The Greatest of All Time in each individual division

I did this about a year ago, but I thought it would be interesting as it looks at different weights to the usual ones we always talk about

I haven't included every single division just the ones I consider to be the main ones.

See what you think and what your opinions are.


Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Alexis Arguello

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Light Heavyweight - Roy Jones

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

Maybe Bob Foster or Archie Moore for Light Heavy and RJJ for Super Middle?

You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Archie Moore...yeah I consider those guys greater but RJJ isn't too terribly far behind

FLYWEIGHT = JIMMY WILDE
BANTAMWEIGHT = PANAMA AL BROWN NEVER GOT STOPPED IN 170 FIGHTS
FEATHERWEIGHT = WILLIE PEP
SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT = ALEXIS ARGUELLO
LIGHTWEIGHT = ROBERTO DURAN
LIGHTWELTER= AARON PRYOR
WELTERWEIGHT = HENRY ARMSTRONG
JNR MIDDLEWEIGHT = MIKE MCCALLUM
MIDDLEWEIGHT = SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
SUPERMIDDLEWEIGHT= ROY JONES
LIGHTHEAVY WEIGHT = ARCHIE MOORE
CRUSIERWEIGHT = EVANDER HOLYFIELD
HEAVYWEIGHT= MUHAMMED ALI

Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

i couldnt think of many good smw so just put him up there big h

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Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

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Partly out of sentiment as I felt it would be wrong for Archie Moore not to be on the listand that Jones could be accommodated as the #1 Super Middle.

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You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Archie Moore...yeah I consider those guys greater but RJJ isn't too terribly far behind

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you're both smoking crack :)

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Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

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Jones wasn't half the fighter at LHW he was at SMW. He even retired from boxing in '96, but has ended up hanging around for 10 years because HBO let him choose his opponents - it was easy beating taxi drivers and firemen twice a year on boring decisions.

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Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

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Jones wasn't half the fighter at LHW he was at SMW. He even retired from boxing in '96, but has ended up hanging around for 10 years because HBO let him choose his opponents - it was easy beating taxi drivers and firemen twice a year on boring decisions.

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A greatest list has have something to do with achievement. He was only at Super Middle for 2 years and about 5 or 6 World Title fights, He was a Light Heavy for the best part of a decade with close to 20 world Title fights
what division do you think defines RJJ???

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You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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You list CW but not SMW?

And there's no way Jones Jr is the greatest LHW or even top five.

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Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Archie Moore...yeah I consider those guys greater but RJJ isn't too terribly far behind

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you're both smoking crack :)

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Lyle only remebers fighters defeats later in their career, he would of course still had Tommy Gibbons above Jones had jones retired after the Ruiz fight ;)

What the fuck are you on about BigH? I think your blind hatred of me has made you retarded!

RJJ was a great fighter but never had great FIGHTS at 175

Tell me why RJJ would be ahead of the guys I listed

because he would have beaten them? lol just my guess

If you believe Billy Conn would KO or UD Roy Jones, the tooth fairy is probably not a far fetched concept from where you sit

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What the F*** are you on about BigH? I think your blind hatred of me has made you retarded!

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To the contrary mate, I don't hate you, I don't even dislike you, I just like winding you up ;)

OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I did this about a year ago, but I thought it would be interesting as it looks at different weights to the usual ones we always talk about

I haven't included every single division just the ones I consider to be the main ones.

See what you think and what your opinions are.


Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Alexis Arguello

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Light Heavyweight - Roy Jones

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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not bad list at all big h cc

.....but Lyle to answer your previous question. Tommy Gibbons as never Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. Roy Jones dominated the division for the best part of 10 years


Hope this helps ;)

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OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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bowe isnt best hw ever though ;) and comment u made about pryor to be honest prime pryor beats about anyone the guy is a machine

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I did this about a year ago, but I thought it would be interesting as it looks at different weights to the usual ones we always talk about

I haven't included every single division just the ones I consider to be the main ones.

See what you think and what your opinions are.


Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Alexis Arguello

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Light Heavyweight - Roy Jones

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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not bad list at all big h cc

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Cheers m8, yours too, although I always say SRR may have been 5 times MW champion, but you have to lose it to win it again - Monzon & Hagler didn't lose it.

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Why are people considering RJJ a SMW and not a LHW - look at his defences and number of fights in each division. I was going to have Archie Moore at LHW, but I thought Jones nicked it on a.) more title fights & b.) I think he would've won a Head 2 Head.

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Jones wasn't half the fighter at LHW he was at SMW. He even retired from boxing in '96, but has ended up hanging around for 10 years because HBO let him choose his opponents - it was easy beating taxi drivers and firemen twice a year on boring decisions.

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A greatest list has have something to do with achievement. He was only at Super Middle for 2 years and about 5 or 6 World Title fights, He was a Light Heavy for the best part of a decade with close to 20 world Title fights
what division do you think defines RJJ???

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Dude, Jones was insane at 168. Watch the Harris and Malinga fights, and the finishing combo's on Pazienza and Thornton.

Jones' only great fight was against Toney. Take the Toney fight away and there's no way Jones is a HOF.

and reason why ali is at top of the list is because the guy beat everyone ken norton  jimmy young  earnie shavers ken norton joe fraizer george foreman jerry quarry jimmy ellis sonny liston hope this helps  ;) thanks for sc whoever done it ;)

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OK, well by that rational why is Hagler at 160? Taylor is bigger and a better boxer AND Ray Leonard "beat him" at 160.

Why is Aaron Pryor the best at 140? He beat Arguello and that's about it...why not Julio Cesar Chavez, Niccolino Locche or someone like that?

And why is Ali at the top of everyone's list? Riddick Bowe anyone??? And if you don't think a tip top Bowe couldn't beat Ali look at who beat Ali....Ken Norton, he was big and strong so was Bowe and Bowe was the far tougher and better boxer.

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totally different styles norton had crab defence and it confused ali

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.....but Lyle to answer your previous question. Tommy Gibbons as never Light Heavyweight Champion of the World. Roy Jones dominated the division for the best part of 10 years


Hope this helps ;)

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And so what about Charles, Moore, Foster, Spinks, etc????

Thanks for the help ;)

Ali beat those guys but it doesn't say anything about face to face match ups with Bowe, Lewis, Vitali (oh fuck yeah I said VITALI!)...Frazier - puncher and not a boxer, Foreman - huge puncher but not a smart fighter, Shavers - big puncher, tiny guy, questionable chin and stamina, QUARRY...HA, Young, Ellis, and Terrell were good boxers but couldn't punch, Liston was a great win, no doubt. Norton wasn't even really a boxer for all that long

HOWEVER

Bowe had all the power of a Sonny Liston, the chin and determination of Joe Frazier and he could box better than Ken Norton who was a weight lifter before he started boxing, and he was as big as George Foreman...so any way you slice it it's one tough fight for Ali

Lewis was BIGGER than anyone Ali ever fought, he had hellacious power, and he used his size as well if not better than Ali.

Vitali yes he was injury prone, yeah he got cut ONE TIME FROM A FREAK PUNCH (yes the thumb in the eye started that mess his face ended up in, no fault to Lewis it was an accident)...Vitali has KO'd all but 1 person he's ever beaten, he only lost when he was hurt, his style is extremely awkward, and he's got one hell of a chin.

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totally different styles norton had crab defence and it confused ali

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Foreman had a cross defense too

im not doubting bowe wasnt good fighter infact he is one of my favourte in hw division but he only had couple good wins of hes record so he isnt nowhere near alltime great but if ur on about skills bowe is up there with best of them

Yes I agree he only had a couple of good wins but does Bowe at HIS best beat Ali at HIS best?

i dont know mate tough match up i wouldnt like to say

Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Super Bantam - Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Marco Antonio Barrera

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe

Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Super Bantam - Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Marco Antonio Barrera

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe

Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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i wanted to do joe calzaghe but i wana wait till he gets few more good wins then hes going on my list ;)

IMO prime RJJ beats any SMW/LHW in history.

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Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Bantamweight - Carlos Zarate

Super Bantam - Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight - Wille Pepp

Superfeather - Marco Antonio Barrera

Lightweight - Roberto Duran

Lightwelter - Julio Cesar Chavez

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson

Middleweight - Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe

Light Heavyweight - Archie Moore

Cruiserweight - Evander Holyfiled

Heavyweight - Muhammad Ali

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i wanted to do joe calzaghe but i wana wait till he gets few more good wins then hes going on my list ;)

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I don't really see anyone else who deserves to be above him. Sure the other Brits (Eubank, Benn and Watson) might have had deeper competition...but 8 years dominating a division....that's unbeleivable.

yes it is mate i might just change my list ;)

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IMO prime RJJ beats any SMW/LHW in history.

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Greatest, imo, is based off of accomplishments. RJJ wins because he has all the benifits of modern training techniques and everything on his side. If it was a Best Fighter list, it would be almost all modern fighters.

Body head's list as follows

featherwieght: Manny pac

Super feather: Marco antonio barrerra

Lightwieght:roberto duran

Light welter: julio cesar chavez/ pernell whittaker

welter:Sugar ray robinson.. (would have been middle which he is also the greatest but i thought someone else might fancy a chance!)

light middle:Winky wright ( i know some people dont think he a legend, but hes a goddamn good fighter and i like the guy)

middlewieght : bernard hopkins ( big fan of the exectutioner and if its not goner be srr bhop is the only other to clear up the middlewieght division)

super middle : james toney ( i loved the days when toney was the man to beat in the middle and super middleweight divisions, hes always been entertaining)

light heavy : roy jones junior ( there are things to be said about the level of competion but as far as style skill and entertainment goes he is my man!!)

cruiser: the real deal evander ( not a great fan of the cruiserwieght division, its never been greatly popular.... but evander certainly isnt my greatest at heavy where he made his name, and hes probably the only cruiserweight ive been a fan of, except for james toneys brief spell!)

heavywieght : Muhamad Ali ( i dont feel he is the greatest 'boxer' ever.... he is at heavywieght... its just i feel its more of a generation thing....
but as a man he was no doubt the greatest entertaining, could talk till the cows came home and had the greatest catch phrases ever, great style great career never ducked a man, and nobody will ever forget him for what he did for the sport of boxing.)

" Muhammad Ali i rate number four as a boxer, but hes at number one as a man!!"
-Big George Foreman.

peace

Feather - Willie Pep and honorable mention to Salvador Sanchez
Super Feather - Manny Pacquiao (based on his potential to stay there for a while...he COULD eclipse MAB)
Lightweight - Duran
140 - Julio Cesar Chavez
Welter - Ray Robinson
154 - Oscar De la Hoya ( had they had 154 since the begining of boxing, Robinson would be here too)
Middle - Ray Robinson
Super Middle - Harry Greb (they didn't have that division back then but he fought most his fights at that weight)
Light Heavy - Gene Tunney/Ezzard Charles
Cruiser - Evander Holyfield
Heavyweight - Joe Louis

to be quite honest i dont know of any fighters in the less known divisions like bantam super bantam minimum wieght and all those classes, and to lesser an extent the cruiserwight division isnt greatly popular i mean there are some great fighters at cruiserwieght but its only recently ive been bothered with fights and fighters at cruiserweight!
but i was wondering how do you guys rank the lesser known and unshown divisions?
peace

In My opinion Roy Jones Jr would beat a lot of boxers that people have put ahead of him on here...I am pretty sure he would off took Archie Morrow anyway...

CC Big man,awesome thread,when I get time,I'll post my list! Yours looks pretty close to mine though!

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In My opinion Roy Jones Jr would beat a lot of boxers that people have put ahead of him on here...I am pretty sure he would off took Archie Morrow anyway...

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ARCHIE MOORE WAS GREAT BOXER I WOULDNT LIKE TO SAY WHO WOULD WIN BUT I DO KNOW ARCHIE MOORE IS TOUGHER THAN ROY JONES