Interesting info on the Hamed/Eubank debacle

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naz used to say that eubank saw him as a 15 year old vaulting over the ropes at the gym when he came up to spar with bomber graham, and how eubank stole all his moves.

but the other day i read a '96 interview with chris and he said "i taught naseem almost everything i knew, almost everything. he won't want to admit it, but i was his hero. his first hero was herol graham, but i strutted into the gym, strutted into the ring and knocked down herol for the first time in his life, naseem was watching open mouthed. this was just after i signed for barry hearn. naseem became a member of my entourage, i had a mobile phone and naseem would ring me up all the time for advise. he started walking like me, posing like me. we'd sit down and watch footage of my fights, my amateur fights, my gymnasium fights and my professional fights. if he was leaping the ropes when i was there, i didn't see him. i had 47 professional bouts and leaped the ropes every single time and never tripped once, i leaped the ropes on my professional debut in 1985 when i was boxing out of the bronx, three or four years before i ever met naseem so i certainly didn't copy anything from that kid."


also brendan ingle claimed that eubank tried stealing naz from him but that naz gave him the two fingers. eubank though said "i jokingly asked naseem out of the blue at the post fight party after the gary stretch fight 'naz, how do you fancy turning pro? train with me, ill promote you and manage you. we could travel the world together, have a great time' and he said something like 'yeah, wicked man, that sounds wicked', but i was only messing about. about a year later, naz asked if i would take him, but i said something along the lines of 'naz, i cant afford to lose one boxing match. i need to focus fully on my own career.' then about two years after that i asked him if he was interested and he just laughed."

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Mate i dont know which is true and which isn't but your last statement, about Naz changing because he fell over trying to do the Eubank entrance , i find hard to beleive surely the Naz over the ropes was much harder to do than the Eubank one.

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Mate i dont know which is true and which isn't but your last statement, about Naz changing because he fell over trying to do the Eubank entrance , i find hard to beleive surely the Naz over the ropes was much harder to do than the Eubank one.

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Mate, I just copied and pasted it from elsewhere.

I'd like to know the truth, because Hamed is adament that Eubank copied him! I don't know what to believe..

In the book "The paddy and the prince" it says when Eubank went to spar with Graham he saw Naz jumping the top rope and copied it from him.... BUT in turn Naz copied it from Ryan Rhodes

And Eubank was one of Naz heroes.

Naz copied it from Ryan Rhodes now??

Fucking hell, this is doing my head in :-\

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Originally Posted by WWatt

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Sorry but that is just absurd to suggest he somersaulted the ropes because he found vaulting them to difficult ???


It's like saying you ride around on a unicycle because you keep falling off your bmx, or a girl walks around on 6 ft tall stilts because she keeps tripping in her heels. :-\

I doubt he changed because a somersault was easier, because a somersault isn't.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

i find hard to beleive surely the Naz over the ropes was much harder to do than the Eubank one.

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LOL, yes, ask Wally Swift Jr, when he made right tit of himself cocking up the Naz somersault in a defence of his British 11 stone (154lbs) title, against Tony Collins. ;)

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Mate i dont know which is true and which isn't but your last statement, about Naz changing because he fell over trying to do the Eubank entrance , i find hard to beleive surely the Naz over the ropes was much harder to do than the Eubank one.

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ner man u ever tried jus doin the normal vaults come can and some cant but i would land on my face if i tried it for real, i figure the naz sault is a bit easyer cos hes smaller and can use the ropes more to do the latter lol.
lord knows how eubank did his in the first place, lol

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Originally Posted by Fenster

In the book "The paddy and the prince" it says when Eubank went to spar with Graham he saw Naz jumping the top rope and copied it from him.... BUT in turn Naz copied it from Ryan Rhodes

And Eubank was one of Naz heroes.

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that book was so boring, did you make it all the way through ?

amazing, i didnt know eubank ever sparred with the bomber grahem, LET ALONE FLOOR HIM!!!!! :o
he was very difficult to hit.

How could eubank have copied little shit like nas. the reason why nas probably changed it to somersault, so its unique to nas.

i saw brendan ingle in the corner for some of eubanks fights. not surprised about that, especially after eubank flooring his main fighter in his own gym!!!!

back in the days eubank really was the middle/super middleweight to beat in the UK. thats why James Toney wanted a piece of him, challenging him live on tv all the time.

what a legend!

Eubank was like F****** superman!

Putting Bomber on his a** for the first time ever, KOing the now infamous Renaldo Dos Santos in 20 seconds (as the perfect advert to sell Benn/Eubank), standing in front of the most explosiver puncher in the world (Benn) with his hands by his waist and not getting knocked off his feet, coming back from the brink of death to produce an uppercut from hell (Watson II, having lost every round), losing 15-20lbs every few months in the last few days before weigh-ins and going 12 rounds every time - weighing exactly 12 stone every time, and going all the way up to Cruiserweight and not being knocked off his feet, etc.

He only started sparring a few months before he turned 17, but turned pro a few months after turning 19. That's pretty damn interesting, too.

I did see Naz come to the ring with Eubank, behind him, at a few of his fights. Naz looked real young, had his hair all brushed to one side. Looked funny.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

According to the book "The paddy and the prince" it says when Eubank went to spar with Graham he saw Naz jumping the top rope and copied it from him.... BUT in turn Naz copied it from Ryan Rhodes

And Eubank was one of Naz heroes.

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that book was so boring, did you make it all the way through ?

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Twice ;)

I know Bredan Ingle is not the most popular character in boxing but ive always found him quite funny :-\

I might have to buy that book.

Where can I buy that book?

let me just clear a few things up...

Naz used to vault the ropes like Eubank... the sumersault was started by Ryan Rhodes in the Gym so Naz nicked that also and started to use it ;)

second I very much doubt Eubank floored Bomber because when Naz and Eubank where on the same bill Ingle was giving aload of mouth to Eubank TO HIS FACE AND ON SKT TV about the day he came to the gym and was getting schooled by Bomber...

Eubank didnt say a word... surly if this wasn't the case Eubank would have mentioned then that he floored him ;)

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Originally Posted by Saddo

let me just clear a few things up...

Naz used to vault the ropes like Eubank... the sumersault was started by Ryan Rhodes in the Gym so Naz nicked that also and started to use it ;)

second I very much doubt Eubank floored Bomber because when Naz and Eubank where on the same bill Ingle was giving aload of mouth to Eubank TO HIS FACE AND ON SKT TV about the day he came to the gym and was getting schooled by Bomber...

Eubank didnt say a word... surly if this wasn't the case Eubank would have mentioned then that he floored him ;)

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I doubt it.

Eubank probably just wouldn't bring himself down to that level and that's why he didn't say anything. He's done it before with James Toney and Mrs Merton when they trash talked him :)

And Eubank's not the kind to boast about knocking a guy down, he'd rather boast about out-boxing somebody. He did say after the Cronin bout that he thought he was the only guy in Europe who could beat Bomber..

It doesnt matter if he floored bomber, it doesnt matter if eubank got schooled, what matters is that eubank went on to do bigger n better things than bomber graham and has left a great legacy!

HEROL admits in this recent interview that CHRIS knocked him down -- http://www.fightfan.com/interviews/0606-Graham.htm

HEROL QUOTE -- I mean, he knocked me down and that, fair play to him. I just got caught and he put me on my backside, but when I got up I battered him, I absolutely battered him.

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Originally Posted by WWatt

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Sorry but that is just absurd to suggest he somersaulted the ropes because he found vaulting them to difficult ???


It's like saying you ride around on a unicycle because you keep falling off your bmx, or a girl walks around on 6 ft tall stilts because she keeps tripping in her heels. :-\

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:coolclick: that was funny! Anyways i wish Naz and Eubank had just spared and Naz got KTFO!

Interesting shit, that interview. Thanks Pete.

It's funny that Bomber's in denial though about him stinking the place out every time he fought, and being feather-fisted.

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let me just clear a few things up...

Naz used to vault the ropes like Eubank... the sumersault was started by Ryan Rhodes in the Gym so Naz nicked that also and started to use it ;)

second I very much doubt Eubank floored Bomber because when Naz and Eubank where on the same bill Ingle was giving aload of mouth to Eubank TO HIS FACE AND ON SKT TV about the day he came to the gym and was getting schooled by Bomber...

Eubank didnt say a word... surly if this wasn't the case Eubank would have mentioned then that he floored him ;)

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Eubank probably just wouldn't bring himself down to that level and that's why he didn't say anything. He's done it before with James Toney and Mrs Merton when they trash talked him :)

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ive recently seen naz's early pro fights and he comes to the ring with barry hearn his promoter, the same towel over his head as eubank would wear, same boots as eubank, and vaulted the ropes just like eubank-no somersault. i heard that naz only changed it to a somersault after he fell over trying to do the eubank vault before one fight! is that true??

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Mate i dont know which is true and which isn't but your last statement, about Naz changing because he fell over trying to do the Eubank entrance , i find hard to beleive surely the Naz over the ropes was much harder to do than the Eubank one.

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You would have thought so wouldnt ya but I saw Nas mess up the Eubank jump once and he messed it up but since then hes always done the summersalt and has been sucessful

What fight was it that Naz messed up the Eubank vault?

It was an early one. He was wearing the poncho that looked like a tatty tan carpet. He tripped ont he way in and climbed back out to do it properly.

Clarkson?

My favourite early Hamed fight was the rematch with Buckley.. where Buckley complained it was stopped early and Naz gave him the 'wanker' gesture, was funny because Naz looked like a little posh lad with his hair all brushed to one side (non-shaved around the sides back then) and green and black trunks I remember with the leopard type pattern.

Good kid he was, shame how he turned out.

naz talks as well as he boxed............alot of over hyped crap

He truly did believe he was going to be the best ever though.. Naz.