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Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Solong as he can make the welterweight weight limit, he will never lose. He is the future of the division. Of course with time he will have to move up, and then he will lose, but as long as he can stay a welter weight, he will be undefeated.
I just wanted to get that on the record.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Solong as he can make the welterweight weight limit, he will never lose. He is the future of the division. Of course with time he will have to move up, and then he will lose, but as long as he can stay a welter weight, he will be undefeated.
I just wanted to get that on the record.
CC for the bravery. Still have to see the Mitchell fight but I am a fan of the guy, just the leaky defense bothers me.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Williams enjoys such a height advantage at Welterweight , however if they match him up where the height is not so exaggerated say against Antonio Margarito, or even Kermit Cintron Williams could have some difficulties , but the short guys will never get it done that for sure. ! IMO
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Williams enjoys such a height advantage at Welterweight , however if they match him up where the height is not so exaggerated say against Antonio Margarito, or even Kermit Cintron Williams could have some difficulties , but the short guys will never get it done that for sure. ! IMO
Are we saying that there is a guy that Floyd will not beat? He counts as a shorter guy. Hmmm
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
well Floyd would never fight him I don't believe, Mayweather got too much business sense for that high risk fight. .
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well Floyd would never fight him I don't believe, Mayweather got too much business sense for that high risk fight. .
Hypothetically, the fight happens tomorrow. Both in tip top shape. Who wins?
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Put him in with Quintana & he loses. Simple as that.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
well Floyd would never fight him I don't believe, Mayweather got too much business sense for that high risk fight. .
Hypothetically, the fight happens tomorrow. Both in tip top shape. Who wins?
well you put me on the spot didnt ya ! F L O Y D :'(
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
only because of experiance in big fights.
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only because of experiance in big fights.
;D CC. Agreed. Just minutes from this download being finished so I can give some real input.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Paul is dangerous but by NO stretch of the imagination is he unbeatable, I think Margarito would outmuscle him, Hatton would maraude and get inside on him, no one gets inside better and controls range than an on-song Ricky Hatton, and Mayweather would be too clever, quick and would see shots coming. However i think Paul would be too much for Mosely to cope with, with his dwindling reflexes.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Paul is dangerous but by NO stretch of the imagination is he unbeatable, I think Margarito would outmuscle him, Hatton would maraude and get inside on him, no one gets inside better and controls range than an on-song Ricky Hatton, and Mayweather would be too clever, quick and would see shots coming. However i think Paul would be too much for Mosely to cope with, with his dwindling reflexes.
Hatton hasnt been on-song at welterweight.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Honestly, I quite dig Paul Williams & what he brings to the table...but...he's got way to leaky of a defense for me.
He'll do good...but I aint on the boat just yet...I'd rather be half way to shore before the fwocker sinks to the bottom than swobbing the deck just yet.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
say if oscar or shane came down to welter, i wonder how they would get on against him.............well maybe if he moves up to light middle that could be intresting.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
This is coming from one of the biggest PBF fans. Paul Williams is the future at 147. The guy is a good power hitter, a ridculously long reach and wingspan, fast hands, plus he is a southpaw, and he throws a ton of punches. PBF vs Williams would be like the Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns of this decade. Williams is just a freak, if I were Williams I'd kill myself to stay at welter or just jump up to 160 now and settle in. I heard on BAD that he was willing to go from 147 to 168 for fights, he shouldn't see saw like that, it could ruin his body. I think he has a shot to knock out anyone at 147. People talk about Tony like he is God, if Williams ever fights Tony, Williams is TKOing Tony no doubt. The guy is that good, I don't think there is anyone at 147 that can beat him. Maybe PBF if he runs, but PBF has shown that he can have problems with southpaws, well, Paul Williams is a southpaw that throws 100 punches a round, hard to run from that. Williams is now my second favorite fighter next to Floyd. He just has to work on defense and slow down a bit and realize that if a true power hitter hit him with clean shots like the ones he took from Sharmba, he could get KTFO. But Williams is the guy NOONE will want to fight, not Tony, NOBODY will want to fight Williams.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Thats what they said about Tommy Hearns too.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
He's looked good against Walter Matthysse and an old, shot Sharmba Mitchell.
He looks good except for the bad defense part, and he's so big, but I need to see more than Matthysse and Mitchell before I go off the deep end about him. His fight 28 or 29 fights he was matched VERY VERY soft and he's only gradually picked it up lately.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Thread title totally over exaggerated. Even IF he beat Tony Margarito,guys like Quintana,Collazo,Clottey,Joel Julio(he was outboxed by Quintana,can still go to war),Floyd,Mosley all have a chance again,oh and Cintron.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
I wouldn't say right now he could beat anyone at welter. I do believe he is the future though of that division if he stays. I'm hoping that Tony fights him next I would love to see that one. If Williams gets by Tony with ease which I"m highly doubting he will then maybe this kid is the realness, I guess time will tell. He just needs to keep fighting better oppents.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
I'm going to stick my neck out and jump on board with this statement,
Williams beats Julio, Quintana, Collazo, Cintron et al..........
He's just too big and fast for the division, yeah his defense is kinda non-existant, but the guy has a great chin and a friggin 82" reach at welter!! I will give this division to Williams (with the exception of PBF) until I am proven otherwise, i.e. him losing
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I'm going to stick my neck out and jump on board with this statement,
Williams beats Julio, Quintana, Collazo, Cintron et al..........
He's just too big and fast for the division, yeah his defense is kinda non-existant, but the guy has a great chin and a friggin 82" reach at welter!! I will give this division to Williams (with the exception of PBF) until I am proven otherwise, i.e. him losing
He certainly has the potential but I think he will get caught and caught badly,imagine of a power puncher like Cintron had all the chances Mathysse or Mitchell had! It would be lights out! I'm not on the bandwagon yet but I have taken a liking to him as he reminds me of Tony alot!
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
I Agree Zudah would be snuffed inside 3 rounds. not only does Williams have advantages in height and reach, he also has advantages in determination factor and punch output, he fights extremely well on the inside for a tall fighter with a freakish 82 inch reach.. short fighters are really in troubles i believe. Judah would have to lunge all the time only to get caught with a hale of gunfire.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
cc bro I agree with you, the win over Mitchell didn't prove sh*t but that Mitchell is shot. I love the way everyone seems to jump on the bandwagon. Sure Williams looks good but he showed nothing to me in the Mitchell bout to show he's a world beater. Quitana is the better fighter outta the two IMO.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? ???)
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? ???)
But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!
Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another
Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though
Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.
Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore
Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? ???)
But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!
Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another
Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though
Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.
Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore
Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.
I'll stick with what I said, Floyd schools him, so does Quintana the same, Williams ain't got a punch to hurt Judah. Judah stops him. Collazo another southpaw also wins by decision!
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
No doubt Williams is going to be pure hell for anyone that fights him at Welterweight
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.
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Re: Paul Williams will never lose to a welterweight
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.
So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? ???)
But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).
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At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!
Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another
Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though
Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.
Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore
Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.
Tony does keep a very high guard and he could use that to get inside williams. i think this would be a really good fight, i want to see it
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Ok I've only seen one Williams fight and that was against Sharmba Mitchell.
To be honest I found him exciting but I didn't see a world beater here.
Now I'm the furthest thing away from a Tony Margarito fan but I think Tony would just brutalise this kid. He was way too open, got caught flush by Sharmba 4 times in a row in round 2 or 3 and just would not get away with such a weak defense against a guy like Margarito.
He throws a lot of punches, but he doesn't look like a big puncher, certainly no Hearns. I think he will get outmuscled by the best at 147lb.
If this fight happens against Margarito, and it's a probability seeing as he's Tony's mandatory I would say Tony inside 8 or 9 rounds.
I agree. Margarito or even Cintron could give Williams some troubles. Tall fighters sometime get use to being so much bigger then their opposition, when they face someone their own height the deficiencies they have in defense come into play more.. some tall fighter developed bad habits in regards to hand position over the years from fighting steady dose of short fighters, all of a sudden they fight someone who can hit them from little bit further away and it can be problematic esp when you get use to a comfort distance that is not there anymore. ( i don't know i am translating my thoughts very well ? ???)
But he is still 2" taller than both of those guys and has a 9" reach over Margarito and 10" reach over Cintron, on top of which I don't think either of those guys are as fast or as slick as Sharmba (say what you will about him).
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At this point I think Floyd, Quintana, Margarito, Judah & Collazo all take that 0 of his record. With experience & improvement of his defense down the line who knows. But right now I think he's very beatable!
Floyd - Could beat Williams, it would be a war though, I am assuming PBF is going to 154 next year one way or another
Quintana - Look really good against the way over-hyped Joel Julio, Williams style wouldn't allow him to pick and choose his punches though
Margarito - He would really have to be on his "A" game or he will get hammered all night long, and speaking of defense I haven't been too impressed with Tony's defense either.
Judah - You're kidding right? If you haven't noticed he has a glass jaw and no legs, being just fast is not enough anymore
Collazo - Definately doesn't have the power to put him away, that being said Williams takes it on the cards.
Tony does keep a very high guard and he could use that to get inside williams. i think this would be a really good fight, i want to see it
The thing is Williams has a brilliant inside game as well, that being said, I would definately pay for the PPV on that one.
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.
So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.
I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.
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hE WOUL KTFO Judah!!! You're joking right,where does all this rating Judah come from? He chokes on the big stage,heck he chokes on the small stage!
Bro I think Judah would KO Margarito! Williams' biggest win so far is over a faded Mitchell who hit him enough times for me to have concerns. Judah was doing well against Mayweather early on who I rate as the best in the world right now. Judah & Williams sign to fight next & Judah wins by KO!!!
Judah Koing Margarito has no basis on fact,it's hope,fantasy. If Margarito can take Cintron's punches,I'm sure he could take Judah's,Judah's power is over rated and thats a silly statement.
It has all the basis in the world, if I feel Williams can't beat Margarito but Judah can knock him out, then how does Williams stand a chance? The silly statement here is "He would KTFO Judah". At least Judah is a former linear world champion that's why I rate him, Williams KO'd a shot Mitchell. I could ask you the same question where does all this rating Williams come from?
I rate Williams high because he has the tool kit to dominate the division, his style along with his reach that's where the rating comes from did you see the Matthysse fight? Matthysse hits like a friggin jackhammer and 96% KO in his fights, Williams simply took the punches and fired back answering with 6 punches to everyone of Walters. Where does rating Judah come from?
Williams has had 30 bouts against nobdy it's easy to look impressive, he didn't look that great against Matthysse either got hit a lot, & name one guy on Matthysse's record. Easy to get a lot of KO's when you competition is limited. Judah's fought world class competition. Is a former world welterweight champion. Has great technically ability & speed to burn. His problem is he tends to lose focus. But he'd handle Williams easy.
So do you want me to handicap Judah v. Williams for ya? I mean that's what I do...............
Mattysse KOed 21 people within the first 3 rounds he's had a total of 26 fights now, I don't
care who you are facing, that statistic shows that he has power....96% KO rate || 87.5% KO rate within 3 rounds.
show me a fighter that has those numbers that isn't a power puncher.
I think nearly everyone on Matthysse's record had already been stopped at least once before except the undefeated Rueque. It's not like he wasn't doing something that hadn't already been done. Wasn't stopping guys who had never been ko'd. I'm not saying he doesn't have power, just hasn't fought any top competition. Sorta like Freitas dried up once he stepped up.
OK, thank you for validating the original point that Paul Williams can take a punch, as you say Mattysse has power and hit Williams with it a lot. I thought Williams looked good against Mattysse, he always gave more than he received.
To further extrapolate the Zabdiel argument remember we are talking Welterweight here which on that level he has beat, um let's see Cory Spinks and his record is 4-3-0 at welter yeah he's faced World level competition, but he's lost to World level competition.
