounts about both men and bottom line they were both awesome bare knuckle fighters, but McClean's claims never to have lost are wrong, he was knocked out by Kevin Paddock and I believe Cliff Fields.
Fact is you wouldn't have wanted to meet either in a bare knucle fight
Roy Shaw's nephew posts on this site btw ;)
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
McLean-Kimbo
How would it have gone prime for prime
and the winner vs John L. Sullivan
Personally I rate John L. as the best bareknuckler in history not only because he was the last but because the fucker drank whiskey between rounds
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McLean-Kimbo
How would it have gone prime for prime
and the winner vs John L. Sullivan
Personally I rate John L. as the best bareknuckler in history not only because he was the last but because the f***** drank whiskey between rounds
John L Sullivan was in a completely different league, but Kimbo wouldn't last 60 seconds with Lenny ;)
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Sullivan was one seriously tough mutha.
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Originally Posted by body head banger
yeh they fought three bouts the first you wont find footage of but lenny did and roy will openly tell you that there was three, roy won the first by stoppage because roy was beating len silly with alot of un answered punches but couldnt knock him down, the second fight lenny knocked roy silly and punched him through the ropes , and the third was a knockdown fest where lenny tore roy apart and knocked him down and out twice!!
did anyone every see roy shaw-donny the bull adams? roy knocked him spark out and was in such a rage he picked him up under his arm (whilst he was dead weight) and done him again! beautiful
ive got most of lennys fights off ebay so ive seen these fights,he was the first person frank warren ever promoted,but any half decent boxer he fought he got beat by,thats what frank warren said.he lost to cliff fields who was an ex-pro
yeh i got em too , its definately worth seeing them, just to say you have, but becuase they so old theyr terrible quality!!:P
and yeh roy beat ron stander, but stander had fought with broken ribs roy even admits it in pretty boy(the book) and had said that he might have lost to stander had he been fighting fit.
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i know but i dont like typong so couldnt be bothered to rite that, he says he hit stander with everything he has and i think he smiled at him, if it wasnt for the ribs he deffo would of lost
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Just been reading The Guv'nor today. I was given it ages ago but never had any real interest in it. On the fighting side of things Ive always thought of bare knuckle fighters or unlicensed fighters as quite sad figures.
Very colourfull character. Along the way I couldn't help but feel that it was being laid on a bit thick but it does make for a very good read. I will finish it tomorrow ;)
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
the had three fights in the ring,
the first which was not filmed or lost, was won by roy shaw by tko.
the second, lenny mclean ATE shaw,
the third mclean absolutley murdered the guy. i mean the ferocity was awe-inspiring.
mclean mentions all the fights in his book.
Shaw said in an interview in 2004, that he has always admitted that he had 3 fights with mclean in the ring, and that the reason why the third fight wasnt mentioned in his book was cos of some editing shit.
shaw said he challenged mclean to streetfights but lenny always said he was too old.
however mcleans wife said that, shaw is ridiculous to say that lenny backed away from a streetfight. she said he would have foought someone on the last week of his death....etc
everything there^^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
the had three fights in the ring,
the first which was not filmed or lost, was won by roy shaw by tko.
the second, lenny mclean ATE shaw,
the third mclean absolutley murdered the guy. i mean the ferocity was awe-inspiring.
mclean mentions all the fights in his book.
Shaw said in an interview in 2004, that he has always admitted that he had 3 fights with mclean in the ring, and that the reason why the third fight wasnt mentioned in his book was cos of some editing S***.
shaw said he challenged mclean to streetfights but lenny always said he was too old.
however mcleans wife said that, shaw is ridiculous to say that lenny backed away from a streetfight. she said he would have foought someone on the last week of his death....etc
everything there^^^^^^^
learn something new each day, i didnt know his wife had said that
roys account was that he had challenged len to another fight and len had said im too old now roy, but lenny was the same age as roy was when he started unliscenced fighting,
but as we all know lenny was not in good health and died young, never was as fit as roy was and as roy still is and roy is pretty damn old nowadays and still as big if not bigger then he was then.
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X
They were not boxers, or even professional fighters.
Neither would go past 4 rounds with a half decent pro.
gonna have to pull u up on that one m8 as roy shaw fought and beat ron stander and at the time ron was heavyweight contender so ur wrong there,and as for their fights,roy beat lenny the first time,actually its said he anihilated lenny and its still regarded as one of the bloodiest battles of all time,the 2nd lenny won,roy says this was down to ginseng he drunk prior to the bout,then lenny won the third but roy never documented this in his book,i should imagine its cos he got battered by someone who he deemed as ''just another fighter in a long list'' theres not much evidence of this 3rd fight but reliable sources say it did happen and the people who knew roy and worked with him all said he could of been a champion in boxing,and these are the likes of frank warren and joey pyle and their opinions are good enough for me.thx
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Tito BHB
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy
the had three fights in the ring,
the first which was not filmed or lost, was won by roy shaw by tko.
the second, lenny mclean ATE shaw,
the third mclean absolutley murdered the guy. i mean the ferocity was awe-inspiring.
mclean mentions all the fights in his book.
Shaw said in an interview in 2004, that he has always admitted that he had 3 fights with mclean in the ring, and that the reason why the third fight wasnt mentioned in his book was cos of some editing S***.
shaw said he challenged mclean to streetfights but lenny always said he was too old.
however mcleans wife said that, shaw is ridiculous to say that lenny backed away from a streetfight. she said he would have foought someone on the last week of his death....etc
everything there^^^^^^^
learn something new each day, i didnt know his wife had said that
roys account was that he had challenged len to another fight and len had said im too old now roy, but lenny was the same age as roy was when he started unliscenced fighting,
but as we all know lenny was not in good health and died young, never was as fit as roy was and as roy still is and roy is pretty damn old nowadays and still as big if not bigger then he was then.
true....even at 73 hes very fit and still got an immense right hook on him,born survivor!!
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Tito BHB
yeh they fought three bouts the first you wont find footage of but lenny did and roy will openly tell you that there was three, roy won the first by stoppage because roy was beating len silly with alot of un answered punches but couldnt knock him down, the second fight lenny knocked roy silly and punched him through the ropes , and the third was a knockdown fest where lenny tore roy apart and knocked him down and out twice!!
did anyone every see roy shaw-donny the bull adams? roy knocked him spark out and was in such a rage he picked him up under his arm (whilst he was dead weight) and done him again! beautiful
yeah that was great stamped on him too lol and had to be dragged off him lol,which is why it suprised me that donny went into roys changing room after to give him credit.....not bad lol
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Who would win out of Kimo Slice,Roy Shaw amd Lenny?
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yvonne
Who would win out of Kimo Slice,Roy Shaw amd Lenny?
In a street fight Roy or Lenny would ruin Kimbo imo
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BIG H
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yvonne
Who would win out of Kimo Slice,Roy Shaw amd Lenny?
In a street fight Roy or Lenny would ruin Kimbo imo
hmmm,it would be great to see the match up;D
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yvonne
Who would win out of Kimo Slice,Roy Shaw amd Lenny?
Lenny would batter Kimbo & I think just had a slight edge of Shaw, who was probably a harder man (given his size), but Lenny was just that much bigger. Kimbo would get fucked up by them man though
Although I would add a guy who came up round my area called Andrew 'Sparks' Wanogho. Probably the meanest guy I have ever seen, even though he was a Welter, I reckon he could've handled at least Kimbo. A truly horrible piece of work, but a guy who was knockin out big grown men with a punch when he was a teenager.
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I've read Shaw's book. He is clearly mentally ill.
Kimbo holds back when he hurts guys in those street fights, Lenny and especially the mentally ill Shaw are 100% sheer violence merchants that get turned on at the sight of a beaten, wounded opponent.. so the loons would win.
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Fenster
I've read Shaw's book. He is clearly mentally ill.
Kimbo holds back when he hurts guys in those street fights, Lenny and especially the mentally ill Shaw are 100% sheer violence merchants, and get turned on at the sight of a beaten, wounded opponent.. so the loons would win.
EVER READ SHAWS BOOK YET BUT I READ LENNYS A FEW YEARS AGO,AND IT WAS GREAT TO READ.HE WAS AS RAW AND HARD AS THEY COME LENNY!!
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
Well, to be honest, i'm not really impressed by crazy violent lunatics bragging about bashing people up.
Ive known some seriously violent people in the real world and now hate that lifestyle.
Shaw's book was complete shit. To me he's either mentally ill or thick as shit and certainly not someone i would want to be around. I read it in two sittings whilst working behind a bar.
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Fenster
Well, to be honest, i'm not really impressed by crazy violent lunatics bragging about bashing people up.
Ive known some seriously violent people in the real world and now hate that lifestyle.
Shaw's book was complete shit. To me he's either mentally ill or thick as shit and certainly not someone i would want to be around. I read it in two sittings whilst working behind a bar.
Agree completely, I've grown up around people like this & in the most part they are nasty pieces of work.
The guy I mentioned in the previous post was virtually no different to Lenny McLean, but because of a romanticization of 60s mobsters, McLean is seen as a 'hard bastard, real sound top fella', whilst Sparks is seen (rightly) as a one man crimewave & vicious killer. Not all criminals & fighters are like that, but McLean (& I have to admit I enjoyed his book) was a bully who knew it. He was not one of these guys standing up for the little guy & the picked upon. Fact.
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warreng
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well said, in my opinion no other book comes close, i read it in 2 days couldnt put it down, even my old dear liked it. an absolute superb read
i have read the lenny book 3 times & would recommend to anyone, loved the fight he had in new york after beating the mafia's best guy they arranged to meet up with the mob for a drink, then sodded off back to london cos they thought they might kill em ha ha
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wasnt keen on the roy shaw book to be honnest no where near as good as lennys book, i think they fought 3 times? lenny won 2 & roy 1? roy said he lost one of the fights cos he ate too many jelly babies:confused: before the fight! Lenny could beat anyone in a bare knuckle fight bet he was the best in the world at his best
http://www.lennymcleandvd.co.uk/images/mclean2.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA280_.jpg
LEGEND!
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There Was Gonna Be A Film On His Life With The Guy Outta Londons Burning In It! But Fell Thru, Lenny Went To America & They Wanted Him In A Stallone Movie But He Wasnt Interested He Just Wanted Funding For The Lenny Movie
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Re: Lenny Mclean v Roy Shaw, who actually won there fights?
mclean won the first. shaw won the second. no doubt....
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This thread has had 34000 views! WTF?!
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2006 thread i think lol
One of those Mclean v Shaw fights is brutal. Shaw gets a proper bearing and the only thing keeping him up is Mcleans repeated uppercuts :-)