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Collazo speaks about Cotto and Quintana and others.....
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Boxing’s equivalent of hitting the lottery is being a champ in a division that inherits a popular fighter. That division becomes the new darling, one where people take notice and that champ becomes an attractive prospect. In the case of the welterweight division, hitting the lottery doesn’t come close to describing how hot the division has become. With names like Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, Shane Mosley and the winning ticket known as Floyd Mayweather all either plying their trade here or speculating about their transition into it, the division has become white hot.
All would seem rosy for a guy like former WBA welterweight champion Luis Collazo right? The man is a former titlist who gave a great account of himself in Ricky Hatton’s debut at welterweight. In fact, ask many who saw the fight in Boston and they will tell you Collazo won that night despite being on the wrong end of a decision.
Yet when people start to speculate about all the mouth watering matchups welterweight has to offer, rarely, if ever, is the name Luis Collazo brought up. The buzz around the division seems to either focus on the names coming into the division such as Mayweather, Mosley and Hatton or the young prospects of the division. First it was Columbian knockout specialist Joel Julio, who was being pushed into the spotlight as the possible next big thing. That was until he outworked by Carlos Quintana, who then became the new hot name. The latest is Paul Williams who earned his distinction as the “Next Big Thing” by beating the raw Walter Matthysse and current gatekeeper Sharmba Mitchell.
“We tried to do a Quintana fight but if I beat him, his team wanted a two fight deal on me,” said Collazo. “Now he’s the number two ranked fighter, scheduled to fight for the title against Oktay Urkal. Williams is the mandatory for Antonio Margarito. I’m still waiting for a fight. You really can’t tell what these guys are all about since they haven’t fought anybody. How are they going to be considered worthy of a title shot when they haven’t proven themselves?”
How overlooked has Collazo become? Consider that Boxrec.com has him ranked as the number 42 welterweight of the world, lower than Cosme Rivera, who we last saw on TV being obliterated by Zab Judah in three rounds; lower than Manuel “Shotgun” Gomez, who lasted all of one minute and 14 seconds in his fight with WBO Champ Margarito. One spot above him? Matthysse.
“I am ranked behind who?” asks Collazo. “It’s horrible man. I don’t know what it’s going to take to get the respect I deserve but it seems like all these guys are only interested in the money and not the match up. The politics in boxing are frustrating for sure.”
However, not all is lost for the Brooklynite. For the past month, Team Collazo has been trying to get Miguel Cotto’s attention in hopes that they can lure the Puerto Rico native to fight the New York based Puerto Rican, Collazo.
“I hear he is moving up to 147 so I would love to fight him. I want to expose him as the overrated fighter he is. Let Urkal and Quintana fight for the title. The Puerto Rican fans would definitely want to see a fight between me and Cotto. I know the fans in Puerto Rico would go for Cotto but I know I would get much love from the Puerto Rican fans in New York being Nuyorican myself. I know they would pull for me in Atlantic City.”
What does Collazo think about his chances against the hard punching Cotto?
“I would do the same thing to Cotto I did to Hatton when he came up straight from 140 to try for a title. After I exposed him you saw that he went back down to 140. Cotto would do the same thing. Who knows, maybe after I expose Miguel, he and Hatton can make that big fight at 140 they have been talking about.”
Even if a fight with Cotto doesn’t come off this year (it’s apparent that Cotto will instead fight Quintana in December), Collazo knows he has to stay active for the day when he actually has an opponent finally in front of him.
“I stay in the gym all year long. Nothing major, just to stay active and maintain that level for the time I get back in the ring”
Hopefully it’s not too much longer for him, or the next time we see him ranked he may end up lower than Kelson Pinto. I will let you search boxrec to see where Pinto is ranked.
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Poor Luis Collazo, he's definatly earned himself a shot at welter against another big name, he belongs in the group of fighters that you'd pool at least Williams/Quintana/Julio/Cotto/Hatton based on talent and skills, but he isn't a marketable commodity, I think thats because New York already has their fave fighters, and he isn't really the most charismatic fighter in the game.
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CC,good read and I feel for him,he gave Hatton the shot,did not have to but did,lost the title,can't get a rematch as Hatton has moved back down and he's lost his ranking to Urkal/Cotto/Quintana! He's skiled and I under rated him,I'll admit that!
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The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
Why do you have Cintron over Quintana?
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
Why do you have Cintron over Quintana?
These are not necessarily in order of rank, just a list of who Collazo needs to beat to move up in my book.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
Why do you have Cintron over Quintana?
These are not necessarily in order of rank, just a list of who Collazo needs to beat to move up in my book.
I should have said why is Cintron on the list at all?
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
Why do you have Cintron over Quintana?
These are not necessarily in order of rank, just a list of who Collazo needs to beat to move up in my book.
I should have said why is Cintron on the list at all?
Because he beat Estrada, who was higher ranked and better than anyone that Collazo beat. Cintron has won the eliminator, which moves him up in rank, no? Are you saying that Cintron is not in the top 35 of the welterweight division? Moreover, why would you rank Collazo higher than Cintron?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC,good read and I feel for him,he gave Hatton the shot,did not have to but did,lost the title,can't get a rematch as Hatton has moved back down and he's lost his ranking to Urkal/Cotto/Quintana! He's skiled and I under rated him,I'll admit that!
I became a Collazo fan after the Hatton fight....I am disgusted with Hatton for ducking Him and denying a rematch...real champs/fighters give rematches.....
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Killer,I understand what you are saying but Collazo has a belt,beat Rivera and toook Hatton the distance,that's more impressive than anything say Williams has done!
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC,good read and I feel for him,he gave Hatton the shot,did not have to but did,lost the title,can't get a rematch as Hatton has moved back down and he's lost his ranking to Urkal/Cotto/Quintana! He's skiled and I under rated him,I'll admit that!
I became a Collazo fan after the Hatton fight....I am disgusted with Hatton for ducking Him and denying a rematch...
real champs/fighters give rematches.....
so then you don't like Kostya Tszyu then?
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yea Tyzu gave Mitchell a rematch, why? because it deserved it, by giving him a hard close fight, why didn't he give Judah a rematch? oh yea because he dropped him like a bad habit and made him do the ever so famous Judah shuffle, and he did it just in the 2nd round
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??? How about if Collazo stops moaning and starts fighting!
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC,good read and I feel for him,he gave Hatton the shot,did not have to but did,lost the title,can't get a rematch as Hatton has moved back down and he's lost his ranking to Urkal/Cotto/Quintana! He's skiled and I under rated him,I'll admit that!
I became a Collazo fan after the Hatton fight....I am disgusted with Hatton for ducking Him and denying a rematch...
real champs/fighters give rematches.....
so then you don't like Kostya Tszyu then?
"Would you give Zab a rematch?"
"Remember what Zab said at press conference - ze winner takes alllll !" replied Tszyu
Judah said so much crapp about Kostya before the fight, marching in with his huge posse including Tyson:
"Zab frightened - he need gang around him telling him he's the best and to tell him he win"
"He all alone in the ring....except for meee!"
"Zab gave me biggest punch, but i still here - he hit me with best and Tszyu is still there!"
"Zab like little boy....gimme gimme...like boy who wants toy" Tszyu refering to Zab when ref stopped him.
"He is really..really hurt..straight on the chin..his eyes...gone...he would get really hurt if fight continue... he is just young kid with whole life to live" on replay of KO
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Killer,I understand what you are saying but Collazo has a belt,beat Rivera and toook Hatton the distance,that's more impressive than anything say Williams has done!
Back to Cintron, he had a belt, WBO Welterweight, which he then handed over to Margarito. As far as I know Collazo does not have a belt anymore either. Cintron has a better record, AND has another fight scheduled, WTF is Collazo doing right now except for bitchin?
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Killer,I understand what you are saying but Collazo has a belt,beat Rivera and toook Hatton the distance,that's more impressive than anything say Williams has done!
Back to Cintron, he had a belt, WBO Welterweight, which he then handed over to Margarito. As far as I know Collazo does not have a belt anymore either. Cintron has a better record, AND has another fight scheduled, WTF is Collazo doing right now except for bitchin?
Well I disagree,he has a right to man. He has gone from title holder to losing it all,not getting a rematch,a match with Quintana did not comethrough,he can't fight Cotto and this is all after his best performance of his career!!!
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Collazo's problem is similar to Witter's situation after Zab beat him. He is in the "who needs him" catagory. Not many promoters will want to risk their fighters against Collazo after what he did to Hatton.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Killer,I understand what you are saying but Collazo has a belt,beat Rivera and toook Hatton the distance,that's more impressive than anything say Williams has done!
Back to Cintron, he had a belt, WBO Welterweight, which he then handed over to Margarito. As far as I know Collazo does not have a belt anymore either. Cintron has a better record, AND has another fight scheduled, WTF is Collazo doing right now except for bitchin?
What are you smoking :o Citron never had The WBO welterweight belt Margarito has had it since 2002 and he defended it against Citron and got his ass beat down ::**
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume.  The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out.  He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that.  I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather         
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir       
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris           
Paul Williams         
Oktay Urkal       
Juan Lazcano       
Kermit Cintron         
Carlos Quintana       
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant       
Cosme Rivera         
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz         
Kevin Anderson       
Steve Forbes       
Sharmba Mitchell
When u read that list it really does open your eyes to how good the welter division has become. Its definately the division to watch and surely where the most money is these days.
Although he doesnt have big name wins on his record, anyone that can go to war with Hatton like Collazo did gets my respect. I rate Collazo but I think when he comes up against the real big names he will get found out.
A bit like Demarcus Corley in a way that he is a test but not really a top contender(Although he has won a title).
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Man I got pwned on this thread lol.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
vivian Harris - Has NEVER fought at welterweight
Oktay Urkal - Only fought 3 times at welter (agains Klose, Nestenako and Rimer) BIG BIG names there isnt there???
Lazcano - Never fought at welter, Onlt fought 3 times at lightwelter
Trabant - Fought no one at welterweight except Rivera who he lost too. (collazo beat Rivera)
Klose - Lost to Urkal and trabant who are not too good (see above)
Cosme Rivera - KO'd in 3 by Judah, Lost to Morua who has lost to ben rabah (the guy who got beat by urango)
Mitchell - LOL, This guy is seriously past it now and he never really had it did he?? always got found out at the top level.
Based on all this i find it UNBELIEVABLE that you rank Collazo way way below them, How can a guy go from being world champ, putting in a great performance but narrowly getting beat to ranked 35 in the world, Some 15- 20 places below people above. SCANDALOUS!
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Originally Posted by RHHatton
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
vivian Harris - Has NEVER fought at welterweight
Oktay Urkal - Only fought 3 times at welter (agains Klose, Nestenako and Rimer) BIG BIG names there isnt there???
Lazcano - Never fought at welter, Onlt fought 3 times at lightwelter
Trabant - Fought no one at welterweight except Rivera who he lost too. (collazo beat Rivera)
Klose - Lost to Urkal and trabant who are not too good (see above)
Cosme Rivera - KO'd in 3 by Judah, Lost to Morua who has lost to ben rabah (the guy who got beat by urango)
Mitchell - LOL, This guy is seriously past it now and he never really had it did he?? always got found out at the top level.
Based on all this i find it UNBELIEVABLE that you rank Collazo way way below them, How can a guy go from being world champ, putting in a great performance but narrowly getting beat to ranked 35 in the world, Some 15- 20 places below people above. SCANDALOUS!
See the post above yours, I have already ceceded the point ;)
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I think, as Hatton put it himself:
"with only 7 weeks notice, it was more like a fight between the light-welter champ and the welter champ"
Hatton didn't really have a game plan going into that and for all his 'taking him seriously' bluster beforehand..i dont think Hatton actually did.
Perhaps the narrow win for Ricky has brought him down to earth and possibly a blessing in disguise - a moment of fear before the results were read out must have jolted Hatton...it must have.
I think we'll perhaps see the best of Hatton over his next few fights - he'll not slip up again like that.
With regards Luis Collazo - he's a fighter that only fans want to see - as any boxers around him are probably thinking he's a big risk with little reward - a bogeyman.
I think perhaps Hatton made luis look slightly and i mean slightly, better than he is.
With hindsight, it was more a case of Hatton looking so beatable in that fight that shocked the mind, rather than Luis looking so amazing.
Collazo has fast hands and good skills which nobody can argue - like a bigger Malignaggi - but i dont see anything more than that.
Nonetheless, he is a league above some other fighters at Welter - far more worthy of a title challenge than Gatti - and even Zab Judah, right here and now.
I look forward to seeing Luis Collzo in action again real soon.
I for one will be keeping an eye out for the announcement.
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Originally Posted by RHHatton
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
vivian Harris - Has NEVER fought at welterweight
Oktay Urkal - Only fought 3 times at welter (agains Klose, Nestenako and Rimer) BIG BIG names there isnt there???
Lazcano - Never fought at welter, Onlt fought 3 times at lightwelter
Trabant - Fought no one at welterweight except Rivera who he lost too. (collazo beat Rivera)
Klose - Lost to Urkal and trabant who are not too good (see above)
Cosme Rivera - KO'd in 3 by Judah, Lost to Morua who has lost to ben rabah (the guy who got beat by urango)
Mitchell - LOL, This guy is seriously past it now and he never really had it did he?? always got found out at the top level.
Based on all this i find it UNBELIEVABLE that you rank Collazo way way below them, How can a guy go from being world champ, putting in a great performance but narrowly getting beat to ranked 35 in the world, Some 15- 20 places below people above. SCANDALOUS!
I've never even heard of Kevin Anderson.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by RHHatton
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Originally Posted by killersheep
The thing with Collazo (and I believe that the boxrec standings indicate this)
He doesn't have an impressive resume. The only real "win" on his record is Jose Antonio Rivera, which was a war, which he barely eeked out. He is currently ranked 35th on boxrec and I agree with that. I'd be more than happy to move him up, if he beat anyone from this list:
Floyd Mayweather
Antonio Margarito
Carlos Manuel Baldomir
Zab Judah
Vivian Harris
Paul Williams
Oktay Urkal
Juan Lazcano
Kermit Cintron
Carlos Quintana
Frederic Klose
Michel Trabant
Cosme Rivera
Joshua Clottey
Oscar Diaz
Kevin Anderson
Steve Forbes
Sharmba Mitchell
vivian Harris - Has NEVER fought at welterweight
Oktay Urkal - Only fought 3 times at welter (agains Klose, Nestenako and Rimer) BIG BIG names there isnt there???
Lazcano - Never fought at welter, Onlt fought 3 times at lightwelter
Trabant - Fought no one at welterweight except Rivera who he lost too. (collazo beat Rivera)
Klose - Lost to Urkal and trabant who are not too good (see above)
Cosme Rivera - KO'd in 3 by Judah, Lost to Morua who has lost to ben rabah (the guy who got beat by urango)
Mitchell - LOL, This guy is seriously past it now and he never really had it did he?? always got found out at the top level.
Based on all this i find it UNBELIEVABLE that you rank Collazo way way below them, How can a guy go from being world champ, putting in a great performance but narrowly getting beat to ranked 35 in the world, Some 15- 20 places below people above. SCANDALOUS!
See the post above yours, I have already ceceded the point ;)
No probs ;D
