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Cotto Vs Urkal ...for hatton's vacant WBA Welter belt
Top Rank promoter Bob Arum and Showtime are sorting though possible opponents for junior welterweight titlist Miguel Cotto and welterweight belt holder Antonio Margarito to face in their Dec. 2 doubleheader in Atlantic City, N.J.
Margarito, who will open the telecast, probably will face Joshua Clottey, Arum told ESPN.com. That's the easy part. Clottey was in Las Vegas for last week's Rahman-Maskaev heavyweight title fight and to meet with Arum, who said they are close to a deal.
Cotto's situation is a little more unclear. However, the Puerto Rican star is moving up to welterweight and it is possible that his debut at the weight could be a for a world title.
Should title holder Ricky Hatton drop back down to junior welterweight to challenge Juan Urango for his old belt -- Hatton's most likely move -- Hatton would vacate the 147-pound belt he won in May rather than face mandatory challenger Oktay Urkal of Germany.
Arum said Cotto could wind up facing Urkal for the vacant belt on the Showtime card. It would be contingent upon Carlos Quintana stepping aside to allow the fight.
Quintana's June 24 victory over Joel "Love Child" Julio put him in position to either challenge the winner of a Hatton-Urkal bout or to challenge for the vacant belt.
Ron Katz of Northeast Promotions, which promotes Quintana, said they are open to making a deal with Top Rank.
"We've been entertaining offers from different promoters, Top Rank included, about the possibility of making some sort of deal with regard to Quintana," Katz said. "If it was with Top Rank, we would have to figure out a short term plan for Quintana that would allow Cotto to fight Urkal for the vacant title. Anything is possible. We're open to the idea, but it depends on the nature of the deal."
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Re: Cotto Vs Urkal ...for hatton's vacant WBA Welter belt
Whats left now for Hatton at 140???
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Whats left now for Hatton at 140???
The winner of Witter Corley ofcourse.
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Whats left now for Hatton at 140???
The winner of Witter Corley ofcourse.
What a prize, that big domestic showdown with Witter! Hatton breaks America! Yeah right ::**
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After Hatton bets Urango he will fight JLC and then after that,I have no idea. Unify?
CC for the news City of G,looking forward to the fights,especially Tony's with the dangerous Clottey.
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Re: Cotto Vs Urkal ...for hatton's vacant WBA Welter belt
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
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Looks like Cotto and Hatton may never meet. Cotto's gradually moving into 147 territory. Hatton tasted it and decided it was much safer down at 140.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
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Re: Cotto Vs Urkal ...for hatton's vacant WBA Welter belt
Since it will be Cotto's first fight at 147 they will find the easiest opponent they can get away with. They want Cotto with a belt as soon as possible. I like Cotto a lot but his handlers arent going to match him to tough.
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Well I guess they really want to ease him into the weight
Urkal's had a solid career but he's old, pretty slow, not a big welter, with very very little power. I can't see him outboxing Cotto by any means and it would be pretty shocking to see him hurt him.
Very easy title pickup, but I'm glad Cotto's moving up and hopefully his second fight at 147 will be an intriguing one.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
I'm not going to argue that Urkal hasn't had the better career, of course he has, but at least Urango has a puncher's chance, I can't envision anyway that Urkal wins.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
What title has Urkal defended? He's never been champion, before.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
What title has Urkal defended? He's never been champion, before.
European EBU title babe.
Won it, defended it, if I am not mistaken...he still has it...either that or he vacated it for a defense against someone...I can't remember who.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
What title has Urkal defended? He's never been champion, before.
European EBU title babe.
Won it, defended it, if I am not mistaken...he still has it...either that or he vacated it for a defense against someone...I can't remember who.
Also...just checked boxrec to be sure...at Light Welter he was also a belt holder & he had & defended the WBC International Light Welterweight title on top of defending the European (EBU) Light Welterweight Title.
Currently...they show that he is titleless stateside in the U.S.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
What title has Urkal defended? He's never been champion, before.
European EBU title babe.
Won it, defended it, if I am not mistaken...he still has it...either that or he vacated it for a defense against someone...I can't remember who.
Also...just checked boxrec to be sure...at Light Welter he was also a belt holder & he had & defended the WBC International Light Welterweight title on top of defending the European (EBU) Light Welterweight Title.
Currently...they show that he is titleless stateside in the U.S.
Take it from me, EBU titles mean NOTHING. They give them to whoever they like, and take them back just as quick in the form of dodgy matchmaking, rankings, jugding and refereeing, it may as well be one of those belts you get from toys r' us.
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Take it from me, EBU titles mean NOTHING. They give them to whoever they like, and take them back just as quick in the form of dodgy matchmaking, rankings, jugding and refereeing, it may as well be one of those belts you get from toys r' us.
Okay then...we'll do.
We'll rule that out. So when he TKO'd Craig Houk in 3 rounds for the WBC International Light Welterweight Title & then defended it 15 times until losing to Kostya over 12 rounds...well...that speaks enough right?
No matter how Wack they are at times...Boxrec can be a good tool on previous accomplishments. ::**
The guy's a worthy fighter...even if he did lose to two up & coming champions.
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Cotto is doing the smart thing,fighting a decent fighter to get used to the weight and then settling in. It's smart,I expected nothing less. I prefer it to Hatton's strategy of jumping in at the deep end straight away,een though he won,it backfired. I expect Cotto's following assignment at 147 to be tougher for sure.
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Sorry folks...had to correct myself there... ;D
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine. ::**
I'm not going to argue that Urkal hasn't had the better career, of course he has, but at least Urango has a puncher's chance, I can't envision anyway that Urkal wins.
Thats the problem. From a fans point of view Urkal was a crap fight for Hatton and he's a crap fight for Cotto cause theres no way of seeing him winning.
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The difference Fenster bro is that whereas Hatton kept going on about securing his legacy with the big fights etc and then contemplated fighting Urkal,thats what made it bad for him whereas Cotto is younger,he's moving up and can bide his time.I#m not saying it is a great fight by any means but I don't think it is as bad for Miguel as it is for Ricky. I think that makes sense?
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The difference Fenster bro is that whereas Hatton kept going on about securing his legacy with the big fights etc and then contemplated fighting Urkal,thats what made it bad for him whereas Cotto is younger,he's moving up and can bide his time.I#m not saying it is a great fight by any means but I don't think it is as bad for Miguel as it is for Ricky. I think that makes sense?
Yes it does make sense. But thats why I said from a fans perspective. Its not a 50/50 fight and we could end up with Hatton fighting Urango and Cotto fighting Urkal when I'm sure we would all love to see Hatton fighting Cotto. ;)
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I also think the Urkal fight is more intriguing from a Cotto perspective because we want to see how he fares at the new weight(can he handle it,is his power there etc) whereas with Ricky,we wanted him to give Collazo a rematch and fighting Urakl would have been a step back.
I totally agree where you are coming from on the Hatton-Cotto front,I cannot speak for Hatton but Cotto has said he would certainly fight him if the fight could be made.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Take it from me, EBU titles mean NOTHING. They give them to whoever they like, and take them back just as quick in the form of dodgy matchmaking, rankings, jugding and refereeing, it may as well be one of those belts you get from toys r' us.
Utter bollocks. Saying nothing about how difficult the EBU title can be to hold on to it gets the holder a very healthy ranking with the WBC.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Take it from me, EBU titles mean NOTHING. They give them to whoever they like, and take them back just as quick in the form of dodgy matchmaking, rankings, jugding and refereeing, it may as well be one of those belts you get from toys r' us.
Utter bollocks. Saying nothing about how difficult the EBU title can be to hold on to it gets the holder a very healthy ranking with the WBC.
Thank you!!! :coolclick:
It's easy to say that a title means nothing to the world & the fighter wearing it when your'e not the one that fought for it & earned it.
Not just you Dan...anyone. IWO, every title means something to somebody somewhere down the line. Especially the fighter that defends/wears it.
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ITS THE ONLY WAY THESE WUD OF GOT HOLD OF THE BELT :)
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto-Urkal is just as bad of a fight as Hatton-Urango.
Puh-leeze!
Atleast Urkal has fought a live body or two on his way up & he's defended his title a few times to boot.
Urango was gifted his title & he hasn't fought a live body other than Ben Rabah & we all saw that bullshit robbery.
It's nowhere near as bad. Cotto's fighting something other than a hype machine.  ::**
What title has Urkal defended?  He's never been champion, before.
European EBU title babe.
Won it, defended it, if I am not mistaken...he still has it...either that or he vacated it for a defense against someone...I can't remember who.
Also...just checked boxrec to be sure...at Light Welter he was also a belt holder & he had & defended the WBC International Light Welterweight title on top of defending the European (EBU) Light Welterweight Title.
Currently...they show that he is titleless stateside in the U.S.
Those ain't titles you brag about.  EBU?  Damn, and I taught the WBO was bottom of the barrel.
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I thought the EBU was the European version of the NABA, NABO, etc. Just a prelim belt that helped a fighter get a better ranking.
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Cotto is doing the smart thing,fighting a decent fighter to get used to the weight and then settling in. It's smart,I expected nothing less. I prefer it to Hatton's strategy of jumping in at the deep end straight away,een though he won,it backfired. I expect Cotto's following assignment at 147 to be tougher for sure.
Spot on - Hatton's team screwed his foray into 147.
They had him tooo heavy (lost his zap and movement) against a southpaw (he struggles badly against southies) and abroad at 4am (UK time).
That was a perfect example of an amatuer team almost scrambling Hatton's dreams by mixing all the wrong ingredients into his debut.
The worst thing is, Ricky could hang at 147 - but this put him right off.
At least Cotto is being matched well (if not excitingly :( )
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Take it from me, EBU titles mean NOTHING. They give them to whoever they like, and take them back just as quick in the form of dodgy matchmaking, rankings, jugding and refereeing, it may as well be one of those belts you get from toys r' us.
Utter bollocks. Saying nothing about how difficult the EBU title can be to hold on to it gets the holder a very healthy ranking with the WBC.
Thank you!!! :coolclick:
It's easy to say that a title means nothing to the world & the fighter wearing it when your'e not the one that fought for it & earned it.
Not just you Dan...anyone. IWO, every title means something to somebody somewhere down the line. Especially the fighter that defends/wears it.
You are right of course, I'm sure Audley Harrison cherishes his WBU Heavyweight World Title belt :-X
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Why is Cotto fighting this bum?
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Come on john,it's the smart thing to do,it's called good management. Miguel will take this fight and get acclimtaised to 147,the way Hatton should have done. This way is better rather than jump into the deepend,win a dodgy decision and then move back down. Hatton should have played it safe too and then when he was used to the weight,fight Collazo.
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Come on john,it's the smart thing to do,it's called good management. Miguel will take this fight and get acclimtaised to 147,the way Hatton should have done. This way is better rather than jump into the deepend,win a dodgy decision and then move back down. Hatton should have played it safe too and then when he was used to the weight,fight Collazo.
CC exactly.
Now we're all screwed cos none of us is going to see Cotto V Hatton.
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Come on john,it's the smart thing to do,it's called good management. Miguel will take this fight and get acclimtaised to 147,the way Hatton should have done. This way is better rather than jump into the deepend,win a dodgy decision and then move back down. Hatton should have played it safe too and then when he was used to the weight,fight Collazo.
Come on Tickle, he could fight someone better then Urkal, and he should at least fight a natural 147 pounder, Urkal been fightign at 140 for years. Last I saw him he was givign Tszyu a tough fight, and last I heard of him he was knocked out by Harris.
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CC bcak COFG,and Michael,I know it's not a great fight but like I said,it's more for Cotto's benefit,to fight a soft opponent,see if his power has carries up,punch resistance etc Smart move in my book.
MY MOUSE IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY,ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX IT?>?
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CC bcak COFG,and Michael,I know it's not a great fight but like I said,it's more for Cotto's benefit,to fight a soft opponent,see if his power has carries up,punch resistance etc Smart move in my book.
shouldn't he fight a natural welterweight though? And if it's a laser mouse then unplug it and put it back in. If it's a ball mouse then take teh ball out of the mouse and rub it around and clean it off.. NOT WITH WATER!!! then put it back in. It should work then.
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CC Maj,how long should I clean it for though bro? It's bloody messed up!! Hmm,I see where you are coming from,but which WW's are there to fight who would not be too dangerous a fight? Also,I think the appeal with the Urkal fight is the title too and who knows,Cotto may have to face Quintana or Collazo for it as both are contender's arent they>? I heard they are fighting each other too,should be a cracker !
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CC Maj,how long should I clean it for though bro? It's bloody messed up!! Hmm,I see where you are coming from,but which WW's are there to fight who would not be too dangerous a fight? Also,I think the appeal with the Urkal fight is the title too and who knows,Cotto may have to face Quintana or Collazo for it as both are contender's arent they>? I heard they are fighting each other too,should be a cracker !
If Quintana and Collazo fight I think Collazo is going to win. Quintana looks open to the body, he moves his head well but I never saw Julio take it to his ribs. That may be a weakness
