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At the end of the fight, what counts most is whose hand the referee raises. In the case of the Macho Man, his hand was raised 78 times and that's not bad. Whether he gets into the Hall or not is not my decision, but I believe a reasonable case can be made for his induction. Great opposition, three-time world champion, a long career....those are solid credentials. Either way, and with his considerable business acumen, he will likely leave the game on his own terms.
What do you think?
i dunno i think that he had all the tools to do it, but later he just became a gatekeeper type fighter, recieving beatings from Chavez, Trinidad, and De La Hoya, the sad thing is the biggest wins on his record are against Rosario, Duran, and Leonard, the only one that was an actual game opponant was Rosario, and he beat Camacho late in the fight, he didn't win the fight but he fucked him up
Rosario pretty much ruined Camacho for all the talent he had from what I've heard. What happened to Camacho against Rosario?
he kind of didn't like the contact part of boxing, he didn't like to take risks, everyone started labeling him as a coward, until the fight with Chavez
So basically he came forward all the time and fought but when he got hit by Rosario his mindset changed? It didnt shoot his skills, just his mentality?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
O0 An imitator of Muhammad Ali's controversial and flashy style and flair, few could out finesse or out speed him. Boxing experts and fans were enthusiastic about him in his early career. Indeed, Ali and Camacho's style was adopted to some degree by Roy Jones, Jr and Naseem Hamed, to name a few, and it brought excitement to their fights, but then he met Edwin Rosario in1986. He dominated the early rounds, but had to hang on in rounds five, six and seven when he caught the fury and power of Rosario. He came back to take rounds eight and nine, but Rosario came on late. Camacho won the title fight by split decision, but afterwards his style changed into a more defensive one that seemed more safety first, avoiding punishment rather than engaging his opponents. After the fight, his face busted up, he kiddingly said, "Hey, if this is macho, I don't want no part of it."
No doubt in my mind, he should be inducted into the HOF.
I hated his guts but he belongs in the HOF.
;D He defeated Ray Mancini, Roberto Duran (twice), Sugar Ray Leonard, Tony Menefee, Heath Todd, Gary Kirkland, Luis Maysonet, Jorge Vaca, Todd Foster, Pat Lawlor, Reyes Antonio Cruz, Greg Haugen, Tony Baltazar, Ken Sigurani, Howard Davis, Jr, Cornelius Boza Edwards, Freddie Roach, Vinny Paz, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez ( a member of the World Boxing Hall of Fame), Rafael Limon, John Montes, Greg Conversion, Melvin Paul, and Louis Burke. He was defeated by Julio Cesar Chavez, 108-6-2, Felix Trinidad, 42-2, Greg Haugen, 40-10-1(he lost by an extremely controversial decision when, inexplicitly, he was penalized for not touching gloves before the last round; he won the rematch), Oscar De La Hoya, 38-4, and Chris Walsh, 19-7-1 by TD. He didn't fight either Chacon or Pernell Whitaker, but not from his own doing. Bobby Chacon chose to fight Ray Mancini, and the Duvas never made the match with Whitaker.
Era: 1980-2005...multiple eras over a 25 year boxing career. Camacho has been fighting for 25 years. When you consider that Archie Moore's career spanned 27 years, you get a better perspective....though Hector's fight have been far and few between in recent years. Nevertheless, he fought at or near the top of his divisions during eras that included great fighters. The list of his opponents reads like a "whose who" of tough fighters; it includes an astounding fourteen world champions including Hall of Famers, Sugar Ray Leonard and Edwin Rosario, and at least four future inductees (De La Hoya, Duran, Chavez, and Trinidad). And to Camacho's credit, he has never been stopped and has been down arguably only once. In 1989, when he met former world lightweight champion Ray "Boom Boom " Mancini (who was 29-3 with 23 knockouts coming into the fight), Camacho won a unanimous decision for the vacant WBO Junior Welterweight title. In so doing, he joined an exclusive "club" of world champions boxers who have become three-time world champions
Without a doubt he was on his way before the Rosario fight. But those right hands kind of changed things. I don't personaaly think he deserves it, but if Ken Nortan is in, than he maybe should get in as well
Mancini was finished after his 2 fights with Bramble. Duran was ancient history and he still beat Camacho the first time. Leonard was so far gone it is disgraceful to include his win over him as an accomplishment. The next 8 or 9 people you list, really weren't anything. THey hadn't done anything, and never did. Boza Edwards, Paz, Rosario, and Ramirez were the only decent fighters he really beat. Rosario was a very good fighter, and Ramirez was world class. Those are his 2 great wins. Against Chavez he showed some heart, credit to him there.. But that was the last time he put up a decent fight at the top level... His performance against De LA Hoya and especially Trinidad, were plain cowardly. He just ran, those names shouldn't even count towards his legacy one bit, unless it is to detract from it. And good thing he didn't fight Whittaker, he would have been taken apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
He didn't run against Chavez. And maybe his style went more defensive so he could prserve himself longer. I bet if he kept fighting the same way he did when he started he wouldnt be around still fighting today
actually i'd say Mancini was finished after his fight with Kim, that win changed him forever, he even said that he felt that he didn't only kill one person, he killed 3, (Kim, Kim's Mother, and the ref) obviously this is completely ridiculous cause you can't actually blame him for the death of a fighter in the ring, and he couldn't control the fact that both the ref and Kim's mother commited suicide afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
the only other real accomplishment in Camacho's career is that he never officially went down, only fighter that really came close to putting him down was DLH but Camacho using his head tackled the golden boy and avoided the knockdown
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Since everybody with more wins than losses will end up in the HOF, the way it is going, why not Camacho? And what about Buck Smith? At one point he was something like 196-5, and the only guys that beat him were McGirt and other top ten guys. And Wimpy Halstead? He was 78-8 or close to it, only beaten by Bowe, Morrisson, etc...
Really, though, Camacho was a pretty good fighter, even after Rosario. He fought the best of his era, did well against them (never ko'd...ever knocked down?), so I guess he probably will and I guess he should.
lesser fighters have gotten in, even though he never lived up to his full potential he still was a multidivision champion, he fought the best fighter's of his time (Chavez, Haugen, Pazienza, Trinidad, DLH, Rosario, etc.), and was never dropped his entire career, i mean he didn't have a stellar career by any means but he's done a hell of a lot more than others who are already in the hallQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
I agree with that. Lots of guys less deserving are in, and he was very successful- no shame in losing to Chavez, and he was an old guy fighting 17 pounds above his starting weight when he lost to Trinidad and De LaHoya.
I go with yeh. Not all glitter and dazzle he had serious skills and longevity with level of comp. Of course he gave us Hector camacho jr so that's a mark against him. The hall is pretty watered down, I mean didn't they just 'elect' Rocky flipping Balboa for crying out loud ???
Rosario hit him with a huge left hook in the 5th round, but Camacho did not go down. He was hurt, he was almost gone, but he survived. He won the fight, Rosario just didn't follow up well enough or wasn't allowed too. Camacho, depsite his flaws deserves to be in the hall of fame. I don't think he ever reached his full potential, he fought every one out there bar Whitaker and only lost to legends Chavez, Trinidad or DLH by decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Camacho had done enough early on against Rosario to earn the decision, but Rosario pretty much battered him for the last few roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANRosario hit him with a huge left hook in the 5th round, but Camacho did not go down. He was hurt, he was almost gone, but he survived. He won the fight, Rosario just didn't follow up well enough or wasn't allowed too. Camacho, depsite his flaws deserves to be in the hall of fame. I don't think he ever reached his full potential, he fought every one out there bar Whitaker and only lost to legends Chavez, Trinidad or DLH by decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty