I honestly believe Wlad will Ko him very early. http://www.calvinbrock.com/index.php
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I honestly believe Wlad will Ko him very early. http://www.calvinbrock.com/index.php
Brock is a good guy but he is lacking in a lot of areas when you compare him to the top tier guys.
Wlad will blast him out it's not even a question but Brock will show his heart but he'll also show a lack of boxing ability, power, and a questionable chin. Best of luck to Calvin but he's in for a MAJOR LEAGUE ass whuppin
Brock is getting KTFO!!!!!!!!!! end of story....next?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
Brock is decent and Wlad has had bad days against the less than decent....Dont be so quick to write off Brock. Peter has no skills, and he managed to put Wlad down 3 times. He wont knock Toney down 3 times.
Brock has as good a chance as anyone out there now....might not manage it, but he deserves his shot...
Wont quit without a fight....
He put Wlad down 3 times....only ONCE did he do it with a legal punch!
Brock is good but he's not going to beat Wlad, if Lawrence can outbox him and McCline can put him down Wlad will be able to put him out.
Brock won't quit but part of me wonders if that will be good to do if he's getting his ass handed to him
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but that one time... ::** ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Agreed again. I really like Brock...but this is a hell of a way to end an undefeated streak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Wlad is not the same fighter......Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
If Brock lands that left hook he dropped ole buddy with anything can happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
I dont know about this one....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
I am a good Coach when it comes to working with Heavies, I love Wlad and Vitali, they have style and great experience when it somes to the Ring....
BUT, I see something in Brock, I see a spark we havent seen in American fighters for a long, long time....
I am not saying he's going to tear Wlad's ass up, but, I will say...Dont count your chickens before they hatch...
I look at the beginnings of Brock....When noone would take a chance, his father did...AND HE DIDNT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING!!!
What Brock's Father did was purchase some Videos from Ringside products and learned what he could from them...
from there, Calvin did win alot of Amateur Titles and even fought in the Olympics...So he has some talent there somewhere...
Now, look where the man is...Calvin has the fire, the spirit and the "I WANT TO WIN!!" attitude I havent seen in a fighter in a long time....
I like his style, I believe he has a strong future in the sport...
I am going to watch him over the next month and see if there is anything there to say he can achieve what most of you say he doesnt have a chance in hell of doing.....
Good Luck,
I understand what you are saying here, but, remember who came out of those fights with the wins....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The way I see it, Lawrence didnt outbox shit, he got KTFO in the sixth, so end of story on that.....And if McCline couldnt do his job by keeping the man down after he knocked him down, I wouldnt brag about knocking him down in the first place....
So we need better exscuses than these when looking at Brock...
I personally know two of the guys he fought and I know how tought Terry Smith is, he may not be the smoothest cat out there, but the boy can fight. I also know Jim Strohl...As a matter of fact, he isnt even fighting HW anymore, I believe he dropped some major punds here recently for a fight in Cali. and I know when he was HW, he hit hard as a bull...
So I look at this way, with the upsets and embarassments we have seen in Boxing recently, do you really want to count Brock out???
Good Luck,
Coach
Lawrence was making Brock look bad OR Brock just looked bad...that left hook was set up more by Zuri's lack of experience I mean the guy said "How'd I do?" and I believe he also forgot his mouthpiece in his corner between rounds...and he took Brock into the 6th round. (Zuri has 30 wins and ZERO KO's I mean for the love of Christ who can do that?!?!?)
Calvin came out with the win vs 2 HORRID opponents 1 of whom Wlad crushed into the canvas over 10 rounds.
Wlad has been beat by 2 guys who could withstand his power and 1 guy who had huge power and was a southpaw....I see no such trouble for Wlad in a fight with Brock.
It's all well and good for Brock to have the do or die attitude but when it comes to this fight he can wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one gets filled first!
Wlad will destroy any heavy with ease including brock.
I think a lot of people are forgetting all the wins & all the devastating performances by Wlad in the past & just latching on to his 3 losses outta 44+ fights.
Wlad is a hell of a puncher & a much better boxer than Brock. I think that a lot of people are forgetting that also...that & the fact that he's got a much better jab & longer reach than Brock.
81 inches vs 77 might not seem like a stretch...but couple that with Wlad's height advantage & the fact that he made short work of a much more superior boxer in Byrd...yeah...it's time to count Brock out.
As much as I hate to say that...this is just the wrong fight for Brock right now.
Too true...Calvin is a good guy but Wlad is too big, too strong, and too experienced.
Let's just hope the Boxing Banker has saved some money for a rainy day, Because he is about to cash a check his a** can't cash.
I say that Brock will lose by Decision, Wlad cant put him out IMHO....
And possibly by chance, Wlad's overconfidence will get the best of him and Brock will beat him...
Truthfully, Brock doesnt have anything to lose by fighting Wlad, but, Wlad has alot to lose by screwing up and losing to Brock....So in the end, who really has more pressure on him to win...???
Just watch over the next month or so...
Do we know of the Venue>>??? Where, When and so forth.....
Good Luck,
Coach
Are you that power punching guy? I bet you are man!Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
Wladi knocks Brock out inside 3 rounds ! a real ass beat this one. IMO
Brock is a much safer fight then Briggs.
Briggs - Klitch was more of a dice shoot, who could get that punch in first. both fighters Tall strong Punchers , with the same type of Jaw durability or lack there of .
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
All Wlad has to lose is the belt...no one knows how good Brock is CoachQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
MADISON SQUARE GARDEN NOVEMBER 11TH
Wlad isn't over confident, his training with Manny has paid off big time...he destroyed Chris Byrd and he saw the openings for the punches before Manny even told him in the corner (Manny) "He's showing us the same thing that Peter did"; (Wlad) "I know, I saw it"...that sold me on how much Wlad has improved...and he's shown he has more heart than anyone ever thought getting up from knockdowns vs Sam Peter to win in dominant fashion.
Brock still has a lot of question marks and honestly I see him as another Bonecrusher Smith...he's talented but not to the point where he's a scary fight to make
Not just the belt my friend, he is still trying to solidify his position here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You dont think that losing his belt to someone like Brock would hurt him at all????
Brock can lose this fight and still be ok with that on his record....Sam Peter did it and I dont feel he is all that either....
Good Luck,
Coach
Well if no one really knows how good Brock is then you don't have anything to be afraid of if he loses Coach....I mean perhaps he's the kind of guy who just does enough to win everytime...I mean he's undefeated right now.
But in all honesty Wlad SHOULD can and will KO Calvin Brock before round 8
Well Brock is the best available guy out there, perhaps with the exception of Lyakovich.
If WK beats Brock, and he will, then he only needs to defeat Maskaev, and he will because Oleg is too slow, Valuev same, and Lyakovich, a tough fight he wll win by being bigger and more experienced, and perhaps toney, and then he can be a champ for 5 years. I mean soon he has met everyone who is a threat.
I would love to see Wlad: Toney down the line...Quote:
Originally Posted by plinden
Im a huge Toney fan, but im not insane enough to believe he would go in there and do a number on Wlad though!! ;D
You know, just because you see something doesn't mean you can stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
You can't compare that one guy did something to one opponent while another did it in this fashion because styles are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Zuri has 0 KO's but he's not a bad fighter. To make it THAT far and only have 0 Ko's is astounding! I think it's more impressivethen is made out to be. Everybody thought McCline would knock him out.
Brock is just too inexperianced at this time in his career to fight someone like the klitster ;)
He wasn't trying to stop anything he saw a hole in Byrd's defense and OBVIOUSLY nailed it the very next round causing the first knockdown of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Majesty I understand what you say about styles but the fact that it's hard for ANYONE to win rounds vs Wlad is good enough for me to say he can outbox Calvin Brock who has had trouble with BOXERS like Zuri Lawrence before. If Zuri had Wlad's jab he would be a lot better than he is right now.
Brock is a good guy and is right now what I would call more of a prospect than a contender...he's got some good fights but he doesn't have the power to stop a lot of guys (left hook on Lawrence aside other than that his power hasn't impressed me) he can't outbox a lot of guys either...he's a good average fighter which is very rare in this division but vs Wladimir Klitschko it just won't be enough.
Plus he's never been in with a puncher like this and I think it will show off his biggest weaknesses (defense and chin)
i like brock. i want him to win
Thats a fair statement :coolclick: I agree, I would will Brock to win...Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Would be tough though....very tough...
There is no way in hell Brock should when this fight, But stranger things have happen. Peter wins a Decision over Toney) I mean Robbery. Boxing is more corrupt now then ever.
Wouldn't we all shit if Brock destroyed him? :o
Would absolutely love to see that happen, but I doubt it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by ds91
Wlad win by knockout
Where there is a will there is a way....Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
As for the Toney fight, he fucked that up himself....1- he went into the ring looking like one huge fat fuckin blob, 2- he left the fight to the hands of the judges, 3- I had it close with Peter winning by split decision.....
So it wasnt robbery, it was Toney's usual stupidity from being hit in the head to much...
Good Luck,
Coach
Brock whipping Wlad will happen just as soon as Mayorga whips De la Hoya and TrinidadQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Have you ever thought of getting a bigger Sombrero??? I think the one you have on is a little to tight for your head....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes it's ooooh so tight I can't think staright...6'7 240 pound power punching BOXER vs a guy who has been an over achiever then an under achiever and really fights DOWN to the level of other fighters.
I'm not saying Brock is not good, I'm not saying Brock won't win a title, I'm just saying right now vs Wladimir Klitschko is not going to be his path to title town!
Look at Wlad's last 2 fights, Sam Peter and Chris Byrd...now Brock is nothing like those guys but A) They weren't chumps and B) He beat them with relative ease....bring up the knockdowns all you like that was actually a GOOD thing for Wlad's reputation he can get up off the canvas and win...no one not even YOU in all of your boxing knowledge thought that would happen!
Now Calvin Brock has fought Zuri Lawrence and Timor Ibragimov and was extremely unspectacular (with the exception of the KO punch....that ONE punch was more exciting than the rest of the fight). Zuri was in no way shape or form ready to be put on that stage...he asked his trainer "Did I do good?" which I know is something as a fighter you want to know but you don't ask like that it shows a lack of confidence. He also didn't put his mouthpiece back in before going back in to fight...Brock might as well have fought Joe Shmoe out of the audience!!! Timor showed us nothing and Brock showed even LESS by not getting rid of him...where was the punching power? Where were the combinations? Where were the tap dancing quick feet???
Brock is a good guy, a nice guy but look at him Coach he's AVERAGE...there is nothing that jumps out at me and says "HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!" Defense average, offense average, footwork average, combinations less than memorable, chin relatively unknown due to lack of fights with PUNCHERS.
Coach what the fuck do you see in him that shows you he can beat Wlad Klitschko? Is Wlad over confident? Is Wlad looking past him? Is Wlad going to get KO'd by HIS power but not Sam Peter's?
I will remind you that Wlad has trained hella hard lately and doesn't punch himself out he paces himself very well and if he needs to wait a round before KO-ing someone he does it instead of trying to force the KO...as evident in the Peter fight. Wlad absolutely NAILED Sam with crosses and could have thrown more but just outboxed him but still almost KO'd him.
Instead of sticking your ass in your mouth, how about actually reading a forum instead through it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
First off, I said nothing about Wlad getting KO'd, I said nothing about Brock dominating....
All I ever said about Brock is that he is the most level headed of the competitors that Wlad has fought recently, so level headed that he COULD POSSIBLY produce some difficulties for Wlad.....And maybe even pull out a win....
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
I even state that Wlad will win by decision....
What you need to do is seriously buy a smaller hat, it seems to be weighing down your brain and overloading your ass....
From now on, dont come in at the end of a forum, read the first few responses then make a response, read all the posts and then give your opinion....Then maybe, just maybe, you wont sound like a couch potato fan that thinks he knows all about boxing.....You can actually listen to someone who has firsthand insight and go from there....
When it comes to someone like Sam Peter, he is a one dimensional fighter....His only punch os a sloppy looping right hand that seldomly lands perfect, most of the time hitting in the back of the heads of his opponents as in the Klitschko fight....all but one knockdown were bad IMHO....Sam Peter should have waited about ten more fights before ever fighting someone like Klitshko, he was to inexperienced and never has been tested with accuracy and power. As for the recent Toney fight, Toney is an overdrawn bum and needed to retire a few years ago...I get disgusted when a guy that claims to be the best in boxing walks into the ring looking the way he does, Peter won that fight by the skin of his teeth and I gave it to him on my cards just because of the physical shape....
Chris Byrd, well, I have know this guy ever since we were amateur fighters in Michigan, he should have never left his Super Middle Weight class or should have even gone to light heavy....I knew him and his Brother Patrick and seen them fight against guys in our gym all the time...They were ok, not spectacular, they had awesome defense and some good counter punching....Being a heavyweight he had to perfect his shoot and run because he couldnt handle the power of fighters like Klitshko.
So yeah, actually Wlad fought two bums IMHO...He could have fought better competition out there..If we really had any better competition in the HW Div.!!!! I guess the Russians are here to stay for a while...
Have a good day,
Coach