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He'll be around 37/38 years old if he can pull it off which is a BIG ask and he'd have to stay injury free.
That is what motivates him NOT ££$$$££.
Which is why he is the fighter he is today.
Would love to see a UK fighter (especially a Londoner) pull this off. 8)
What do we think?
yep easily if he dont move up in weightQuote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Well hes on 19 straight unbeaten defences so far and 26 (beating Louis by one) would be 7 more fights.
That's a long time fighting under Warren ;)
Joe is 34 don't forget and is partial to hand bother ;)
I think for this one we have to look at Calzaghe's comment himself. He himself has said that he has only 3 more fights before he retires, so that would only take him to 22 succesful fights, and that is if he stays at SMW, where he was struggling at the weight a few years ago. Even though more recently he is more comfortable at the weight, can anyone really stay at the same weight they started out as 15 years before? It would be a hard task for him, and I don't see him having the desire to do it. If he beats Kessler, and unifies the division after Bika, that will be one massive achievement, and then a victory to win a Light-Heavy belt is really the extent of his ambition.
and i think he would wana move up aswell for big fight
Its not that he cant just that he wont. Like superheavy said Joe C. himself stated he only had 3 or 4 fights left.
i have feeling though if he got like 2 fights from getting it he wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
Good to see ya fella 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
His hands can't take 7 more fights I don't reckon :(
Calzaghe has 2 more years left in him. Tops. Anything more and we will be seeing a fighter on a slide. Past the age of 35 and Calzaghe's phenomenal output will begin to drop and that along with his speed is what makes him such an awesome spectacle....
Plus the hands are notoriously brittle...
A few more big wins and then get out of there...Calzaghe is sensible, he wont stay beyond his calling...
COULD he? Yes......WILL he? Nope.....he's a brittle fighter he gets injured a lot.
Besides who is there to fight at 168? ....oh that's right Joe will find some shmuck to beat up on. Besides Lacy who has he defended his title against that was any good?
The real question is who should he of defended against.
I need educating on the 168 divisions history... ;)
....anyone better than the guys he ended up fighting
depends on who he fights
such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He's fought guys that have held the WBC, WBA, IBF & WBO belts - and I agree that there is nobody he should have fought and hasn't. Not his fault he is so much better than anybody else at 168 for the last 10 years ;)
He has p1ssed me off not taking a big fight after Lacy though
His management basically got stuck in a rut. As I keep saying I'd rather he kept active, even if it's against a C class fighter than just sit on his arse waiting for a bigger draw to be available.
Well said, Big H :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Calzaghe has beaten anybody worthy of note in the division for a decade and for anyone to detract from that is underestimating the skill Calzaghe has...
Agreed. Bika is not the man to be coming back against, but if Calzaghe sticks to his word and fights 3 times next year and hopefully 2 of them being big fights then all is forgiven...
Mario Veit was 30-0 when Calzaghe fought him, he's 48 wins only 2 losses both to JCQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I'd rate him alot higher than the Lacy win.
U can keep knocking him 4 who he fights, but the fact is he beats everyone he fights!
He also travelled to Germany to beat Veit which is more of a risk than most fighters around his weight class have took, ie RJJ, Hopkins, Tarver ;)
Lacy was a good one
Here are a few names just off the top of my head considering he could have been fighting top of the line competition in 1997
RJJ
Bernard Hopkins (if he could have convinced B-Hop to move up...I don't hold it against him they didn't fight though)
Mikkel Kessler
Markus Beyer
Anthony Mundine
Danny Green
Allan Green
Carl Froch
Svenn Ottke
Thulani Malinga
Eric Lucas
Thomas Tate
I didn't say Veit was bad...that was one of his better fights....Echols would have been a good fight for Joe too
Here are the guys Calzaghe SHOULD NOT have fought
Bika - Joe is old and should only go after SUPER FIGHTS
Kadberry Saleem
Mger Mkrtchian
Tocker Pudwill
Miguel Angel Jiminez
Rick Thornberry
IF he moved up un weight the hand problems would be even worse... He would have heavier hands as a light heavey and would be cracking harder... Your bone mass doesn't strengthen when you move up... Your frame is your frame. He will fight a few more stiffs(Bika isn't a stiff by boxing standards but next to Joe he is)and then take a fight against a decent opp. for some cash and retire... We will never see him in a superfightQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
fair enough but besides RJJ and Hopkins theres no one else on that list that would be consideredQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
a huge fight! but I agree they would all be better Bika!
Both of which Calzaghe maintains didn't want to fight him.
As for Froch etc... come on Lyle... :P
...... and I'm not even going to get into the debate as to whether he is a Londoner or not !!
;)
Yeah... I thought I'd leave that too... Let Smash have that one... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by X
Is it because his parents are from there or because he was born there?
In that case I could call myself either:
A Geordie
A Scot
An Englishman
Or Spanish...
Technically, we could all call ourselves c unts using that logic
;D
*and yes, I know everyone does already call me that.*
Shut it, cunt.
Froch allows Calzaghe to stay at 168 whereas fighting Woods means about as much yet he doesn't have to leave the divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I'm just going off the top of my head, but at least two of those fights were mandatories for Joe. Thornberry built up a decent record down in Oz, and he became the the mandatory. The others, I believe Jimenez, and Mkrtchian were also mandatory. And as for Saleem, he had a bad rep as a dirty roughhouse fighter, and, Joe did need to prove he could do more than box, he could mix it with the cheating buggers as well. Pudwill was a bum, and just a keeping busy fight. Same as I believe the Bika fight is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
heres a list of all records of his challengers ;)
Jeff Lacy 167 21-0-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Greater Manchester, England W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Raúl Caíz | Judge: Nelson Vasquez 119-105 | Judge: Roy Francis 119-107 | Judge: Adalaide Byrd 119-107 ~
~ IBF Super Middleweight Title ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Calzaghe deducted 1 point in round 11 for punching round Lacy's back during a break
Lacy down in the 12th round.
2005-09-10 167½ Evans Ashira 166 24-1-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Mark Nelson | Judge: Renato Caddeo 120-107 | Judge: Henk Adriaansen 120-108 | Judge: Paul Thomas 120-108 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
2005-05-07 167½ Mario Veit 167½ 45-1-0
Volkswagenhalle, Braunschweig, Germany W TKO 6 12
~ Time: 0:42 | Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 50-44 | Judge: Tom Miller 50-44 | Judge: Melvina Lathan 50-44 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
2004-10-22 168 Kabary Salem 167¾ 23-3-0
Royal Highland Showground, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Paul Thomas | Judge: Renato Caddeo 117-109 | Judge: Frank Cairo 118-107 | Judge: Manuel Oliver Palomo 116-109 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Calzaghe down in 4th; Salem down in 12th.
Salem penalized one point in Round 3, Calzaghe one point in Round 11, both for intentional headbutting.
2004-02-21 167½ Mger Mkrtchian 167½ 18-1-0
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 7 12
~ Time: 1:05 | Referee: Paul Thomas ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
2003-06-28 167 Byron Mitchell 168 25-2-1
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 2 12
~ Referee: Dave Parris ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Calzaghe suffers first career knockdown in 2nd; Michell down in 2nd.
2002-12-14 167¼ Tocker Pudwill 167½ 39-4-0
Telewest Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, England W TKO 2 12
~ Time: 0:39 | Referee: Dave Parris ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Pudwill down twice in 1st and once in 2nd. Pudwill took the fight on two-weeks' notice as a replacement for Thomas Tate.
2002-08-17 167¾ Miguel Angel Jimenez 168 21-1-0
Cardiff Castle, Cardiff, Wales W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Dave Parris | Judge: Harold Gomes 120-107 | Judge: John Coyle 120-107 | Judge: Mike Glienna 120-107 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Jimenez penalized 1 point in 10th for head-butting.
2002-04-20 167¾ Charles Brewer 167¾ 37-8-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Mark Nelson | Judge: Robin Dolpierre 118-111 | Judge: Roy Francis 117-112 | Judge: Chuck Giampa 119-109 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
2001-10-13 167½ Will McIntyre 167½ 29-2-0
Parken, Copenhagen, Denmark W TKO 4 12
~ Time: 0:45 | Referee: Paul Thomas | Judge: Dave Parris 30-25 | Judge: Torben Seeman Hansen 30-26 | Judge: Andre Van Grootenbruel 30-26 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
McIntyre suffers first career knockdown in 3rd.
2001-04-28 167¾ Mario Veit 167 30-0-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 1 12
~ Time: 1:52 | Referee: Mark Nelson | Judge: Roy Francis | Judge: Harold Gomes | Judge: Harry Davis ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Veit down twice
2000-12-16 167¾ Richie Woodhall 167½ 26-2-0
Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 0:28 | Referee: Roy Francis | Judge: Dave Parris 87-84 | Judge: John Coyle 88-83 | Judge: Gerald Scott 87-84 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Woodhall down in 9th.
2000-08-12 168 Omar Sheika 167 20-1-0
Conference Center, Wembley, London, England W TKO 5 12
~ Time: 2:08 | Referee: Genaro Rodriguez | Judge: Mickey Vann 40-36 | Judge: John Stewart 39-37 | Judge: Victor Salomon 39-37 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
2000-01-29 167¾ David Starie 167½ 22-1-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Greater Manchester, England W UD 12 12
~ Referee: John Coyle | Judge: William Lerch 118-110 | Judge: Roberto Ramirez 120-108 | Judge: Mickey Vann 116-113 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
1999-06-05 167½ Rick Thornberry 167 23-2-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Rudy Battle | Judge: Harold Gomes 120-107 | Judge: Rocky Young 119-108 | Judge: Dave Parris 119-109 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
1999-02-13 167 Robin Reid 167¾ 26-1-1
Telewest Arena, Newcastle, England W SD 12 12
~ Referee: Roy Francis | Judge: Robert Byrd 116-111 | Judge: John Duggan 116-111 | Judge: Paul Thomas 111-116 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
1998-04-25 166½ Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra 166½ 51-8-3
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 10 12
~ Time: 0:01 | Referee: Mike Ortega | Judge: Mickey Vann 90-81 | Judge: Roy Francis 90-81 | Judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 90-81 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Corner retirement after the 9th round.
1998-01-24 167¾ Branko Sobot 166½ 14-1-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales W TKO 3 12
~ Time: 1:35 | Referee: Paul Thomas | Judge: Samuel Viruet 20-18 | Judge: Roy Francis 20-18 | Judge: Manuel Maritxalar 20-18 ~
~ WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
1997-10-11 167¼ Chris Eubank 167¾ 45-2-2
Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, South Yorkshire, England W UD 12 12
~ Referee: Joe Cortez | Judge: Paul Thomas 116-111 | Judge: Roy Francis 118-110 | Judge: Dave Parris 118-109 ~
~ Vacant WBO Super Middleweight Title ~
Those guys might be mandatories but god they suck...18-1??? Jiminez?!?!?
Ridiculous...there are far better fighters than those guys
Mandatories?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
WBO has no respect for mandatories. Calzaghe has been allowed to pick and choose whatever opponent he's wanted for his entire reign. WBO does nothing whatsoever to force mandatories.
Now if this was because they wanted to leave room for more important fights - it would be acceptable or even commendable. But looking over Calzaghe's record that is not the case.
For this reason alone the WBO should still not be regarded as highly as "the other 3" organisations.
I really want to see Calzaghe fight much bigger names than he is...
He says his motivation is recognition and not money so,
Put your c*ck on the block and take the smaller purses and go after the mega stars stateside 8)
Much as I hate to refer to the *evil one* on the board, Joe's promoter has said that it is probable that he and Enzo will make their American debuts early in the new year. I can't remember where I saw it, but it was over the past day or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
I do know that regardless of his unbeaten run and the Lacy performance he is miles behing Hatton moneywise.
He has to go to the US in his next fight.
CC back buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
That explains why he didn't ever come over here to fight real competition like Jones or Hopkins ;) j/k I think he deserves it for being undervalued around the boxing world, but he will never get the respect Louis got for it, and i don't think he should either. Louis fought in rough times for people, and he brought inspiration to the world where as Calzaghe is barely known to the average boxing fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
....Glenn Johnson would have been a good fight for him too
Does it really matter, Louis held one title, the undisputed heavyweight title, not one of 4 or 5 different organizations titles, so in my opinion it will not mean much, just like when Valuev breaks Marciano's record, which I think he will and not because he's the best fighter out there, we all know he's not that good but he's huge and may beat anyone who gets in with him. Including Klichztko and I think he's the best of whats in the heavy division right now, but could he take the clubbing he would receive from the big guy. ??