As much as I dislike James Toney....

.....he won that fight clearly. He had to of outlanded Peter by a gross margin. And Peter's Rabbit punching was WAY WAY out of control. How convenient that Showtime doesn't show punchstat numbers.

Yes, Peter landed the heavier punches when he wasn't busy missing his target, but who in their right mind thought that he wouldn't be landing the heavier punches.

Also Sam Peter's rabbit punching was something that I was weary about in the Wlad fight.....while many of his supporters claimed it was Wlad's fault for turning his head, I had a small suspicion that perhaps it was a bad habbit on Peter's part....looks like I was right.

From this day forward I will never watch another fight without punchstat numbers again.

Trust me.....this isn't easy for me to concede to given that I can't stand James Toney, especially his fans (bunch of ghetto-rat pillow-biting pole-smokers), but he won that fight period.

I guess the powers that be feel that a heavy puncher will sell more tickets so Peter got the decision.

Sort of where I cam coming from...

Peter only landed heavier shots because:

HE IS HEAVIER

Plus he had a huge weight advantage... hard for Toney to turn him etc, which is why normally judges give points for scoring harder shots... because you have to set them up etc... it doesn't really apply... it wasn't through skill just size.

Toney got a chance versus Rahman. What did he do? Fought to a draw. Toney got a chance versus Peter but this time instead of being a draw (which would have been fair) they gave it to the other man.

Show up in top form and actually kick "arse" for a change.

I still have no problem with Peter winning. It is hard to justify the scoring. It was a close fight though. Peter had a point taken away, sure. However, if Toney wouldn't have been in arms reach of the ropes when he got rocked he would have went down and that point would have been meaningless. It didn't happen, but it did happen. If you follow me...

Actually I don;t think the loss will damage Toney's career. To me he seems more marketable now than he did just 24 hours ago.

He clearly won the fight, it was close but no way in hell that Peter, with a 1 point deduction won that fight, I just didn't see that at all.

I think Toney will get another title shot off the back of this defeat anway.

He's a bigger draw than Sam Peter and seeing as American's will be clamouring out for one of thier brave warriors to turn the tide against the Soviet Occupation I think Toney will still get the better offers.

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Actually I don;t think the loss will damage Toney's career. To me he seems more marketable now than he did just 24 hours ago.

He clearly won the fight, it was close but no way in hell that Peter, with a 1 point deduction won that fight, I just didn't see that at all.

I think Toney will get another title shot off the back of this defeat anway.

He's a bigger draw than Sam Peter and seeing as American's will be clamouring out for one of thier brave warriors to turn the tide against the Soviet Occupation I think Toney will still get the better offers.

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:coolclick: and agreed Bilbs!!!!!! Tell you what people will percieve Tony Like they did Klit when they stopped the fight against Lewis...Toney will overcome this small setback and kinda be the peoples champ so to say....(to the extent you can tolerate James Toney) LOL!!

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Actually I don;t think the loss will damage Toney's career. To me he seems more marketable now than he did just 24 hours ago.

He clearly won the fight, it was close but no way in hell that Peter, with a 1 point deduction won that fight, I just didn't see that at all.

I think Toney will get another title shot off the back of this defeat anway.

He's a bigger draw than Sam Peter and seeing as American's will be clamouring out for one of thier brave warriors to turn the tide against the Soviet Occupation I think Toney will still get the better offers.

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I agree with everything you said except that. Toney would be a fool to retire that much is certain.

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.....he won that fight clearly. He had to of outlanded Peter by a gross margin. And Peter's Rabbit punching was WAY WAY out of control. How convenient that Showtime doesn't show punchstat numbers.

Yes, Peter landed the heavier punches when he wasn't busy missing his target, but who in their right mind thought that he wouldn't be landing the heavier punches.

Also Sam Peter's rabbit punching was something that I was weary about in the Wlad fight.....while many of his supporters claimed it was Wlad's fault for turning his head, I had a small suspicion that perhaps it was a bad habbit on Peter's part....looks like I was right.

From this day forward I will never watch another fight without punchstat numbers again.

Trust me.....this isn't easy for me to concede to given that I can't stand James Toney, especially his fans (bunch of ghetto-rat pillow-biting pole-smokers), but he won that fight period.

I guess the powers that be feel that a heavy puncher will sell more tickets so Peter got the decision.

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Agree on the rabbit punches.....Peter should have been warned and deducted more than just one point...Toney showed onw thing in that aspect....He may be a S$#@ talker but not a cry baby

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.....he won that fight clearly. He had to of outlanded Peter by a gross margin. And Peter's Rabbit punching was WAY WAY out of control. How convenient that Showtime doesn't show punchstat numbers.

Yes, Peter landed the heavier punches when he wasn't busy missing his target, but who in their right mind thought that he wouldn't be landing the heavier punches.

Also Sam Peter's rabbit punching was something that I was weary about in the Wlad fight.....while many of his supporters claimed it was Wlad's fault for turning his head, I had a small suspicion that perhaps it was a bad habbit on Peter's part....looks like I was right.

From this day forward I will never watch another fight without punchstat numbers again.

Trust me.....this isn't easy for me to concede to given that I can't stand James Toney, especially his fans (bunch of ghetto-rat pillow-biting pole-smokers), but he won that fight period.

I guess the powers that be feel that a heavy puncher will sell more tickets so Peter got the decision.

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As for the comments on Toney Fans Blow ME

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

.....he won that fight clearly. He had to of outlanded Peter by a gross margin. And Peter's Rabbit punching was WAY WAY out of control. How convenient that Showtime doesn't show punchstat numbers.

Yes, Peter landed the heavier punches when he wasn't busy missing his target, but who in their right mind thought that he wouldn't be landing the heavier punches.

Also Sam Peter's rabbit punching was something that I was weary about in the Wlad fight.....while many of his supporters claimed it was Wlad's fault for turning his head, I had a small suspicion that perhaps it was a bad habbit on Peter's part....looks like I was right.

From this day forward I will never watch another fight without punchstat numbers again.

Trust me.....this isn't easy for me to concede to given that I can't stand James Toney, especially his fans (bunch of ghetto-rat pillow-biting pole-smokers), but he won that fight period.

I guess the powers that be feel that a heavy puncher will sell more tickets so Peter got the decision.

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I don't see how anyone could have given Peter more than 5 rounds and with the point deduction it seems that you would have judge fights only on agression to give Peter the decision. Or just really dislike him.

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

.....he won that fight clearly. He had to of outlanded Peter by a gross margin. And Peter's Rabbit punching was WAY WAY out of control. How convenient that Showtime doesn't show punchstat numbers.

Yes, Peter landed the heavier punches when he wasn't busy missing his target, but who in their right mind thought that he wouldn't be landing the heavier punches.

Also Sam Peter's rabbit punching was something that I was weary about in the Wlad fight.....while many of his supporters claimed it was Wlad's fault for turning his head, I had a small suspicion that perhaps it was a bad habbit on Peter's part....looks like I was right.

From this day forward I will never watch another fight without punchstat numbers again.

Trust me.....this isn't easy for me to concede to given that I can't stand James Toney, especially his fans (bunch of ghetto-rat pillow-biting pole-smokers), but he won that fight period.

I guess the powers that be feel that a heavy puncher will sell more tickets so Peter got the decision.

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Yea no kidding, Im not a getto rat pillow, whatever the hell he said... I just love to watch Toney fight... Why do people have such a hard time understanding that this is boxing, and Im a fan of Toney's because I like the way he boxes.. I would prefer he just not say anything that way more people would recognize what a great fighter he is, but whatever he does choose to say or however he acts out of the ring he will always back it up and fight his heart out.

Yer but this has been said about Taylor v Wright, Hatton v Collazo, Barrera v Juarez

End of the day people see it different to others, just cuz you think the pther fighter won doesnt make it right...

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Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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dumbass.

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Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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That kinda attitude is probably why you spend Saturday night's looking at this screen :)

It's a legit question, in the heavyweight division more than any other it matters how effective the punches are. So I say again, was Toney landing ineffective punches? Its the reason he didn't beat Rahman, and the reason most people don't want to see him at heavyweight.

Bitter anti-social asshole can't answer a simple question without being confrentational :lickish:

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Originally Posted by raleights

Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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dumbass.

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That kinda attitude is probably why you spend Saturday night's looking at this screen :)

It's a legit question, in the heavyweight division more than any other it matters how effective the punches are. So I say again, was Toney landing ineffective punches? Its the reason he didn't beat Rahman, and the reason most people don't want to see him at heavyweight.

Bitter anti-social asshole can't answer a simple question without being confrentational :lickish:

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It's tuesday morning and yesterday was the first time I posted on this forum in ages... You obviously haven't seen the fight so why dont u do so and then tell me what you think... Toney was landing some great punches and just because he couldn't hurt Peter doesn't mean he didn't box well and win the figtht over 12 rounds, he landed far more and far cleaner punches..

No I havn't seen the fight, which is why I'm asking the fucking question :)

Did someone shit in your cereal this morning?

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Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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You have a great point in asking this question.....pitterpat B*llsh*t doesn't fly in the HW division...not since the days of ALI....so if that's what Toney was throwing it would be easy to understand why he lost....

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Haven't seen the fight yet but from what I can tell many people believe Toney outlanded him by quite a bit.

My question is, was Toney landing his usual ineffective punches?

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You have a great point in asking this question.....pitterpat B*llsh*t doesn't fly in the HW division...not since the days of ALI....so if that's what Toney was throwing it would be easy to understand why he lost....

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Yeah ok, it was a good question, but it just wasn't the case... Toney was leading with his jab very well which he rarely does, and his usual counter punching WAS effective.. There was no pitter pat, Peter was just a rock compared to Toney, he couldn't hurt him, but he gained his respect that's for sure, and was scoring very well all night.