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This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
Calzaghe though he did well, and IMO is still a great he would stand a chance against Prime Jones and I knew he never would before this fight... HIm having difficulties with a guy like Bika is something Jones never would have had to deal with... He was so much faster than Calzaghe and stronger it would have been a one sided slaughter... People say all Calzaghe could do is fight dirty back, but IMO a strong boxer-puncher can always create the distance... once Jones lost his power he couldn't against Tarver and Johnson, but before that he would have easily beaten either of them.
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RJJ was untouchable in his prime.....Joe C would be second fiddle during RJJ's reign.....Too fast too strong too good!!!!!
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Im not 100% up on Jones's record but he must had a few stinkers?
Tc
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RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
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Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
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Wow mate. You must have really done your homework on Jones Jr. You would have been what 5 at the time?
Or are you just saying that to sound smart? :cwm13:
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I still think Jones vs Calzaghe would have been one hell of a fight.
People make excuses for Roy now and say well he's 37 or whatever but Joe is 34 or 35, so you could just easily make the argument that he is not at his best now.
Plus Calzaghe has never been sparked out or bullied and beaten up like Jones was against Johnson.
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Wow mate. You must have really done your homework on Jones Jr. You would have been what 5 at the time?
Or are you just saying that to sound smart? :cwm13:
Who me? I have his boxing career collection... He fought alot of people I would consider much stronger, and more skilled than Bika... Julio GOnzalez, Mike McCallum(even old MIke), Virgil HIll, David Telesco, Lou De Valle, Clinton Woods, Eric Harding, and all of them Roy easily beat, and by easy I mean 119-109 type fights.
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people give credit for blowing Lacy out like that and being THAT impressive ONCE. Roy did it ALL the time
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
*SPOILERS*
Where's my month of coolclicks wacko?
I told you and I bet u a month of coolclicks that Joe would look average his next time out. I'm here to collect ;)
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Never been a JC fan. Always been a RJ fan.
Calzaghe has a tendency to fight to his opponent's level, like the commentators said, JC stuck to his gameplan versus lacy but is getting wild with bika. So what, he still beat the guy. And Bika is not a bad fighter. Give JC guy the respect he deserves.
RJ was a good talent and has physical gifts but he was never a great technical fighter like JC is. This was prooved when RJ got KO'd because his speed and reflexes faded a little. RJ would have beat Calzaghe but anyone who says that RJ would do to Calzaghe what he did to below average guys he fought is stupid.
BTW Bika was a dirty fighter with a good chin, these kind of guys are hard to look good against.
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Never been a JC fan. Always been a RJ fan.
Calzaghe has a tendency to fight to his opponent's level, like the commentators said, JC stuck to his gameplan versus lacy but is getting wild with bika. So what, he still beat the guy. And Bika is not a bad fighter. Give JC guy the respect he deserves.
RJ was a good talent and has physical gifts but he was never a great technical fighter like JC is. This was prooved when RJ got KO'd because his speed and reflexes faded a little. RJ would have beat Calzaghe but anyone who says that RJ would do to Calzaghe what he did to below average guys he fought is stupid.
BTW Bika was a dirty fighter with a good chin, these kind of guys are hard to look good against.
I agree with you totally. Very fair post.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
Mate you know very well this isnt his first tough fight against low opposition. And by the way, ok roy didnt fight heaps of great fighters at super middleweight but who the hell has calzaghe fought. The man doesnt even want kessler and took him like 10 yrs to unify.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
Mate you know very well this isnt his first tough fight against low opposition. And by the way, ok roy didnt fight heaps of great fighters at super middleweight but who the hell has calzaghe fought. The man doesnt even want kessler and took him like 10 yrs to unify.
If Calzaghe doesnt fight Kessler I will be dissapointed. Taylor and Winky are not fights that are gonna happen anytime soon. Jones Jr and Hopkins are pretty much semi retired, and okay, they will be able to sell a huge fight, but their best days are over...
Fighting Kessler in March is the best option....
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
Mate you know very well this isnt his first tough fight against low opposition. And by the way, ok roy didnt fight heaps of great fighters at super middleweight but who the hell has calzaghe fought. The man doesnt even want kessler and took him like 10 yrs to unify.
If Calzaghe doesnt fight Kessler I will be dissapointed. Taylor and Winky are not fights that are gonna happen anytime soon. Jones Jr and Hopkins are pretty much semi retired, and okay, they will be able to sell a huge fight, but their best days are over...
Fighting Kessler in March is the best option....
Hes gonna fuck his hands for good before he fights kessler by the look of it. Hopkins and jones jr vs calzaghe doesnt appeal to me. Really theyre finished, hopkins is retired and beating roy would prove nothing now. Kessler is the superfight!
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all ive got to say is styles makes fights! u cant say JC would lose its a pretty complex prediction because of the difference in opposition. you would have to put them in the ring together to see ;D.........................by the way what are you refering to as PRIME JC?
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Even Roy at 34 was far superior to Calzaghe now... Its not a complex prediction because everything Calzaghe does in the ring footwork, angles, combinations Jones did far better against better, and more varied opposition. He is the only fighter IMO that would make any hall of famer in his weight classes look silly.
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
nobody is unbeatable im sick of hearing hes unbeatable blah blah hes very good fighter but not unbeatable by any means
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
After he went to LH I stopped being a RJJ fan...Fought to lousy comp and too many easy fights for me BUT>>>>>>>>> That doesn't take awa from how good he was...In his prime..He did dominate Toney...Hopkins tp be fair was not the same fighter he grew to be Jones had a lot more experience over all...But I can think of guys Jones could not beat in his prime...Since Super Middle was not around assuming he was at Middle IMO Hagler would beat a prime Jones...At LH a prime Michael Spinks could beat a prime Jones...Also Archie Moore or Bob Foster....Jones was great but there were better...Thats just my opp though..
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Jones was a freak!!
It was his FIRST title fight at Middleweight that he dominated Bernard Hopkins and one year later in his FIRST fight as a Super Middleweight he dominated the number one pound for pound at the time James Toney. :o
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
*SPOILERS*
Where's my month of coolclicks wacko?
I told you and I bet u a month of coolclicks that Joe would look average his next time out. I'm here to collect ;)
/will even them out with sad ones... :P
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Jones was a freak!!
It was his FIRST title fight at Middleweight that he dominated Bernard Hopkins and one year later in his FIRST fight as a Super Middleweight he dominated the number one pound for pound at the time James Toney.  :o
i thought hopkins come on in later rounds and won 4 rounds ?? but the way he dominated toney was impressive watched that fight for first time 2 weeks ago
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
After he went to LH I stopped being a RJJ fan...Fought to lousy comp and too many easy fights for me BUT>>>>>>>>> That doesn't take awa from how good he was...In his prime..He did dominate Toney...Hopkins tp be fair was not the same fighter he grew to be Jones had a lot more experience over all...But I can think of guys Jones could not beat in his prime...Since Super Middle was not around assuming he was at Middle IMO Hagler would beat a prime Jones...At LH a prime Michael Spinks could beat a prime Jones...Also Archie Moore or Bob Foster....Jones was great but there were better...Thats just my opp though..
Don't forget Billy Conn...The greatest LH of all time, bar none.
Jones was hella fast, but Joe C isn't exactly slow. He's a step slower than Jones, but Joe is faster than most of the guys Jones fought. And to that the fact Joe is WAY more skilled. That's I fight I would have liked to have seen. I wouldn't bet the fight in either direction.
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Kessler is the superfight!
All that cryin about Kess not being all that & now he's a super fight?
You musta watched the Mundine fight again & realized the error of your ways. ;)
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
nobody is unbeatable im sick of hearing hes unbeatable blah blah hes very good fighter but not unbeatable by any means
Roy unless got hit with a lucky punch lets say from NIgel Benn that he didn't see and hit him as hard as Benn could he was unbeatable.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
After he went to LH I stopped being a RJJ fan...Fought to lousy comp and too many easy fights for me BUT>>>>>>>>>
Clinton Woods current Champ
Reggie Johnson who tested everyone he ever fought except Roy
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
After he went to LH I stopped being a RJJ fan...Fought to lousy comp and too many easy fights for me BUT>>>>>>>>> That doesn't take awa from how good he was...In his prime..He did dominate Toney...Hopkins tp be fair was not the same fighter he grew to be Jones had a lot more experience over all...But I can think of guys Jones could not beat in his prime...Since Super Middle was not around assuming he was at Middle IMO Hagler would beat a prime Jones...At LH a prime Michael Spinks could beat a prime Jones...Also Archie Moore or Bob Foster....Jones was great but there were better...Thats just my opp though..
Ok first of all the guys that Jones fought at LHW were very underrated only because he made them look that way... Virgill was a great fighter. Julioz Gonzalez beat that german man Darius everyone wanted Jones to fight, and Jones easily beat Gonzalez. Jones fought McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Tarver(when he was fresh and yes a good fighter), Harding(underrated would have been good in any era of LHW), David Telesco, Lou Devalle would be good in the old days. Roy Jones is too smart, too fast, and too strong for Hagler he would have been the only person I would ever say could overwhelm Hagler. Michael Spinks would take maybe a round or two for Roy to figure out, but he would and he would coast easily winning the fight on the cards. Archie MOore:worse version of James Toney and Jones would beat him up worse than he did Toney. Bob Foster:would be boxed circles around by Roy. Benn wouldn't come over to fight Roy neither would Calzaghe or any of the brittish fighters, and if you watch their styles all of them except Eubank would have been beaten down badly by Roy, and even Eubank would have lost.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Lyle
RJJ did NOT fight Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe, Michalzweski or Ottke
BUT
Out of those listed fighters only Benn and Eubank and Eubank and Calzaghe fought each other and it must be mentioned that RJJ completely dominated a young James Toney and he beat Bernard Hopkins pretty easy too.
RJJ and Calzaghe are hard to compare because Roy was flashy and Joe is all business
After he went to LH I stopped being a RJJ fan...Fought to lousy comp and too many easy fights for me BUT>>>>>>>>> That doesn't take awa from how good he was...In his prime..He did dominate Toney...Hopkins tp be fair was not the same fighter he grew to be Jones had a lot more experience over all...But I can think of guys Jones could not beat in his prime...Since Super Middle was not around assuming he was at Middle IMO Hagler would beat a prime Jones...At LH a prime Michael Spinks could beat a prime Jones...Also Archie Moore or Bob Foster....Jones was great but there were better...Thats just my opp though..
Ok first of all the guys that Jones fought at LHW were very underrated only because he made them look that way... Virgill was a great fighter. Julioz Gonzalez beat that german man Darius everyone wanted Jones to fight, and Jones easily beat Gonzalez. Jones fought McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Tarver(when he was fresh and yes a good fighter), Harding(underrated would have been good in any era of LHW), David Telesco, Lou Devalle would be good in the old days. Roy Jones is too smart, too fast, and too strong for Hagler he would have been the only person I would ever say could overwhelm Hagler. Michael Spinks would take maybe a round or two for Roy to figure out, but he would and he would coast easily winning the fight on the cards. Archie MOore:worse version of James Toney and Jones would beat him up worse than he did Toney. Bob Foster:would be boxed circles around by Roy. Benn wouldn't come over to fight Roy neither would Calzaghe or any of the brittish fighters, and if you watch their styles all of them except Eubank would have been beaten down badly by Roy, and
even Eubank would have lost.
which Eubank would admit, or at least be close to it.
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Prime Jones was on another level to Calzaghe and Joe would be chasing shadows all night long. Jones was the best talent i had seen since Iron Mike and he was a PHENONOMAN.
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
nobody is unbeatable im sick of hearing hes unbeatable blah blah hes very good fighter but not unbeatable by any means
Roy unless got hit with a lucky punch lets say from NIgel Benn that he didn't see and hit him as hard as Benn could he was unbeatable.
well how did montel griffin do so well then in there first meeting if he was unbeatable ?? but i have to agree jones is fantastic fighter and someone mentioned jones fought mike mccallum mccallum was 40s or something like that and was well finished but the way jones done hill with that body shot was impressive
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What alot of people (mainly americans) don't seem to understand about calzaghe is towards the later part of his career he fought often to the level of the person he was fighting 'coz his hands were so F***ed!
Let me explain; b4 eubank all 22 fights he won by TKO, after eubank fight (which eubank didn't leave the bed for 4 days) he had another TKO. In these fights he was brilliant, he had it all, his punching was alot cleaner, there was never any rust coz he trained and sparred exactly like he shud prio to the fights as there wasn't any worry about busting his hands. The the reid fight came...
As most know it went the full 12 rounds, calzaghe bust his hand in the 6-8th, was winning fair easy up untill the hand brake then shit got hard. Don't confuse the reid of the to the reid lacy stopped. He was very focused, wasn't brilliant but had good skills, a cast iron chin, very strong, very fit.
that was the fight that really messed things up for joe, HBO hated the fight, that was the fight calzaghe had to impress in for them to built him up for a RJJ fight, but the hand went. after that he had another TKO i think, followed by again a fight HBO were looking at, that he broke his hand in. He went on to blow mario vient out in the first round, followed by more hand woes.
Pretty much joes, done very little sparring the last 3-4 yrs, he sparrs he brakes his hand, he doesnt sparr, he looks bad in the ring. Saldy, for you lot really, that you wudn't of seen him at his best, even in the lacy fight, i seen him fight better (yes hard to believe u may think) but a few yrs ago lacy wudnt of lasted the 12 rounds ill bet my house on that.
People like Taeth compare the handfull of calzaghes 42 fights he seen to the entire carrer of RJJ, or hopkins, where as their great proformances have overshadowed their bad ones - but iv seen calzaghe at his best and at his worset, and there is no doubt in my mind Calzaghe wud of been a match for any middle or smw EVER - im not saying calzaghe wud of beaten them all, but he could of.. as they cud of beaten him.
Its funny how so many seem to take it as a personal insult when calzaghe is mentiond along with hopkins or RJJ; alot of you should really try watch the calzaghe carrer, im sure some will still think RJJ would win, and hopkins would win - but i think alot of you will be slightly relieved they never got in the ring with him, sure dissapointed coz they wuda been great fights.
Im trying to call it as i honestly believe it (hard im welsh and calzaghe is sum1 i loved and followed sinc ei can remeber)
But Calzaghe V Jones Jr, honstly id call that about 50/50
Calzaghe v hopkins? id give it in favour of calzaghe any day of the week prime for prime.
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What alot of people (mainly americans) don't seem to understand about calzaghe is towards the later part of his career he fought often to the level of the person he was fighting 'coz his hands were so F***ed!
Let me explain; b4 eubank all 22 fights he won by TKO, after eubank fight (which eubank didn't leave the bed for 4 days) he had another TKO. In these fights he was brilliant, he had it all, his punching was alot cleaner, there was never any rust coz he trained and sparred exactly like he shud prio to the fights as there wasn't any worry about busting his hands. The the reid fight came...
As most know it went the full 12 rounds, calzaghe bust his hand in the 6-8th, was winning fair easy up untill the hand brake then S*** got hard. Don't confuse the reid of the to the reid lacy stopped. He was very focused, wasn't brilliant but had good skills, a cast iron chin, very strong, very fit.
that was the fight that really messed things up for joe, HBO hated the fight, that was the fight calzaghe had to impress in for them to built him up for a RJJ fight, but the hand went. after that he had another TKO i think, followed by again a fight HBO were looking at, that he broke his hand in. He went on to blow mario vient out in the first round, followed by more hand woes.
Pretty much joes, done very little sparring the last 3-4 yrs, he sparrs he brakes his hand, he doesnt sparr, he looks bad in the ring. Saldy, for you lot really, that you wudn't of seen him at his best, even in the lacy fight, i seen him fight better (yes hard to believe u may think) but a few yrs ago lacy wudnt of lasted the 12 rounds ill bet my house on that.
People like Taeth compare the handfull of calzaghes 42 fights he seen to the entire carrer of RJJ, or hopkins, where as their great proformances have overshadowed their bad ones - but iv seen calzaghe at his best and at his worset, and there is no doubt in my mind Calzaghe wud of been a match for any middle or smw EVER - im not saying calzaghe wud of beaten them all, but he could of.. as they cud of beaten him.
Its funny how so many seem to take it as a personal insult when calzaghe is mentiond along with hopkins or RJJ; alot of you should really try watch the calzaghe carrer, im sure some will still think RJJ would win, and hopkins would win - but i think alot of you will be slightly relieved they never got in the ring with him, sure dissapointed coz they wuda been great fights.
Im trying to call it as i honestly believe it (hard im welsh and calzaghe is sum1 i loved and followed sinc ei can remeber)
But Calzaghe V Jones Jr, honstly id call that about 50/50
Calzaghe v hopkins? id give it in favour of calzaghe any day of the week prime for prime.
Beautiful!! :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by Preme
What alot of people (mainly americans) don't seem to understand about calzaghe is towards the later part of his career he fought often to the level of the person he was fighting 'coz his hands were so F***ed!
Let me explain; b4 eubank all 22 fights he won by TKO, after eubank fight (which eubank didn't leave the bed for 4 days) he had another TKO. In these fights he was brilliant, he had it all, his punching was alot cleaner, there was never any rust coz he trained and sparred exactly like he shud prio to the fights as there wasn't any worry about busting his hands. The the reid fight came...
As most know it went the full 12 rounds, calzaghe bust his hand in the 6-8th, was winning fair easy up untill the hand brake then shit got hard. Don't confuse the reid of the to the reid lacy stopped. He was very focused, wasn't brilliant but had good skills, a cast iron chin, very strong, very fit.
that was the fight that really messed things up for joe, HBO hated the fight, that was the fight calzaghe had to impress in for them to built him up for a RJJ fight, but the hand went. after that he had another TKO i think, followed by again a fight HBO were looking at, that he broke his hand in. He went on to blow mario vient out in the first round, followed by more hand woes.
Pretty much joes, done very little sparring the last 3-4 yrs, he sparrs he brakes his hand, he doesnt sparr, he looks bad in the ring. Saldy, for you lot really, that you wudn't of seen him at his best, even in the lacy fight, i seen him fight better (yes hard to believe u may think) but a few yrs ago lacy wudnt of lasted the 12 rounds ill bet my house on that.
People like Taeth compare the handfull of calzaghes 42 fights he seen to the entire carrer of RJJ, or hopkins, where as their great proformances have overshadowed their bad ones - but iv seen calzaghe at his best and at his worset, and there is no doubt in my mind Calzaghe wud of been a match for any middle or smw EVER - im not saying calzaghe wud of beaten them all, but he could of.. as they cud of beaten him.
Its funny how so many seem to take it as a personal insult when calzaghe is mentiond along with hopkins or RJJ; alot of you should really try watch the calzaghe carrer, im sure some will still think RJJ would win, and hopkins would win - but i think alot of you will be slightly relieved they never got in the ring with him, sure dissapointed coz they wuda been great fights.
Im trying to call it as i honestly believe it (hard im welsh and calzaghe is sum1 i loved and followed sinc ei can remeber)
But Calzaghe V Jones Jr, honstly id call that about 50/50
Calzaghe v hopkins? id give it in favour of calzaghe any day of the week prime for prime.
I did some boxrec searching and check this out
Roy Jones changed his entire style of punching because of his fragile hands and he went into the Bernard Hopkins fight with a broken right hand, into the Telasco fight with a fractured wrist and into the third Tarver fight witha broken right hand.
Roy started his career out with multiple knockouts at about the same level of competition as Calzaghe.
The difference is that Roy fought Hopkins(a future hall of famer just about to reach his prime) for his first title fight at his first title fight. And Calzaghe fought a past his best Chris Eubank. Roy went into the Hopkins fight with a broken hand and won. Calzaghe broke his during the fight.
Roy never called off a fight due to injury, whether he did it in sparring or whatever, he went into the fight with the injury and won impressively.
And Roy was talented enough that he even played basketball the morning of the fight(in a competitive league) against future champion Eric Lucas and won impressively in that fight.
Doing basketball the morning would sap you more then not sparring would because at least you'd have your legs.
And still then, Roy wouldn't look bad, and Lucas is better opposition imo then Robin Reid. I only seen highlights of him fighting a matrix guy and Lacy so thats all I have to go by :dontknow:
Roy beat James Toney in his prime and looked very impressive at a time when he was just peaking and fyi it was Roy Jones' FIRST fight at 168 that he beat the p4p number 1 James Toney.
But when Roy beat Toney Calzaghe had just turned pro. And by the time Roy knocked out Griffin in the rematch Calzaghe then beat Eubank.
By the time 99 came around when you mentioned Calzaghe fighting Reid, Roy was unifying the title at Light Heavyweight against a very rugged and very GOOD Reggie Johnson who I place above everyone on Calzaghe's resume in terms of skill(and Calzaghe beat a past his best Eubank, if he had beaten Eubank in his prime then I would place Eubank above Reggie Johnson, but he didnt so Reggie Johnson is just above a past his best Eubank imo)
here's the breakdown of the competition faced after the Roy Jones Reggie Johnson fight
And the Calzaghe vs. Reid fight
Roy Jones fought
David Telesco
Richard Hall
Eric Harding(undefeated and had just beaten Tarver going the entire 12th round without Tarver landing a punch on him)(Tarver was 0 for 15 in the 12th round)
Derrick Harmon
Julio Gonzalez(future world champion)
Glen Kelly
Clinton Woods(current world champion)
That was before his move up, to be fair lets look at Joes next 7 opponents
Rick Thornberry
David Starie
Omar Sheika
Richie Woodhall(natural middleweight)
Will McIntyre
Charles Brewer(past his best)
Miguel Angel Jimenez(no clue who he is but I know he beat a 3-15-2 fighter to get a shot at joe)
Roy had already unified the titles and had defended them.
But I don't see Markus Beyer anywhere on Calzaghe's resume and he was the champion at the time, but Calzaghe fought his leftovers(Woodhall) instead. Why didn't he fight Beyer and try to unify?
Matter of fact why didn't Calzaghe fight Eric Lucas(Roy Jones victim that he played basketball before stopping) when he became WBC Super Middleweight champ?
Now granted I did see that he was trying to get a fight with Sven Ottke. Can anyone explain why that fight fell through?
Anyway Calzaghe could have fought this opposition at the LEAST could have fought Beyer or Lucas but he didnt.
He spoke of even going up to Light Heavyweight to fight Roy Jones eventually and was going to fight Glen Johnson in his move up. But Calzaghe broke his hand and withdrew, but once it healed he fought the likes of Mger Mkrtchian, Kabary Salem and a rematch with Mario Veit. What happened to the Glen Johnson fight ???
Well thats just the facts I looked up. Just felt you should know.
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Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
Jones was great in his prime but I have said it a million times, boxing is styles put roy in with tommy hearns and he has nightmares tall fighters with a great reach good jab and straight right hand nullifys Jones...
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Re: This is why nobody can be compared to prime Jones..
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
So Joe has a tuff fight & now he's overratted?
Bullshit. I just don't buy it...& I aint even seen the fight. Thing is...Joe's beaten a shitload of fighters on his side of the lake that are worthy adversary's & he's remained undefeated in 41 fights.
Nothing overratted about that. A couple of hard fights out of 40 or 41 does not make one overratted.
Personally...Jones weren't no god at 168. Other than a green Hopkins, Paz, & Toney...Roy was doing his fair share of bum beating.
Mate you know very well this isnt his first tough fight against low opposition. And by the way, ok roy didnt fight heaps of great fighters at super middleweight but who the hell has calzaghe fought. The man doesnt even want kessler and took him like 10 yrs to unify.
If Calzaghe doesnt fight Kessler I will be dissapointed. Taylor and Winky are not fights that are gonna happen anytime soon. Jones Jr and Hopkins are pretty much semi retired, and okay, they will be able to sell a huge fight, but their best days are over...
Fighting Kessler in March is the best option....
If his management does't know that.... Its sad. His management through his career wasn't nessiserily to take the high road... But the road less traveled. He... At his peak neads to bite the bullet. He is a great but someone needs to tell him , he is an all time great in the making. As an american, I know no oneknows him... He can fight @ M.E.N. if he wants to... But make it a NAME fight... Please Joe!!!!!!! I'm a fan. Let me remember you as an all time great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
Your, DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!! CC. Jones was untouchable. And no, he had no stinkers, he won every single round of most of his fights, occasionally losing a round or two with the exception of maybe the first Griffin fight.
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
Your, DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!! CC. Jones was untouchable. And no, he had no stinkers, he won every single round of most of his fights, occasionally losing a round or two with the exception of maybe the first Griffin fight.
LOOK, I love Jones but he fought Paz... A home town boy!!! One of my Favs!!! But was he on Jone's level... Stop it. I know... He fought all the Marcianos and Alis of the time.....hahahahahah....no really..................................stop
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
Your, DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!! CC. Jones was untouchable. And no, he had no stinkers, he won every single round of most of his fights, occasionally losing a round or two with the exception of maybe the first Griffin fight.
You were right about Jones never losing a round at 168. The first Griffin fight was at Light heavyweight.
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Joe is over rated and ive been saying it since his win over lacy. He doesnt compare to roy at super middleweight. Roy at super middleweight was unbeatable.
Your, DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!! CC. Jones was untouchable. And no, he had no stinkers, he won every single round of most of his fights, occasionally losing a round or two with the exception of maybe the first Griffin fight.
You were right about Jones never losing a round at 168. The first Griffin fight was at Light heavyweight.
Didnt know that, VD thank... :D
