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What if Tyson had gotten a crack at the undisputed Heavy Weight Championship after Lennox Lewis had been KO'd by Hasim Rahman. So around 2001. Do you think Mike would have been able to knock Rahman out, becoming the only HW in history to have held the title in three differnt decades? I would have to say Yes. Not that Rahman wouldn't have a chance, he would if he could hang in there long enough. But Tyson would have had a damn good shot of knocking him out cold at that time in my mind.
yeah its true, he could definetly of beaten him
Yeah i wonder what this would of done in terms of Mike's greatness if he did that, which im very confident he could of done. Or people might just say hes living of Lennox's leftovers?!
YES Tyson would have beaten Hasim because Hasim although physically gifted, has the longest arms in the division today but doesn't use it to his advantage.
Rahman is not a smart fighter, he's not trained in a smart manner, he doesn't fight in a smart manner, and it has haunted him in his career, examples:
1. Lost to Oleg Maskaev TWICE the same way...he tried to brawl AGAIN and got KO'd AGAIN.
2. In training for a rematch with Lennox Lewis he used Monte Barrett and DaVaryl Williamson as sparring partners for the 6'5 250 pound heavyweight.
3. He has hired and fired NUMEROUS trainers in search of a good style to suit him...Buddy McGirt would have done him well had Hasim listened to him.
...it would have been a great fight to see as would these Tyson fights that could have happened:
Oleg Maskaev
Kirk Johnson
John Ruiz
Chris Byrd
Michael Moorer
Vassily Jirov
Jameel McCline
Shannon Briggs
Riddick Bowe
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
(South Africa) Corey Sanders
James Toney
Roy Jones Jr.
Lamon Brewster
In my opinion he would neither have lost all of them or won all of them but they would have been better theater than ooooh let's say the Savarese debacle
i think that Tyson was completely done after the FIRST loss to Holyfield, he completely broke down in the rematch and after that continued to just further damage his legacy, I honestly think that he could have won the title from Rahman, but again he wouldn't of gotten any real credit, the people would have wanted to see Tyson/Holyfield III and then he'd go and have another breakdown
Tyson's legacy is set in stone as the youngest and most devastating heavyweight of his time if not of all time, name another heavyweight who brought the excitement Tyson did. He has another legacy to go with the first one too, but he'll always be remembered and brought up in the heavyweight talks. So he has a two legacy's that people will talk about for years and years that will never go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
true, but also when you talk abou this legacy you'll have no choice but to bring up his drastic decline after his loss to Douglas, and then even worse his loss to Holyfield, IMO Holyfield was a more EXCITING HW cause he would fight his opponants fight and for the most part still come out the winner
Tyson showed he was a warrior, vs razor ruddock, mayb ruddock wasnt a holyfeild but he sure fought his bst hes ever fought vs mike, imo that was good enough to show tyson had a chin and a heart
Everything has to be brought up, thats what legacy's are all about and Tyson has several actually, youngest heavy champ, devastating puncher, rapist, overall nut job after biting Holyfield, we all know he's been done for a long time now but he still generates all kind of interest and some still want him to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
As far as Holyfield, I have been a big fan ever since he beat Ricky Womack of Detroit in the Olympic boxoff's 2 straight times. His disqualification in the Olympics may have made him a bigger star starting his pro career then if he would have came home with the gold. ( Same with RJJ) Holyfield was great and I always rooted for him and especially against Tyson. I never liked those loud mouth a**holes like Tyson and dare I say it Ali. But their all great and will go down in history regardless of what they do now.
i think tyson would have ebaten rahman. shame taht the fith never happened. i would have liked to have seen a 1995 version of mike in with todays best HWs. it would be interesting to see what taht version of him could accomplish.
Hey 90's Mike wasn good well aside from losses to Evander and Buster. He won World Championships and gave us excitement and of course the highest PPVs available.
This fight was going to happen before Lewis took Rahman to court to enforce the rematch clause. He was scared Rahman would lose to Mike then his rematch with Hasim meant nothing, he then took Mike to court to stop a Mercer warm up fight just before their match, he was to scared Mike would sharpen up
This is one reason that proves Lennox never really wanted to fight Mike while he was a going concern in 96 rather than enforce his mandatory he gladly took the money and ran
COOL CLICK HULK thats rather interesting
well considering lennox did rahman in the rematch in 5 ( wasnt it? think it was)
i think tyson...though past his prime still! would have knocked the rock out
would have been a sweet accomplishment and would have been a sweet time to retire too!!
cc for hulk!! i never even thought of this situation it something to think about!! guess there was no chance lennox wast gona get an imediate rematch though! im pretty glad lennox got the immediate rematch it was a sweet fight
peace
The thing is that Tyson fighting ANYONE is exciting....up until he lost to Danny Williams
Thanks. CC back to you and BestP4P. I was just playin Fight Night round 3 a couple weeks ago, and the thought of this match came to me. Then I forgot about it for a while, then remebered it and thought I should bring it up on here, and think what you guys all think. It would have been something had Tyson KO'd Rahman and taken the HW title. I don't believe any of that BS of Lennox trying to duck Mike, or bein worried about him sharpening up his skills against Mercer, if anything he'd be worried Mercer might be able to so somehow beat Tyson, thought that is doubtful around 2000-2002. Anyway had Tyson beaten Rahman, you know he would have avoided Lennox for as long as he could, then fought him for the big money and gotten thrashed like he did. By that time he just wasn't beating Lewis, and I like Tyson better than Lewis, but it's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by body head banger
Here is how I see the headlines reading if those fights had happendQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Mike Tyson vs-
Oleg Maskaev Tyson 8th R KO
Kirk Johnson Tyson 6th R KO
John Ruiz Tyson 1st R KO ( Ruiz is shit) ;D
Chris Byrd Tyson 7th R KO
Michael Moorer Tyson 4th R KO
Vassily Jirov Tyson 3rd R KO
Jameel McCline McCline 7th R TKO
Shannon Briggs Tyson 4th r KO
Riddick Bowe Bowe 10th R KO
Vitali Klitschko Klitschko 6 R KO
Wladimir Klitschko Kiltschko 8 R KO
(South Africa) Corey Sanders Tyson 4 R KO
James Toney Toney 12 unan Des
Roy Jones Jr. Tyson 11 R KO ( Tyson down on the score cards)
Lamon Brewster Tyson 3 R KO
Tyson would have to have caught Rahman early & hoped he stayed down.
Tyson was shot long before 2001 & did not have the heart or stamina for a tough fight.
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I hate to disagree but here's how I see those fights happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Oleg Maskaev - Tyson TKO 6, Oleg gets hit too much
Kirk Johnson - Tyson KO 3
John Ruiz - Ruiz UD or DQ, his grabbing style is a lot like Holyfield and it would piss old Mike off big time
Chris Byrd - Byrd UD or DQ, Chris could take a punch and when he was slick he'd just tire Tyson out
Michael Moorer - Tyson KO 1 vs the old Moorer but vs the mid 90's Moorer I see it going 6 before Tyson catches him
Vassily Jirov - Tyson KO 6
Jameel McCline - Tyson swinging for the fences vs Jameel is PERFECT. TKO 3
Shannon Briggs -Briggs TKO 5
Riddick Bowe - Prime Bowe KO 8, older Bowe KO 10
Vitali Klitschko - Vitali KO 7
Wladimir Klitschko -Wlad TKO 8
(South Africa) Corey Sanders - Sanders TKO 8
James Toney - Toney TKO 8
Roy Jones Jr. - RJJ UD or DQ
Lamon Brewster - Tyson TKO 5
I just think that Mike has NEVER EVER EVER lost by decision and he would either get hammered out or quit before he did vs any of these guys....I love watching Tyson fight but once you think honestly about who he could beat post 1991 it's VERY depressing.
And just think with crafty or awkward fighters like Byrd and Ruiz....you have to figure Tyson would try to break their arms or headbutt or something.
Sorry, but I don't see a Klitschko knocking out Mike Tyson at around this time. Maybe Vitali, who seemed to have a decent chin, would have been able to. But certainly not Wlad, who would have gotten hit, freaked out, and been stopped. Prime or 90s Tyson kills either Klit brother. 01, I love Roy Jones, but he couldn't hurt Mike, and unless he just tired him out, Tyson would knock Roy out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
What good fighter in the 90's did Tyson beat? Rudduck??? He hurt Mike! Frans Botha was out fighting and out boxing Mike until he got nailed and if Frans had any power he would have beat Mike!
The only DECENT fighter Tyson beat was Golota and that was a blueprint victory and GOLOTA QUIT...he weathered Tyson's early shots and could have gone on if he wasn't a jackass!
The truth is Mike was 100% done after Buster Douglas he mailed in the rest of his career
Tommy Morrison would have beat him, Ray Mercer would have beat him, ....the list goes on
Mercer, maybe.... Morrison..No way! ;D Now Tommy loved to brawl, and had a ton of heart, but was a bit chinny, Mike woulda ate him up. Michael Moorer would have been iced quickly. Briggs, mighta given Mike trouble for a while, but eventually he would have been stopped. 90s Tyson was no joke, Bowe, Lewis and Holyfield were about the only guys capable of beating him. I thinke Tyson would have beaten Bowe myself, but its' kind of a toss up. You are underrating Tyson a bit, and definately overrating the Klitschkos Lyle, as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....Tyson had NO boxing skill after Rooney left and he had no drive for success after Douglas beat him.
Hulk it's true Tyson was nothing more than a journeyman after prison...had he fought anyone good he would have lost.
I think Rahman would of done just as good a job on (2002)Tyson as Lewis did (Bar the KO).
Rahman would jab, box and escape any real danger for 6 to 7 rounds then there condition would dwindle and the fight would probably wind up a bit of a snooze fest. Hasim running, spoiling. Tyson not doing much ecept lunching into a one punch attack then submitting to a clinch. >:mad
i agree with that list bowe would of beat tyson but wladimir wouldnt of beat tyson because he hasnt got good chin and tyson would crack that jaw sooner or laterQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Well from what we all see from the Peter fight, it would of finished before it began!
Rahman likes to brawl too much...see the Maskaev fights....Tyson would have cracked him not because he was still a good fighter but because of his power. That's the only thing that kept him winningQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBoogie