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Just watched the Holyfield fight........
I actually thought he looked pretty good. I know it only went two rounds but he was throwing combinations, his punches were accurate, he was relatively light on his feet.
I know Bates was hardly a test but Evander looked as good as it was possible to look in the circumstances.
What really suprised me though was his post fight conversation, he really wasn't slurring and didn't sound nearly as punchy as I was expecting.
Lets be honest, James Toney looks and sounds far worse than Evander!
I'm rooting for him now, big George proved that miracles do sometimes happen and if anyone can achieve the impossible it's Evander Holyfield.
I would say a collision course with Valuev or Maskaev, maybe Barrett if he beats Valuev is now a likely possibility.
Whether he can go to the well and fight a long hard fight remains to be seen but I think he's justified his desire to carry on.
I'd rate his chance at becoming world champ at around 40%
But if I find some decent odds for it I may lay a wager on it.
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Maskaev Holyfield...battle of the old guys.
I like it. NOT! ;D
You gotdamn right I just used the ever so faithful NOT!!! ;D
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You are right, Bilbo...he did look very fleet of foot and he was indeed throwing punches in bunches...
You can only look as good as you can in each given fight and in this he did look sharp...
But he was in with a journeyman with a serious issue with creating an offence because of a very limited reach....
The big guys in the division, with the exception of Toney, are taller rangier men than Bates and will cause problems with their attacking arsenal....
He did look good but lets not get ahead of ourselves....It was only 5 minutes of boxing....
Did Tyson tell us a lot by beating McNeely? I dont think so....
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Originally Posted by miles
You are right, Bilbo...he did look very fleet of foot and he was indeed throwing punches in bunches...
You can only look as good as you can in each given fight and in this he did look sharp...
But he was in with a journeyman with a serious issue with creating an offence because of a very limited reach....
The big guys in the division, with the exception of Toney, are taller rangier men than Bates and will cause problems with their attacking arsenal....
He did look good but lets not get ahead of ourselves....It was only 5 minutes of boxing....
Did Tyson tell us a lot by beating McNeely? I dont think so....
Well he did go on to regain the heavyweight title after beating him so I kind of think this was dumb post :dummespost:
:P ;D
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
You are right, Bilbo...he did look very fleet of foot and he was indeed throwing punches in bunches...
You can only look as good as you can in each given fight and in this he did look sharp...
But he was in with a journeyman with a serious issue with creating an offence because of a very limited reach....
The big guys in the division, with the exception of Toney, are taller rangier men than Bates and will cause problems with their attacking arsenal....
He did look good but lets not get ahead of ourselves....It was only 5 minutes of boxing....
Did Tyson tell us a lot by beating McNeely? I dont think so....
Well he did go on to regain the heavyweight title after beating him so I kind of think this was dumb post :dummespost:
:P ;D
Cheeky sod!!! ;D
What I was trying to say is that most of the big names can look good against a journeyman....once Tyson himself got in with the "real deal" though, he wasnt looking so sharp after all....
Pesky hobbit!!!Im beginning to see that Sauron's point of view! >:mad ;D
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
You are right, Bilbo...he did look very fleet of foot and he was indeed throwing punches in bunches...
You can only look as good as you can in each given fight and in this he did look sharp...
But he was in with a journeyman with a serious issue with creating an offence because of a very limited reach....
The big guys in the division, with the exception of Toney, are taller rangier men than Bates and will cause problems with their attacking arsenal....
He did look good but lets not get ahead of ourselves....It was only 5 minutes of boxing....
Did Tyson tell us a lot by beating McNeely? I dont think so....
Well he did go on to regain the heavyweight title after beating him so I kind of think this was dumb post :dummespost:
:P ;D
Cheeky sod!!! ;D
What I was trying to say is that most of the big names can look good against a journeyman....once Tyson himself got in with the "real deal" though, he wasnt looking so sharp himself....
Pesky hobbit!!! >:mad ;D
Yes Miles but apart from Wlad all of the current champions are journeymen. I still think Evander can outbox Valuev, maybe even outslug Maskaev and Lyakovhic.
Wladimir would probably punish him badly though, but against the others even at 44 years old he's got to have a chance.
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He did look really good last night, and if he can sustain that kind of style and movement over 12 rounds then, yes, he has a shot....but its a big IF....can he really keep in that rhythm round after round and keep the output high enough? He will certainly take punishment and that can take anybody out of their gameplan....
Maybe he can do it and I would love him to fulfill this final heavyweight quest...I was really happy seeing him look so confident, but then again we've not seen him in against this low quality of opposition in a long, long time....
I hope he gets back in the ring in a matter of weeks instead of months and tries to build up momentum...if he can rack up a few more wins, then maybe he can try and step it up one final time...but dont go expecting any miracles. Foreman, always had exceptional power to fall back on. Holyfield has never been a big heavyweight.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I actually thought he looked pretty good. I know it only went two rounds but he was throwing combinations, his punches were accurate, he was relatively light on his feet.
I know Bates was hardly a test but Evander looked as good as it was possible to look in the circumstances.
What really suprised me though was his post fight conversation, he really wasn't slurring and didn't sound nearly as punchy as I was expecting.
Lets be honest, James Toney looks and sounds far worse than Evander!
I'm rooting for him now, big George proved that miracles do sometimes happen and if anyone can achieve the impossible it's Evander Holyfield.
I would say a collision course with Valuev or Maskaev, maybe Barrett if he beats Valuev is now a likely possibility.
Whether he can go to the well and fight a long hard fight remains to be seen but I think he's justified his desire to carry on.
I'd rate his chance at becoming world champ at around 40%
But if I find some decent odds for it I may lay a wager on it.
Don't encourge him. If you really think he has a chance. Than go watch his fight against the mediocre Larry Donald. Than you'll see what would happen against a live body. Bates was just that bad
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Don't encourge him. If you really think he has a chance. Than go watch his fight against the mediocre Larry Donald. Than you'll see what would happen against a live body. Bates was just that bad
Agreed...or just rewatch the JFAT Holyfield fight.
Answers all questions right there.
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I'm not happy with his performace at all. Bates was overwhelmed and confused but I don't think he was ever in serious danger. There was a point in round 2 when Bates caught Evander with a good shot and backed him up.
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I agree. Bates was so completely overmatched that he had no idea how to defend against combinations or get off the ropes, however after it all he was not hurt and Bates was able to hurt Holyfield with a punch in the first round. I realize the division is in a bad state at present, however, permitting Evander Holyfield to continue to fight I fear will ultimately border on the criminal. He could get hurt for the final time.
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I don't really see the problem. It's Evanders choice he knows the risks and to be honest from his point of view he would probably rather die doing what he loves than anything else.
Remember Holyfield has a different mindset to what most of us can even imagine. He's chasing history and a legacy that will endure, in that sense he's almost like the great warriors of old Achilles, Spartacus or Gaius Marius.
He knows the risks but doesn't worry about them becuase boxing is in his blood, it is his life.
It was once considered an honour to die in battle, and although we certainly don't feel like that today I think that is pretty much Holyfields mindset.
He's a born warrior, probably would have been a Gladiator if born thousands of years ago.
To deprive him from doing what he was born to do would be just as cruel as anything that could happen to him in the ring in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Harry
I agree. Bates was so completely overmatched that he had no idea how to defend against combinations or get off the ropes, however after it all he was not hurt and Bates was able to hurt Holyfield with a punch in the first round. I realize the division is in a bad state at present, however, permitting Evander Holyfield to continue to fight I fear will ultimately border on the criminal. He could get hurt for the final time.
Agreed.
Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I don't really see the problem. It's Evanders choice he knows the risks and to be honest from his point of view he would probably rather die doing what he loves than anything else.
Remember Holyfield has a different mindset to what most of us can even imagine. He's chasing history and a legacy that will endure, in that sense he's almost like the great warriors of old Achilles, Spartacus or Gaius Marius.
He knows the risks but doesn't worry about them becuase boxing is in his blood, it is his life.
It was once considered an honour to die in battle, and although we certainly don't feel like that today I think that is pretty much Holyfields mindset.
He's a born warrior, probably would have been a Gladiator if born thousands of years ago.
To deprive him from doing what he was born to do would be just as cruel as anything that could happen to him in the ring in my opinion.
The great warriors of old Achilles, Spartacus or Gaius Marius didn't have the media of today to dog them around in a glorified witch hunt like law suit or congressmen hungry to ban their favorite sport either.
Holyfield or a Mesi like subject dies in the ring...one that has had warning after warning & ban after ban...the media would be on that like white on rice & so would glorious congressmen.
Holy's good for the fans...but bad for the sport in the end.
I honestly don't want to see some old man bloodied or beaten to death in the ring.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Maskaev Holyfield...battle of the old guys.
I like it. NOT! ;D
You gotdamn right I just used the ever so faithful NOT!!! ;D
That shows you are onle of the old guys.....Yep...I only say that because I hate being old alone........My wife will not tell me how she has remained 29 for 5 yrs running....Stingy broad
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Bilbo you're a sicko mate ;D
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Bilbo you're a sicko mate ;D
Ah come on he's an adventurer Fenster!
Nobody says that Captain Oates shouldnt have gone to the South Pole, or that Ayrton Senna shouldn't have been racing.
Evander knows the risks, he's passed the medicals, let him fight!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Maskaev Holyfield...battle of the old guys.
I like it. NOT! ;D
You gotdamn right I just used the ever so faithful NOT!!! ;D
That shows you are onle of the old guys.....Yep...I only say that because I hate being old alone........My wife will not tell me how she has remained 29 for 5 yrs running....Stingy broad
;D Heh heh heh.
:coolclick: I got me a young bird too...or younger than my old ass. ;D
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It doesn't seem to me to be about the level of risk Evander Holyfield is willing to take or whether he can pass a physical in Georgia. It seems to me that what is a risk, aside from Holyfield's health, is any chance to restore the division to the level of a sport. When extreme mismatches are passed off as legitimate boxing contests the diginity of the sport suffers as it ultimately becomes either a carnival or a mugging, or both.
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Just watched it...
fast combinations looked good over 2 rounds against Bates.
but was wide open to the right hand and dont think he has the reflexes of old to escape from a better fighter.... ((could just be ring rust :-\))
i wish Holyfield well but if im honest my craving for a heavyweight star can wait... hes done his time IMO and see hes future last hurry panning out like a...
Ali - Holmes
or
Marciano - Louis
if he carries on :(
and what the hell was all that itroducing them to a million fighters before the fight... didnt like that at all :-\
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Originally Posted by Harry
It doesn't seem to me to be about the level of risk Evander Holyfield is willing to take or whether he can pass a physical in Georgia. It seems to me that what is a risk, aside from Holyfield's health, is any chance to restore the division to the level of a sport. When extreme mismatches are passed off as legitimate boxing contests the diginity of the sport suffers as it ultimately becomes either a carnival or a mugging, or both.
On point. Well said...again.
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Just watched it...
fast combinations looked good over 2 rounds against Bates.
but was wide open to the right hand and dont think he has the reflexes of old to escape from a better fighter.... ((could just be ring rust :-\))
i wish Holyfield well but if im honest my craving for a heavyweight star can wait... hes done his time IMO and see hes future last hurry panning out like a...
Ali - Holmes
or
Marciano - Louis
if he carries on :(
and what the hell was all that itroducing them to a million fighters before the fight... didnt like that at all :-\
Agreed. Good points bwoss.
I hate to see the man suffer a humiliating beat down. Honestly, I just wanted him to either lose a close one or draw with this guy...maybe that woulda closed the door on him.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Bilbo you're a sicko mate ;D
Ah come on he's an adventurer Fenster!
Nobody says that Captain Oates shouldnt have gone to the South Pole, or that Ayrton Senna shouldn't have been racing.
Evander knows the risks, he's passed the medicals, let him fight!
Yeah but they weren't getting punched in the mush
I dont wanna see anyone die or get seriously hurt in the ring let alone a great fighter like Holyfield. Looking good duffing up an insurance salesman doesn't mean shit. Audley would of looked great against him.
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Just watched it...
fast combinations looked good over 2 rounds against Bates.
Saddo
50 pts for you!
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why thank you...
the main reason i liked this fight is because it was my joker pick and it gives me 50 point in the prediction contest for getting it spot on ;D
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Originally Posted by Saddo
why thank you...
the main reason i liked this fight is because it was my joker pick and it gives me 50 point in the prediction contest for getting it spot on ;D
Me too you lucky git ;D
Well done to that ref for stopping it with 4 seconds left. 8)
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Originally Posted by Saddo
why thank you...
the main reason i liked this fight is because it was my joker pick and it gives me 50 point in the prediction contest for getting it spot on ;D
Me too you lucky git ;D
Well done to that ref for stopping it with 4 seconds left. 8)
Maybe the ref had it for Holyfield in second too! In fact I think a lot of the poor judging decisions in recent weeks have been due to them being participants in the prediction contest! :detective:
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must be...
That Team Hatton t-shirt is pretty popular ;D
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Saddo
why thank you...
the main reason i liked this fight is because it was my joker pick and it gives me 50 point in the prediction contest for getting it spot on ;D
Me too you lucky git ;D
Well done to that ref for stopping it with 4 seconds left. 8)
:highfive:
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It was fun to watch Evander Tool on this Insurance salesman....Evander chalked one up for everyone who ever got screwed on there insurance premium....
We wont kid ourselves into thinking he is ready to Unify but Shit as long as he is hanging with the comp they put him in with I will cheer him on
Stature wise he looked like a 21 yr old kid...He definetly at 43 stays consistent with the Holyfield plan after 20 yrs he has constanly come to a fight in shape and subperb condition.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
It was fun to watch Evander Tool on this Insurance salesman....Evander chalked one up for everyone who ever got screwed on there insurance premium....
Stature wise he looked like a 21 yr old kid...
Man but he's one ugly fucking kid though isn't he?
His huge head, he looks like that guy out of Fantastic Four!
But having said that I absolutely love the guy and am 100% behind him. I love a fairy tale and the fact that nobody believes in him will make it all the more sweet when he does reach his goal. I can't see him unifying the titles but he's definitely got as good a shot as anyone else out there of at least winning one belt, as long as the belt he chases does not belong to Wladimir Klitschko