anyone got any links for these to download? please ;D ;D ;D
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anyone got any links for these to download? please ;D ;D ;D
i have a vid of
tito ortiz vs. vanderlei silva
the guy thats fighting chuck liddel
someone must have this fight man. :o
word is that the Chuck vs Wanderlei has been cancelled. UFC and Pride couldn't come to an agreement. Not sure of the specifics.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1magine
COOL..! Anyone has the link for that???
Try youtube and type tito ortiz ken shamrock in and it might come up
yeah just go to youtube and type it in. They are fightign a third time too ::** I guess they will keep fighting until Ken wins ::**
It's just a money maker for the UFC. Dana White has very few big money fighters, plus there are only a few guys in each division that can challenge for the title. So he has to keep pitting certain guys against each other. If white was smart he'd have tito take a dive once in a while to keep the war going. Hell, they may as well have a tito-shamrock best of 7 and work it so it does go to 7. then let them slug it out for real.
Looks like they make their money have their new champions fight old champions and make it seem like a challenge, for Matt Hughes next fight for example
Heard PJ won the first two rounds and then got beat in the endQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
BJ beat the stuffing out of Matt for two rounds, then messed up his rib taking Hughes back at the end of the second. Came out in the third and was pretty much unable to protect himself at all, and lost by TKO ref stoppage due to strikes.
They should have a third fight then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
They definately will, especially because this one was so controversial (with BJs possible rib problem) added to the fact that they're now 1-1 (Rubber Match time..woo).
However, Penn is 0-2 in the UFC since his return, so expect him to fight Diego sometime soon for number one contender (Right after Hughes v GSP if Hughes wins, or after Hughes' rematch if GSP wins...plus the winner of The Ultimate Fighter 4 will get a title shot against Matt/GSP).
So long story short, he'll definately get one, but he'll have to beat Diego or GSP first if Hughes wins, or he'll fight Hughes for the rubbermatch if he loses both the title defense AND his rematch vs GSP.
I was pissed. Because I hate Matt Hughes so much. I hate him! Well not "him" I hate his, I don't know, there's just something about him I don't like.
It's probably the fact that he's an arrogant dickhead that comes off as a "good ole countryboy" everybody. At a glance, he seems like just another guy, and really nice and friendly and everything. But he really is quite the dickhead. That's why I hate him so much
I hate Matts attitude, but this BJ Penn bandwagon bullshit is out of control.
And the whole rib thing makes me even more pissed. If your in a fight, and you get hurt then thats part of losing. Part of this whole thing is about durability. BJ didn't come in with this injury......this is damage he took in the fight so why the fuck is everyone using this as an excuse for BJ?
As far as Ken and Tito goes.........well you're 42 and you're not Randy Couture...what do you expect Ken??
You made your mark and your place in UFC history will be secured forever...you probably would have handed Tito his ass 12 years ago but it's time.
Pulling/Straining a rib IS an excuse for why he lost. Doesn't take away from Matts win, because a win is a win is a win, but it doesn't make Matt a better fighter, but BJ a worse. Matts performace was terrible until BJ hurt himself, and then he took EXCELLENT advantage of it.
My point is that being a fighter requires that you have durability. Everyone is making it sound like it had nothing to do with fighing Matt. I think it's fair to say that Matt seperated his ribs just by being too strong for BJ. I will totally admit that it really didn't look good for Matt in the outset BUT
Since when is being fragile in a fight an excuse?
Depends on if Matt caused the injury and took advantage of it. But nobody gives Byrd the credit for beating Vitali now do they ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
BJ got his ass beat. sorry ::** ::** ::** ::** ::** ::** :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Watching the fight and taking BJs word for it, he injured himself taking Matt's back. As you watch, you can see that he really bends himself very awkwardly taking his back, so it seems like a legit pull to me, and one caused by himself moreso than Matt. Like I said...I still give him credit for surviving the first two rounds (albeit barely in the second round ;) ) and being able to capitalize on BJs injury. BJ injured could probably still wipe out the majority of the UFC WW division.
I don't know man........we'll see how eager BJ is for that rematch.
Check Heavy D's post ;) The injury was legit and one that BJ caused on himself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
Yeah...to paraphrase, he basically seperated one of his ribs from his sternum and tore the connecting tissue (ligaments i think in this case, or are they tendons?) or something to that effect. It's considered a fracture even though technically no bone has been broken. It was caused by the strain from bending at that angle I mentioned when taking his back.
So like I said, I still give Hughes credit for taking advantage of the injury, just not for causing it. And kudos to Penn for sticking through the injury and STILL almost winning the fight.
Shamrock vs. Otriz I Bad Blood
Shamrock vs. Ortiz II Rivals
Shamrock vs. Ortix III Total Redundancy
Like I said....lets just see how eager BJ is to step back in the ring with Hughes.
BJ did it by himself?? WTF?? no, he did it fighting an opponent. He wasn't surfing, or playing raquetball, or video games or whathaveyou...he was in the middle of a struggle with another opponent and he broke!
Plain and simple. His body failed under pressure while fighting someone else....simple concept to me.
Now If you were one of the fans who did want to see BJ win, then the news about the seperated rib was an early christmas present because it gives you an excuse for the ugly nature in which that fight was finished by Hughes. Lets' be realistic here, there were punches and bodies clashing in the ring. Why didn't Hughes seperate a rib???
Why didn't he tap out after that traingle attempt at the of round 2??
Why didn't he go down after getting popped on the chin by BJ for the first round???
The answer lies in durability friends....these guys are FIGHTERS, and not boxers but MIXED MARTIAL ARTS FIGHTERS....there is grappling and durability is a prerequisite.
Dude got his ass kicked. He was getting popped in the head over and over and over.......until it was stopped. Thats it. Simple.
If by "dude" you mean "Matt Hughes" then absolutely. Why can't you face the fact that Matt Hughes looked like a red headed stepchild after thirsty thursday? BJ Penn absolutely dominated Hughes for two rounds. He outstruck the hell out of him, made a complete mockery of his takedown attempts, and damned near submitted him. It wasn't until his OWN actions caused him to injure himself that Matt was able to do anything (and not even then...he needed the round to end to turn his luck around).
After Hughes was injured, Hughes STILL couldn't knock him out, despite the fact that he was a friggin punching bag. He was flat footed with his hands down and essentially LETTING Hughes tee off on him. When he had Penn down in the crucifix-esque mount, he STILL couldn't finish the fight....he just "pummeled" him with weak shots until the ref called the fight....BJ most likely could have survived another three or so minutes of that and come out for another round.
Hughes put on a terrible performance, and only won because of a freak injury. His body DID fail under pressure, but that has nothing to do with "durability." That's like calling someone weak for rolling their ankle and it hurting. It's just a freak accident that happens and hurts. And if BJs durability shows anywhere, its the fact that he STILL almost managed to submit Hughes after being injured, and STILL came into the ring for the third round with the injury, and Hughes STILL couldn't knock him out standing and STILL couldn't submit him on the ground. His shots were NOT hurting Penn in any serious way. Penn should have been out cold or tapping at the end of that fight, not ref stoppage. Hughes had NO reason not to conclusively finish that fight against an injured opponent.
So by your reasoning, this fight shows that both fighters were durable and both were unable to finish the fight, making them both great fighters and terrible at the same time.