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How come so many of you people sweat Margarito so much. i neva seen him fight until just now.. they showed him against sebastian Lujan and im not impressed at all. Paul williams would destroy him and have a margarito pizza. im sick and tired of everyone ducking Paul Williams its pretty ridiculous
Well he is only 24 , i dont think he has really been ducked,
its just he fights opponents on his current level to fit in with his learning curve.
mabe within the next year or 2.....Paul is still an up and comer...he's not the man yet.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Banginniga
it is always easy to assume when a fighter has yet to have a huge fight....I think you Paul Williams wagon needs a few more miles under its wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banginniga
I don't think they have even put the wheels on the wagon yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
Williams against Margarito would be painful.......................for Williams.
Heres the problem: Margarito holds the WBO Belt. Everyone says that he is not worthy of fighting a top 5 fighter like Floyd. Well, how the hell are we gonna know if hes a top world class fighter if none of the top world class fighters will fight him. PBF, Hatton, Baldomir all had opportunities that They say Margarito shouldnt have. IF ZAB NEVER FOUGHT BALDOMIR THEN BALDOMIR WOULD STILL BE AN UNKNOWN. IF KOSTYA NEVER FOUGHT HATTON, HATTON WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS. BIG NAMES MAKE BIG NAMES WHICH EVENTUALLY MAKE BIG FIGHTS............But the guy needs a chance first
That and Williams is Margarito's mandatory anyway................
CC brilliantly put!Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Don’t let posters like these two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1fIEpBy90 pull the wool over your eyes but instead look at what the great majority have said about the fight. Here are just two of many:
http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...ito_lujan.html
http://www.boxingladiators.com/marga...anreportxx.htm
He isn't avoided because people are afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Anyway Bob Arum is keeping his 'investment' safe and not letting him fight anyone that could expose him!
Margarito could have fought Sharmba and if he had done well no questions..but he didn't and Arum made sure he didnt. AND he didn't want to fight Williams either..so there you have Mitchell and Williams fighting and Williams wins.
Now Margarito is fighting Joshua Clottey AFTER Josh looked ordinary his last fight although the low blows may have been the reason
I don't know why a lot of u hate margarito so much! what makes u think that margarito is affraid of williams when he wants to fight mayweather, it does'nt make sense. Im pretty sure williams would get his a$$ handed to him, i mean he is a good fighter but i dont think he is ready for the kind of power margarito packs Come on he ripped a guy's ear off, i dont know how r u supposed to train to not get ur ear ripped off i dont think there's any exersice for it.
How much credit would he have gotten for that? Honestly. Not much. I'm surprised Williams got much of any at all to be honest but you know the people that hate Margarito, they are not many Williams haters, would have just talked about how he beat up on old Shotba.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Clottey's a better fight, no doubt.
I still think Margarito would have gotten more kudos if he had fought Sharmba. But then Margarito doesn't like to fight movers does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I'm actually tiring of Margarito a bit, but the Clottey fight isn't terrible, definitely better than a Sharmba fight. But he needs to pick it up and stop just waiting and hoping for Floyd to sign a contract, there's people out there who are willing to fight him, fight them, waiting is not a good strategy. Clottey's a pretty decent first step but he needs to keep picking it up.
Yeah Clottey looked very impressive (much more than Sharmba's last fights) in his last fight especially since he only had a week or two notice to fight that little columbian monster.
Clottey's record is more impressive than Williams
OK fine. Margarito isn't the second coming of Muhammad frickin Ali but he's still a damn good fighter. He's never ducked anyone and all he does is knock people out, so until someone beats him, show the champ some respect.
I think Williams gives Tony some trouble but the hammer is barely wet behind the ears. We don't even know if he can whether the storm from one of boxings p4p strongest punchers (yes he is). If Williams can beat Margarito than he can beat ANYONE at 147 (except Floyd of course).
And lastly let's get our facts straight. I heard someone on this forum say Margarito lost to some nobody a couple of fights ago. For the last time, he went up to fight 154 pound champ Daniel Santos and was robbed because of a hometown decision in PR. The fight was stopped because of a clash of heads right when Tony (a notorious slow starter as most accumulation punchers are) was making Santos' knees buckle.
Love,
The official Margarito defender of Saddoboxing.com
Margarito doesnt like fighting movers? Santos was supposed to move,6 heads,he wants to fight Floyd,he offered Zab a fight numerous times,Clottey moves at times,need I go on Mikey?
Margarito had fought at 154 before he fought Santos, where did you hear that was his first time? He regularly went up and down between 47 and 54. And he only fights these people that don't know how to jab, don't know how to move at all. Lujan put moves on Margarito for the first 3 rounds and made Tony look like an amateur before he stopped for some reason and started just slugging and going on the inside. Watch the first 3 rounds of the Lujan fight and say with a straight face Margarito would beat Floyd. Anyway all he does is knock people out yeah..and they are all nobody in the top 10 anywhere either for a "champ" as far as not ducking anyone, Margarito ducks anyone that calls him out who doesn't fight squared up and THATS A FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by a harmful of swallows
1) Santos wonQuote:
Originally Posted by El Phenomena
2) 6 Heads that Mayorga walked through that has no chin? Who Larry Laser Marks almost KO'd at 140?
3) He never offered Zab a fight he just talked about it in interviews. But Top Rank never reached DKP to make the fight at all.
4) Mayweather got a better deal with the "proven" Baldomir.
Got that Donald?
There are movers and then there are movers. Just cause you have a style to beat a guy, and a boxer is the style to beat Margarito, doesn't mean you're good enough to do it. Sharmba's legs are weak, and just cause he moves doesn't mean he's always technically sound, Sharmba's always been a bit too much of a risk taker. He likes to fight a bit more than what's good for him, he doesn't stay disciplined, at some point within the first six rounds, he'd do something stupid, engage Margarito, and get knocked out. And I'm not saying that cause I think Margarito's some kind of beast, he's a good solid fighter, but he gets beat by Floyd and I can think of a few others that would beat him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
As far as kudos, no, I wouldn't give him ANY for beating Sharmba, and I like watching the guy fight, imagine what the shrine in the closet Floyd fans would say.
Who in your opion Oumafan,beats Tony at 147? Just curious.
Just at 147? I was thinking more of the 147-154 range, if he moved up or if other people moved down.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Phenomena
But at 147: Floyd beats him IMO, I can't comment on Cotto until I see how he looks at 147 but that's a possible big fight down the line, Collazo is tough for anybody but I might favor Margarito. Quintana and Williams are too unproven at the moment for me to pick them but I think Quintana is very promising. So right now I can only really say Floyd, although I would give Collazo a good chance, I think its actually a tougher fight for Margarito than Baldomir because of styles, and I need to see more from Cotto, Quintana and Williams.
I wanna get in on this. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Personally...I don't see Williams beating Margarito, nor do I see Quintana doing so either, but...I agree with you on the fact that Collazo is a tuffy.
The problem with most of the above names is that they would fight the stupid fight. Williams would want to show that he could go toe to toe & Margarito would crack him. Williams is just too open. Quintana...for some reason...I just don't see him being that effective against Margarito because I just don't think that he can take Margarito's body work.
Floyd has the style to beat Margarito & I will always believe that. A lot of movement is what will beat Margarito. Not a stationary target that is concentrating on power punches. Floyd's defense will give Margarito issues all night as will his foot work & speed.
I think Margarito can bang & he is a good fighter...but he aint great.
Clottey looked TERRIBLE in his last fight, mate. That fight was a complete stinker, all-around. Very unimpressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by maracho
I don't know if he looked terrible. I was unimpressed too though. Not as unimpressed as I was with Sharmba Mitchell though. Bottom line, I don't give Margarito too much cred for the Clottey fight (assuming he wins), but it's way better than him fighting Sharmba or someone similarly shot. Clottey's probably better than anyone Margarito's been in with before, not that that's saying much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
LOL the good old boxing for real fools!Quote:
Originally Posted by maracho
I agree completely while williams may have that long reach and he is still undefeated he needs more experience. case and point what Happened to Kermit Citron? 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Wow,totally agree Wack! I think he would beat Collazo though,he is effective at cutting off the ring and banging to the bodyadmittedly,it would be tough. I think he and Floyd would have a close fight and it would sure be exciting! I think he can beat Quintana because Carlos has not fought anyone like Tony and would get over whelmed.Good post though Wack,you kept it real.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Majesty
cc for the hard post
how many times do we have to keep saying the same things to these people?
Can anyone tell me why those assholes nerds on boxing for real bum love Zab Judah so much?? Is he that good?????
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Originally Posted by ricky_hitman
another well thought out, articulated post from the newest boxing afficianado to join this forum