A different take on The 'Greatest' Heavyweights of All Time

I know we have done the ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights to death, but what about the 'Best' Heavyweights

I don't just rate my fighters as to who would win on any given night I look at lots of other factors.

If I did my Heavyweight 'Greatest' List only based on who would win at their best, taking into consideration size etc etc, my list would be vastly different

i.e - I would say that the ‘Best’ Heavyweights are something like this

The Tyson that beat Biggs
The Bowe that beat Holyfield in Nov 92
The Foreman that beat Frazier
The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams
The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson or The Lewis that beat Tua


Obviously I wouldn’t have these as my 5 ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights in this order based on all factors

Discuss ;D

PS they are off the top of my head - I am sure there are many others ;)

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I know we have done the ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights to death, but what about the 'Best' Heavyweights

I don't just rate my fighters as to who would win on any given night I look at lots of other factors.

If I did my Heavyweight 'Greatest' List only based on who would win at their best, taking into consideration size etc etc, my list would be vastly different

i.e - I would say that the ‘Best’ Heavyweights are something like this

The Tyson that beat Biggs
The Bowe that beat Holyfield in Nov 92
The Foreman that beat Frazier
The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams
The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson or The Lewis that beat Tua


Obviously I wouldn’t have these as my 5 ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights in this order based on all factors

Discuss ;D

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good topic

larry holmes beat shavers in first fight
ali that beat cleveland williams
tyson that beat spinks
lewis that destroyed ruddock or golota take ur pick
bowe that beat holy in first fight
fraizer that beat ali in 1st fight
foreman that beat fraizer or norton take ur pick
holyfield that beat douglas or bowe in rematch

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I know we have done the ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights to death, but what about the 'Best' Heavyweights

I don't just rate my fighters as to who would win on any given night I look at lots of other factors.

If I did my Heavyweight 'Greatest' List only based on who would win at their best, taking into consideration size etc etc, my list would be vastly different

i.e - I would say that the ‘Best’ Heavyweights are something like this

The Tyson that beat Biggs
The Bowe that beat Holyfield in Nov 92
The Foreman that beat Frazier
The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams
The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson or The Lewis that beat Tua


Obviously I wouldn’t have these as my 5 ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights in this order based on all factors

Discuss ;D

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good topic

larry holmes beat shavers in first fight
ali that beat cleveland williams
tyson that beat spinks
lewis that destroyed ruddock or golota take ur pick
bowe that beat holy in first fight
fraizer that beat ali in 1st fight
foreman that beat fraizer or norton take ur pick
holyfield that beat douglas or bowe in rematch

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Good list

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by BIG H

I know we have done the ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights to death, but what about the 'Best' Heavyweights

I don't just rate my fighters as to who would win on any given night I look at lots of other factors.

If I did my Heavyweight 'Greatest' List only based on who would win at their best, taking into consideration size etc etc, my list would be vastly different

i.e - I would say that the ‘Best’ Heavyweights are something like this

The Tyson that beat Biggs
The Bowe that beat Holyfield in Nov 92
The Foreman that beat Frazier
The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams
The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson or The Lewis that beat Tua


Obviously I wouldn’t have these as my 5 ‘Greatest’ Heavyweights in this order based on all factors

Discuss ;D

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good topic

larry holmes beat shavers in first fight
ali that beat cleveland williams
tyson that beat spinks
lewis that destroyed ruddock or golota take ur pick
bowe that beat holy in first fight
fraizer that beat ali in 1st fight
foreman that beat fraizer or norton take ur pick
holyfield that beat douglas or bowe in rematch

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Good list

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thanks mate cc back

Dempsey that beat Jess Willard
Louis that beat Schmelling
Marciano that beat Walcott in the rematch
Mercer who beat Morrison

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Dempsey that beat Jess Willard
Louis that beat Schmelling
Marciano that beat Walcott in the rematch
Mercer who beat Morrison

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Still makes me cringe watching that ;)

and before that Ray was taking a beating and no one figured he could handle that punishment

Buster Douglas that beat Tyson did great too

Holyfield that beat Tyson I
Holmes that beat Cooney
Louis that beat Schmelling

razor ruddock beating dokes  :P
jack dempsey beating willard
gerry cooney beating ken norton
earnie shavers beating ken norton
ken norton beating duane bobick or beating ali in first fight
ike ibeachui beating tua or chris byrd

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

The Tyson that beat Spinks.
Marciano that beat Walcott in rematch.
Ali that beat Williams.
Bowe that beat Holyfield.
Buster Douglas that beat Tyson.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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You cannot be serious!!........ do you think they are the best of all time??

Do you reckon they would stand comparison on that night, with the best heavyweights of all time?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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i really wouldn't say Williams cause he was already ready to go out in the 1st, then Tyson's knee went out and Williams mounted an attack, other than that it wasn't really a sensational win IMO

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Hook line and.........................you know the rest ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

and before that Ray was taking a beating and no one figured he could handle that punishment

Buster Douglas that beat Tyson did great too

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I remember that I thought to myself Morrison looked like the next big thing in HW boxing.....Til Ray caught up with him on the ropes...IMO that ruined Morrison after that......

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Lyle

and before that Ray was taking a beating and no one figured he could handle that punishment

Buster Douglas that beat Tyson did great too

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I remember that I thought to myself Morrison looked like the next big thing in HW boxing.....Til Ray caught up with him on the ropes...IMO that ruined Morrison after that......

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Yeh, I think you're right mate, up to round 5 of that fight Morrison looked like the Real Deal

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Hook line and.........................you know the rest ;D

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You've fucked up my response

What with Bruno winning like a true champion should, clinging on for dear life, being dragged around the ring with millions screaming "hold him Frank"......

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Hook line and.........................you know the rest ;D

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;D

You've fucked up my responce

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...and you fukked up your spelling ;D ;D

tua beating ruiz
sonny liston beating patterson

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Hook line and.........................you know the rest ;D

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;D

You've fucked up my response

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...and you fukked up your spelling ;D ;D

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It's the bloody dyslexia ;D



Honest ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Not biased towards British fighters are you?

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Not biased towards British fighters are you

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wouldnt say its biased.

2 of the 5 are american

and growing up in the uk ur more likely to root for ur faves and countrymen 2 of which were big underdogs going into those fights

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Originally Posted by beds

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

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Originally Posted by Fenster

The Bruno that beat McCall

The Toney that beat Holyfield

The Williams that beat Tyson

The Bentt that beat Morrison

The Audley that beat Francis

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Not biased towards British fighters are you

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wouldnt say its biased.

2 of the 5 are american

and growing up in the uk ur more likely to root for ur faves and countrymen 2 of which were big underdogs going into those fights

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True, I can't complain about rooting for the home team. Have a CC>

Ok i'm bringing this one back from the grave because it's become an issue lately. Surely there's been some fighters that, while their total careers haven't been stellar, have had good runs or nights where they were on a level that they'd never see again or be able to maintain. Greatness is defined by longevity and a bunch of other factors but there are some fighter's who didn't have traditional "primes". There's some fighters that had one night where their skills peaked and that was it.

My 5 "Greatest" Heavyweights:
Ali
Foreman (not as many title fights as some but was a factor in the best era of heavyweights and a later era)
Holmes
Lewis
Louis

My 5 "Best" Heavyweights:
Marciano- I realize this will be frowned upon but you gotta understand that despite the man having 49 consecutive victories, only 6 of them involved a title. While he might not have the resume that ali and others have, he'd be a handful for any heavyweight on any given night.
Tyson- Great power, chin, and skills but didn't maintain it long enough to be considered a great imo.
Vitali- Big, incredible chin, and unbelievable power. While i don't consider him a great because i question his heart and longevity, on the same token i wouldn't wanna make him angry  ;D
Tua (vs. ruiz)- Again great power and would be a handful but didn't sustain his success to be considered great.
Ike ibeuchi- Another guy that would be a handful but didn't execute on the potential he had to be great.

I don't want to say lots of fights that have been pre-mentioned but for me
Tyson vs. anyone before 1990 is certainly the best using this system
and don't forget the Shavers against Norton