Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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He has to fight somebody.. It's been a year and a half since his only decent win.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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He has to fight somebody.. It's been a year and a half since his only decent win.

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Yeah I agree with that,very poor activity levels this year for Tony. I still want to know why Ring ratings are so much better than other rankings though,can anyone help?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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He has to fight somebody.. It's been a year and a half since his only decent win.

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Yeah I agree with that,very poor activity levels this year for Tony. I still want to know why Ring ratings are so much better than other rankings though,can anyone help?

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I think The Ring's ratings get the most respect because they have been doing it the longest. You can't help but having bias in any rating system check this out, I think that the Ring's list is just as good or better than anyone elses

The Ring

(C) CARLOS BALDOMIR 43-9-6 (13)
1 FLOYD MAYWEATHER 36-0 (24)
2 ANTONIO MARGARITO 33-4 (24)
3 ZAB JUDAH 34-4 (25)
4 LUIS COLLAZO 26-2 (12)
5 KERMIT CINTRON 26-1 (24)
6 OKTAY URKAL 37-3 (11)
7 ARTURO GATTI 40-8 (31)
8 PAUL WILLIAMS 31-0 (23)
9 CARLOS QUINTANA 23-0 (18)
10 JOSHUA CLOTTEY 29-1 (18)

BoxRec

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Ricky Hatton
3 Antonio Margarito
4 Carlos Manuel Baldomir
5 Zab Judah
6 Paul Williams
7 Juan Lazcano
8 Arturo Gatti
9 Kermit Cintron
10 Carlos Quintana

Fightnews

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Antonio Margarito
3. Carlos Baldomir
4. Paul Williams
5. Zab Judah
6. Luis Collazo
7. Kermit Cintron
8. Carlos Quintana
9. Joshua Clottey
10. Otkay Urkal
11. Frederic Klose
12. Demetrius Hopkins
13. Arturo Gatti
14. Joel Julio
15. Walter Matthysse
16. Mark Suarez

WBO

(C) Antonio Margarito
1. Paul Williams
2. Shane Mosley
3. Carlos Quintana
4 . Jan Zaveck
5. Joshua Clottey
6. Kermit Cintron
7. Luis Collazo
8. Michael Trabant
9. Mark Suarez
10. Zab Judah
11. Joel Julio
12. Cosme Rivera
13. Mehrdud Takalobighoshi
14. Kelvin Anderson
15. Vitaliy Demyanenko

IBF

1 Mark Suarez
2 Kermit Cintron
3 Floyd Mayweather
4 Luis Collazo
5 Paul Williams
6 Joshua Clottey
7 Sharmba Mitchell
8 Frederik Klose
9 Carlos Quintana
10 Thomas Damgaard
11 Walter Matthysse
12 David Estrada
13 James Webb
14 Roberto Garcia
15 Chad Bennett

WBA

(C) Ricky Hatton
1. Oktay Urkal
2. Carlos Quintana
3. Luis Collazo
4. Frederic Klose
5. Joel Jair Julio
6. Mark Suarez
7. Paul Williams
8. Demetrious Hopkins
9. Farkhad Bakirov
10. Marco Avendano
11. Oscar Diaz
12. Yuriy Nuzhnenko
13. Nelson Linares
14. Delvin Rodriguez
15. Alpaslam Aguzum

WBC

(C) Carlos Baldomir
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Paul Williams
3. Carlos Quintana
4. Joshua Clottey
5. Luis Collazo
6. Miguel Rodriguez
7. Julio Garcia
8. Arturo Gatti
9. Joseph Makaringe
10. Jackson Osei Bonsu
11. Joel Julio
12. Mark Suarez
13. Alpaslam Aguzum
14. Sharmba Mitchell
15. Irving Garcia

CC Killer,I think they all seem to be a bit wack,I mean Boxrec,Lazcano?? ;D

Correct me if I'm wrong but not only is there not that much difference between the rankings BUT wasn't the RING the only 1 which has ACTAULLY been found of fixing it's rankings(I have a relaible source-BRITKID ;D)

I just don't see why they are so hihgly rated,just look like another ranking system to me,as confused as the others.

I like to see Dan Rafaels Rankings he has good explanations for where fighters are on his lists.

I like Rafael,Fischer and a few others too and would rather hear what they had to say,independent writers,boxing fans like us,kind of like by the people for the people. Their rankings usually make more sense and even if you don't agree,they put forward an explanation for their ranking,these bodies,and ring,seem like mindless organisations using boxing statistics to control their rankings. That's just how it seems to to me but hey,I'm an open person,I want to know why RING is seen as the best.

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Originally Posted by aangel

I like to see Dan Rafaels Rankings he has good explanations for where fighters are on his lists.

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Dan Rafael's List for Welter

1. Carlos Baldomir
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Antonio Margarito
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Luis Collazo
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermit Cintron
8. Oktay Urkal
9. Paul Williams
10. Arturo Gatti

If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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Originally Posted by aangel

I like to see Dan Rafaels Rankings he has good explanations for where fighters are on his lists.

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Dan Rafael's List for Welter

1. Carlos Baldomir
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Antonio Margarito
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Luis Collazo
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermit Cintron
8. Oktay Urkal
9. Paul Williams
10. Arturo Gatti

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Quintana??? His won over Julio is more impressive than anything Urkal,Gatti,Cintron etc have done and he's still unbeaten. Those rankings must be old.

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Originally Posted by boxman

If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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Yep,that;s exactly what I heard. That;s why I don't understand why they are seen as so prestigious? Could it be that they have 1 true champ per division?

I really liked Boxrec about a week ago, they had Kassim Ouma at number 5 on their pound for pound list :o ;D

Now they've dropped him off the list totally, so I don't like them.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

CC Killer,I think they all seem to be a bit wack,I mean Boxrec,Lazcano?? ;D

Correct me if I'm wrong but not only is there not that much difference between the rankings BUT wasn't the RING the only 1 which has ACTAULLY been found of fixing it's rankings(I have a relaible source-BRITKID ;D)

I just don't see why they are so hihgly rated,just look like another ranking system to me,as confused as the others.

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Juan Lazcano is a terrific fighter ! sporting wins over James Leija ,Ben Tackie, John John Molina and Stevie Johnston.

Well i think The Rings ratings are the most accurate. What I don't like about all the sanctining bodies ratings(wbc,wbo,ibf,wba) is that they don't rate other sanction bodies champions which just doesn't make sense. How can Baldimor be the real champ but not even be in the ratings of the wbo,wba,ibf.I think the ring gives the best unbiased report of who the best fighters in the divison really are. I mean come on you know baldimor is champ so who would be his #1 contender? I think floyd. Not paul williams(wbo)mark suarez(ibf) or Oktay urkal(wba)

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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I think it makes sense. What welter besides baldimor,floyd, and margarito is better than zab. Who else would be favored to beat him? As far as quintana,julio,and williams goes, they are where they are because yes they look good in ring but they have done nothing. Quintanas best win is julio.Who? Julio has no good wins and williams best win was over a done mitchell. At least urkal has been in with tszyu and harris and gattis been in with the best he just can't beat the best.

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The Ring is what will save boxing. As more and more alphabet organizations spring up, the casual fan needs to be able to recognize one champ in each division. The Ring provides that without demanding the outragous sanction fees. ESPN has already joined on, and all we need is HBO and SHow Time to agree to use the Rings ratings.


Also boxrec's ratings are done by a mathamatical formula, that is unable to take into account certain intangible attributes, so everyone once in a while you get a real weird result.

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Originally Posted by boxman

If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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I do believe that was at least one owner ago if not two. I like them better because unlike with the alphabelts you dont have to pay them to be ranked. With the alphabelts you have to pay sanctioning fees to them for your bouts. The more bouts you have sanctioned by them the better your ranking. At least from what I have read from various websites this how it works. If you look at the rankings there a only a few boxers ranked by each alphabelt organization.

That is my 2 cents anyways.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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He has to fight somebody.. It's been a year and a half since his only decent win.

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Your Wrong!

He has to get someone ballsy enough to sign the papers.
Zab, Mayweather, Baldomir, even Gatti don't have them.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by aangel

I like to see Dan Rafaels Rankings he has good explanations for where fighters are on his lists.

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Dan Rafael's List for Welter

1. Carlos Baldomir
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Antonio Margarito
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Luis Collazo
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermit Cintron
8. Oktay Urkal
9. Paul Williams
10. Arturo Gatti

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cc for the Info, I wonder what this division will look like by the end of the year

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Originally Posted by boxman

If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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Can you substantiate this? I'm not trying to be a dick but I've heard this before but other than someone quoting Don King I've never heard anyone that can provide proof of this.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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What was the date of the rankings? The ring is a quartely publication so ALOT can happen between prints.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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He has to fight somebody.. It's been a year and a half since his only decent win.

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Your Wrong!

He has to get someone ballsy enough to sign the papers.
Zab, Mayweather, Baldomir, even Gatti don't have them.

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Oh ok, what good wins does he have other then Cintron? How long ago was that?? Kassim Ouma, Paul Williams, Clottey, Sharmba Mitchell, all wanted to fight him at some point.. You never heard a peep from Tony's camp other than the notion that Mayweather was scared of him. It's people like you that allow Margarito to be so inactive, just assuming anyone half decent is shit scared to get in the ring with him.. It's BS.

Thats why I just don't focus on one particular rating sys. I try to avg. it out and come up with my own. I'm not saying I have my own ranking sys. set up but when I'm looking into something I go and check out different places to come up with my own.

Margarito's been kicking *ss at 147 long before Cintron. As a matter of fact I hate Cintron! Don't even mention him! Who gives a f*ck about Cintron! ;D

What matters is that Margarito has beaten the MOST fighters at 147!
He deserves his.

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Margarito's been kicking *ss at 147 long before Cintron. As a matter of fact I hate Cintron! Don't even mention him! Who gives a f*ck about Cintron! ;D

What matters is that Margarito has beaten the MOST fighters at 147!
He deserves his.

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Just because he has beaten the most doesnt mean jack. It is the quality of the opponent that everybody talks about with him. His quality of opponents isnt as good as it could be. Who's fault is that? I dont know, blame it on everybody, his promoter for not getting him the fights, Margorito for not taking them earlier, the other fighters for not signing to fight him. Blame who you want about it, still wont change the fact he has not fought any top WW.

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Margarito's been kicking *ss at 147 long before Cintron. As a matter of fact I hate Cintron! Don't even mention him! Who gives a f*ck about Cintron! ;D

What matters is that Margarito has beaten the MOST fighters at 147!
He deserves his.

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Just because he has beaten the most doesnt mean jack. It is the quality of the opponent that everybody talks about with him. His quality of opponents isnt as good as it could be. Who's fault is that? I dont know, blame it on everybody, his promoter for not getting him the fights, Margorito for not taking them earlier, the other fighters for not signing to fight him. Blame who you want about it, still wont change the fact he has not fought any top WW.

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He's beaten more top 10(as rated by Ring magazine) fighters than anyone else at WW,if that does not qualify you for a big fight,what does?>

These guys don't know Jack about boxing!
Gave me a sad click for spouting common sense too!

Forget this!

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

What was the date of the rankings? The ring is a quartely publication so ALOT can happen between prints.

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The Ring comes out every month. Also the ratings are updated weekly on line:


http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html

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Margarito's been kicking *ss at 147 long before Cintron. As a matter of fact I hate Cintron! Don't even mention him! Who gives a f*ck about Cintron! ;D

What matters is that Margarito has beaten the MOST fighters at 147!
He deserves his.

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Just because he has beaten the most doesnt mean jack. It is the quality of the opponent that everybody talks about with him. His quality of opponents isnt as good as it could be. Who's fault is that? I dont know, blame it on everybody, his promoter for not getting him the fights, Margorito for not taking them earlier, the other fighters for not signing to fight him. Blame who you want about it, still wont change the fact he has not fought any top WW.

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He's beaten more top 10(as rated by Ring magazine) fighters than anyone else at WW,if that does not qualify you for a big fight,what does?>

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We all know just because somebody is rated in somebodies top 10 doesnt mean they are quality opponents. He needs to be fighting the top 5 of that top 10 list not the bottom half. Not trying to be an ahole or anything, but any top 10 list of a division is going to contain some questionable choices. But just out of curiousity who was it and what were they ranked at the time?

Most of his fights are chosen by looking at the rankings(he LOVES his title),for example,Cintron was number 4 or 5 at the time. Lujan was number 10 or 9,Gomez was unbeaten for 6 years and number 10,most of his opponents have been like that. I'm not saying anything good or bad,just answering your question and you are spot on,he should have fought more top 5 contenders but look at the lists now. Matweather won't fight him,Baldo OPENLY says he won't fight him,I doubt King and Arum would come together for anything other than a super event and that takes Collazo out,and then it's Cintron again!

I don't know what it is but Tony just can't get a big fight so I have a new approach,because I think he has become much more well known over the last year,so use the De La Hoya methoid,fight alot of names,keep active and a bg fight will come, In fact,that is EXACTLY what Oscar said he should do when asked about Tony in an interview. Here's the peeps he should be targeting:

Clottey,winner of Quintana Cotto,maybeeee Collazo,and Williams. If he beats 3 of those within the next year,he has beat the best WWs period,all big strong and highly talented. I don't think Baldo will be aroun much longer and I left Judah out because Tony WILL NEVER fight him,he has stated this.Oayback for when he kept knocking on Judahs' door for unifaction,now Judah needs him,he says Judah can wait like he made me(tony)wait.

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Most of his fights are chosen by looking at the rankings(he LOVES his title),for example,Cintron was number 4 or 5 at the time. Lujan was number 10 or 9,Gomez was unbeaten for 6 years and number 10,most of his opponents have been like that. I'm not saying anything good or bad,just answering your question and you are spot on,he should have fought more top 5 contenders but look at the lists now. Matweather won't fight him,Baldo OPENLY says he won't fight him,I doubt King and Arum would come together for anything other than a super event and that takes Collazo out,and then it's Cintron again!

I don't know what it is but Tony just can't get a big fight so I have a new approach,because I think he has become much more well known over the last year,so use the De La Hoya methoid,fight alot of names,keep active and a bg fight will come, In fact,that is EXACTLY what Oscar said he should do when asked about Tony in an interview. Here's the peeps he should be targeting:

Clottey,winner of Quintana Cotto,maybeeee Collazo,and Williams. If he beats 3 of those within the next year,he has beat the best WWs period,all big strong and highly talented. I don't think Baldo will be aroun much longer and I left Judah out because Tony WILL NEVER fight him,he has stated this.Oayback for when he kept knocking on Judahs' door for unifaction,now Judah needs him,he says Judah can wait like he made me(tony)wait.

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What I hate about this is I can see both sides of it. On the one hand you have Tony trying to get the big fight with somebody of signigicance. But the other hand says that he hasnt fought anybody(PBF) or just straight up no. You can only beat who they put in front of you.

I agree with you that Tony needs to go and beat some of the up and comers to prove he is the only one left at WW for the big names to challenge. He has to make it obvious to everybody by beating all of the other contenders that he is the only WW out there. Then hopefully the fights will come. But he will have to stay busy with 3 or 4 fights next year. He is only 29 so there is possibly 5 years for him to still fight on top.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

What was the date of the rankings? The ring is a quartely publication so ALOT can happen between prints.

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The Ring comes out every month. Also the ratings are updated weekly on line:


http://www.thering-online.com/ringpages/ratings2.html

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no shit?.....well hell maybe i will get another subscriptioin....I had one for years but got tired of paying 50 bucks for a quartely publiction...

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Originally Posted by boxman

If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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I do believe that was at least one owner ago if not two. I like them better because unlike with the alphabelts you dont have to pay them to be ranked. With the alphabelts you have to pay sanctioning fees to them for your bouts. The more bouts you have sanctioned by them the better your ranking. At least from what I have read from various websites this how it works. If you look at the rankings there a only a few boxers ranked by each alphabelt organization.

That is my 2 cents anyways.

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It's all bullshat in my opionion. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world but is ruined by having the worst structure of any sport in the world.

I just wish someone could buy out all the governing bodies and just have one world title belt for each weight.

Unfortunately it seems to be going the other way with new ranking bodies popping up every year. I reckon by about 2030 you could just randomly pick any three letters in any order and you will nearly certainly have the initials of some ranking body. :-\

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)

And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.

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If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.

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I do believe that was at least one owner ago if not two. I like them better because unlike with the alphabelts you dont have to pay them to be ranked. With the alphabelts you have to pay sanctioning fees to them for your bouts. The more bouts you have sanctioned by them the better your ranking. At least from what I have read from various websites this how it works. If you look at the rankings there a only a few boxers ranked by each alphabelt organization.

That is my 2 cents anyways.

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It's all bullshat in my opionion. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world but is ruined by having the worst structure of any sport in the world.

I just wish someone could buy out all the governing bodies and just have one world title belt for each weight.

Unfortunately it seems to be going the other way with new ranking bodies popping up every year. I reckon by about 2030 you could just randomly pick any three letters in any order and you will nearly certainly have the initials of some ranking body. :-\

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I wish they could put in a system similar to the American Baseball system. They have several minor leagues where players are assigned and can learn the game. They have Rookie leagues, Class A, AA, AAA leagues (AAA being the highest). It would be nice if boxing could have some type of similar system to where people have to earn their way up the ladder instead of having the right promoter.

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CC Killer,I think they all seem to be a bit wack,I mean Boxrec,Lazcano?? ;D

Correct me if I'm wrong but not only is there not that much difference between the rankings BUT wasn't the RING the only 1 which has ACTAULLY been found of fixing it's rankings(I have a relaible source-BRITKID ;D)

I just don't see why they are so hihgly rated,just look like another ranking system to me,as confused as the others.

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The Ring went through its' own scandal involving the ratings in the late 1970s. The Ring no longer has the same people running it from back then...regardless of what Britkid says (I like Britkid but his personal bias sometimes clouds the issues).

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I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)

And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.

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He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..

I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!

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I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!

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I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!

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cc back bro, everyone is gonna have differences with rankings because everyone has their favourites. But I feel the Rings rankings are unbaised & pretty close to the mark!

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I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!

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cc back bro, everyone is gonna have differences with rankings because everyone has their favourites. But I feel the Rings rankings are unbaised & pretty close to the mark!

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No matter which way you look at it or where you put your rankings stock its the best of the bunch.

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I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)

for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??

Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!

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Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)

And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.

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He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..

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Clottey can be passive until he has your hurt. Margarito could outhustle him