Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card

OK so I watched this when it was shown in 1987, but have never wacthed it since - Cheers the Game for the link

Watched it totally objectively here is how I had it


Leonard 10 ROUND1 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND2 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND3 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND4 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND5 Leonard 9
Leonard 10 ROUND6 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND7 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND8 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND9 Leonard 9
EVEN 10 ROUND10 EVEN 10
Leonard 10 ROUND11 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND12 Leonard 9



Leonard 115- 114 Hagler


Could've quite easily gone to Hagler or been a draw - can't see how so many people think Hagler was robbed though, it was asclose as you can get imo. One judge had it 10 rounds to 2 to Leonard :o

Round 9 has now gone on my list of Geat all time rounds too


What's everybodies take on the fight ( I know we have done this so many times, but ti never get tired for me)

funnily enough, on my card if Hagler won the last round it would of been a draw..
I had it 115-113 for Leonard, but i can definetly relate to you on the scoring though..
Leonard wasn't robbed, it was a fair decision imo

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Originally Posted by The_One77

funnily enough, on my card if Hagler won the last round it would of been a draw..
I had it 115-113 for Leonard, but i can definetly relate to you on the scoring though..
Leonard wasn't robbed, it was a fair decision imo

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Quality match up weren't it m8 ;)

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funnily enough, on my card if Hagler won the last round it would of been a draw..
I had it 115-113 for Leonard, but i can definetly relate to you on the scoring though..
Leonard wasn't robbed, it was a fair decision imo

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Quality match up weren't it m8 ;)

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Leonard was brillant especially after been out for so long. I also scored it 115-113 Leonard.

yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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funnily enough, on my card if Hagler won the last round it would of been a draw..
I had it 115-113 for Leonard, but i can definetly relate to you on the scoring though..
Leonard wasn't robbed, it was a fair decision imo

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Quality match up weren't it m8 ;)

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Leonard was brillant especially after been out for so long. I also scored it 115-113 Leonard.

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yea good point leonard hadnt fought since 1984 no one gave him chance against hagler but he won and was good performance by him

I expected most people to say Hagler won - glad you all saw it how I did

If it went 15 he would have though ;)

yep maybe big h but leonard already won fight before stepping in the ring with how many rounds the fight would go and how large the ring would be  ;)

Hagler would have stopped Ray over 15. Leonard was running on empty at the end there. Halger should have thrown his shot instead of just shaking it around, he may have got the KO or knockdown that he needed to win.

Dunno what you guys are talking about. Hagler WAS robbed. And the fight sucked. It was boring really. Dramatic with two legends in there and the high stakes, but boring. Leonard just ran all night, and threw pitter patt crap every once in a while, and Hagler stalked him but didn't let his hands go a whole lot either. Leonard survived and stole a few rounds, 4 or 5 at most. But most definately not enuff to take a great champion's title away. He did no damage to Hagler at all. Nor did he try to.

How did you score it when you watched it years ago. Did you have it set in your mind that Hagler won?

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How did you score it when you watched it years ago. Did you have it set in your mind that Hagler won?

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Me? I've seen it least twice on ESPN Classic.And I remember scoring it for Hagler by bout 8-4. Last time I watched it was roughly 2 years ago. It's boring and it really don't interest me that much to watch it.

Surely you gave the first 4 rounds to Leonard ??

Def weren't boring imo

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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Oh ok I know I'm :spam: the forums here but I love to go over this one more time.

If Hagler lost the fight because he gave away the first 4 rounds then how does anyone justify Hopkins beating Taylor in their first fight when he clearly lost 7 of the first 8? :P

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yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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Oh ok I know I'm :spam: the forums here but I love to go over this one more time.

If Hagler lost the fight because he gave away the first 4 rounds then how does anyone justify Hopkins beating Taylor in their first fight when he clearly lost 7 of the first 8? :P

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I agree Hopkins did lose atleast 6 of the first 8 - even if Taylor wasn't doing much either, ould easily see that fight as a draw, but prob just gave edge to Taylor, even with Hopkins winning thelast 4

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yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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Oh ok I know I'm :spam: the forums here but I love to go over this one more time.

If Hagler lost the fight because he gave away the first 4 rounds then how does anyone justify Hopkins beating Taylor in their first fight when he clearly lost 7 of the first 8? :P

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He didn't give away the first 4 rounds, he gave away the first 3 and then won the 4th, by the 8th round it was even 4 and 4. Then Hopkins swept the last 4 rounds nearly stopping Taylor in every round in the 10th and past it and thus won. Hagler didn't sweep the last 4 by dominating Leonard, he kept it close to where Leonard could get any of the last 4. Hopkins left no doubt of who won the last 4 rounds unless you're Duane Ford.

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yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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Oh ok I know I'm :spam: the forums here but I love to go over this one more time.

If Hagler lost the fight because he gave away the first 4 rounds then how does anyone justify Hopkins beating Taylor in their first fight when he clearly lost 7 of the first 8? :P

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He didn't give away the first 4 rounds, he gave away the first 3 and then won the 4th, by the 8th round it was even 4 and 4. Then Hopkins swept the last 4 rounds nearly stopping Taylor in every round in the 10th and past it and thus won. Hagler didn't sweep the last 4 by dominating Leonard, he kept it close to where Leonard could get any of the last 4. Hopkins left no doubt of who won the last 4 rounds unless you're Duane Ford.

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Haha I knew someone would bite! I don't care I just know it's a sore point for so many people. Still I think 115-113 to Taylor was completely right. :lickish:

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I expected most people to say Hagler won - glad you all saw it how I did

If it went 15 he would have though ;)

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If it had gone 15 rds Hagler would have won IMO, Leonard collapsed after the 12th and final rd from being spent, 3 more rds and Hagler may even stopped Ray, but Leonard offered Hagler a million more in purse money to cut it from 15rds to 12rds, plus to make Hagler wear 12oz gloves instead of 10oz gloves. So Hagler's greed come back and bite em in his azz, Hagler was more than likely thinking there's no way Leonard could beat him and that he was gonna destroy Leonard going off the fact that Leonard had fought only 1 time in 5yrs. And Leonard wasn't very impressive against Howard in that fight, so Hagler thought like we all thought that Leonard was in trouble. And for the record, I too believe that Leonard won their bout.

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I expected most people to say Hagler won - glad you all saw it how I did

If it went 15 he would have though ;)

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If it had gone 15 rds Hagler would have won IMO, Leonard collapsed after the 12th and final rd from being spent, 3 more rds and Hagler may even stopped Ray, but Leonard offered Hagler a million more in purse money to cut it from 15rds to 12rds, plus to make Hagler wear 12oz gloves instead of 10oz gloves. So Hagler's greed come back and bite em in his azz, Hagler was more than likely thinking there's no way Leonard could beat him and that he was gonna destroy Leonard going off the fact that Leonard had fought only 1 time in 5yrs. And Leonard wasn't very impressive against Howard in that fight, so Hagler thought like we all thought that Leonard was in trouble. And for the record, I too believe that Leonard won their bout.

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Lol I love that, have you not seen the fight??? If it had gone 15 rounds, in your opinion, Hagler MAY have stopped Leonard.. I would put my house on Hagler having stopped Leonard if the fight went on another minute. Leonard was ssooo finished.

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yea i think leonard won by round or 2 but really and truthfully hagler gave away first 4 rounds and thats what cost him and hagler wasnt robbed at all

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Oh ok I know I'm :spam: the forums here but I love to go over this one more time.

If Hagler lost the fight because he gave away the first 4 rounds then how does anyone justify Hopkins beating Taylor in their first fight when he clearly lost 7 of the first 8? :P

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He didn't give away the first 4 rounds, he gave away the first 3 and then won the 4th, by the 8th round it was even 4 and 4. Then Hopkins swept the last 4 rounds nearly stopping Taylor in every round in the 10th and past it and thus won. Hagler didn't sweep the last 4 by dominating Leonard, he kept it close to where Leonard could get any of the last 4. Hopkins left no doubt of who won the last 4 rounds unless you're Duane Ford.

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Haha I knew someone would bite! I don't care I just know it's a sore point for so many people. Still I think 115-113 to Taylor was completely right. :lickish:

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I thought Hopkins won but it isn't a sore point for me. He still beat up Tarver.

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I expected most people to say Hagler won - glad you all saw it how I did

If it went 15 he would have though ;)

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If it had gone 15 rds Hagler would have won IMO, Leonard collapsed after the 12th and final rd from being spent, 3 more rds and Hagler may even stopped Ray, but Leonard offered Hagler a million more in purse money to cut it from 15rds to 12rds, plus to make Hagler wear 12oz gloves instead of 10oz gloves. So Hagler's greed come back and bite em in his azz, Hagler was more than likely thinking there's no way Leonard could beat him and that he was gonna destroy Leonard going off the fact that Leonard had fought only 1 time in 5yrs. And Leonard wasn't very impressive against Howard in that fight, so Hagler thought like we all thought that Leonard was in trouble. And for the record, I too believe that Leonard won their bout.

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Lol I love that, have you not seen the fight??? If it had gone 15 rounds, in your opinion, Hagler MAY have stopped Leonard.. I would put my house on Hagler having stopped Leonard if the fight went on another minute. Leonard was ssooo finished.

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So who do you think won?

leonard should have been penalized for holding, low blows
and running away.how many warnings do you get for holding before a point gets taken away? i think there were at least 20 warnings given to leonard. had the ref been on top of that then the fight would have been very different. you have to beat the champion to win take the belt; not just do better than everyone thought cause you're the sentimental favourite. leonard did a great job, but he goty more than a little help from the ref.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

OK so I watched this when it was shown in 1987, but have never wacthed it since - Cheers the Game for the link

Watched it totally objectively here is how I had it


Leonard 10 ROUND1 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND2 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND3 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND4 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND5 Leonard 9
Leonard 10 ROUND6 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND7 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND8 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND9 Leonard 9
EVEN 10 ROUND10 EVEN 10
Leonard 10 ROUND11 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND12 Leonard 9



Leonard 115- 114 Hagler


Could've quite easily gone to Hagler or been a draw - can't see how so many people think Hagler was robbed though, it was asclose as you can get imo. One judge had it 10 rounds to 2 to Leonard :o

Round 9 has now gone on my list of Geat all time rounds too


What's everybodies take on the fight ( I know we have done this so many times, but ti never get tired for me)

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this fight just makes me mad!!!!! Hagler won and Leonard should have lost 2 points or been disqualified for all the holding....but when you have the ref and judges in your pocket you can do that....f*ckin fight...:(

When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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Originally Posted by BIG H

OK so I watched this when it was shown in 1987, but have never wacthed it since - Cheers the Game for the link

Watched it totally objectively here is how I had it


Leonard 10 ROUND1 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND2 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND3 Hagler 9
Leonard 10 ROUND4 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND5 Leonard 9
Leonard 10 ROUND6 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND7 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND8 Leonard 9
Hagler 10 ROUND9 Leonard 9
EVEN 10 ROUND10 EVEN 10
Leonard 10 ROUND11 Hagler 9
Hagler 10 ROUND12 Leonard 9



Leonard 115- 114 Hagler


Could've quite easily gone to Hagler or been a draw - can't see how so many people think Hagler was robbed though, it was asclose as you can get imo. One judge had it 10 rounds to 2 to Leonard :o

Round 9 has now gone on my list of Geat all time rounds too


What's everybodies take on the fight ( I know we have done this so many times, but ti never get tired for me)

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I don't know either.... ??? I mean it was close but to say Hagler was robbed is absurd. Congrats. on seen the fight for your 1st time. 8) wont be the last thats for sure... ;)

The fact leonard asked for some many things to go his way, glove size, ring size and duration of the fight knew that he couldnt win without the circumstances being exactly right. I havent seen the fight in a while so i wont comment but i thought hagler won last time i saw it but as i said i havent seen it in a while.

Hagler beat Leonard and Bernard beat Taylor BOTH TIMES. You all know it.

it's so obvious that Hagler was robbed...

I mean, what Leonard did in this fight ? he just ran all night, threw punches for 30seconds at the end of each rounds, and held Hagler like he was his first kiss.

You have to beat the champ to become champ, you have to be the agressor, you must win rounds other than just throwing pucnhes for 30 seconds.

Hagler was Robbed, years after years, I see it 116-112 or 115-113

gave the first Hopkins-Taylor fight a draw, but i could see why it went to Taylor.
Dont know about their rematch though, too much to bare...bboooorrrriiinnnnngggg

Ironically, I thought that Hagler lost the first 4 rounds through his arrogance. O0

He seemed more concerned with showing SRL that he couldn't be conned or outboxed & subsequently ended up being outboxed!!

Had be concentrated on fighting, instead of insulting SRL's parentage & sexuality, plus switching to orthodox unnecessarily, he might have won.

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When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!

I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:

"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"

Hagler won.

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I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:

"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"

Hagler won.

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I like your style.....Little dave...keep those posts coming......:)

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Originally Posted by littledave

I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:

"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"

Hagler won.

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allow me the priviledge of giving you your first COOL CLICK!!!!!!!!!!

didnt think hagler landed that many jabs but surely leonard outlanded him in total punches landed

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When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!

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Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

didnt think hagler landed that many jabs but surely leonard outlanded him in total punches landed

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did he?.......I would like to see the stats on that fight...

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When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!

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Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D

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You may have something there....But it would be HAGLER!!!!!! those guys would be on pins and needles the whole time!!!!! Heck, Hagler might even spar one or two of them to show them how a real champ spars!!!! of course the Contender might lose a few fighters to injury!!! :)

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When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!

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Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D

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IMO P4P theres no doubt that SRL is a greater boxer. SRL is cooler then Hagler anyways.

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When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P

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imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!

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Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D

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You may have something there....But it would be HAGLER!!!!!! those guys would be on pins and needles the whole time!!!!! Heck, Hagler might even spar one or two of them to show them how a real champ spars!!!! of course the Contender might lose a few fighters to injury!!! :)

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How freakin great would that be thou!!! Hagler as your mentor for a couple of months!!!! Teaching you the inside tricks and everything!!!!! If Hagler sparred with them I think they all would wet their pants with excitement!!!!! ;D :D