Calzaghe-Kessler: If it happens, who wins?

Well pretty obviously it needs to happen.

Assuming it does, and I'm definitely not certain that it will, who would win. Why?

OK, OK.......
I'm gonna say it.... I didnt wanna say it cause people were gonna say something like 'Now Kesslers the man to everybody cause he beat Beyer' I'm putting this out cause I really did do this. If you check the threads back in late '04 begining of '05 I created a thread about fighters that I felt were the future of the boxing world in my list I had: 'Bad' Chad Dawson, Steven Luevano, Librado Andrade, Giovani Segura, Mikkel Kessler, Jose Navarro and others.

Anyway my point is I've always felt Kessler has the goods and I aint lying if you think I'm lying search back and you'll find the thread.

Kessler is just such a physical fighters and goes forward, IMO Kessler would be toooo much for Joe I really think Kessler can stop Joe. No doubt about it, I can assure you IF Joe decides to do that whole tauting and how he puts his hands to the side really low hes gonna be a done deal. I bet he doesnt do that with Kessler.

So I voted Kessler mid-way stoppage rd. 6-8.

Calzaghe

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Originally Posted by Starr

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No reason why? That's surprising, I thought you thought of Calzaghe as pretty average.

Ofcourse he wouldnt put his hands down the sides. How and why would he do that against a champ? perhaps u saw dat in da lacy fight?? Be sober!!!! >:mad

I don't know who would win, I know Calzaghe would fight a smarter and better fight than he did against Bika. Calzaghe's probably faster but Kessler throws straighter punches, maybe smarter too, definitely takes less risks.

I might lean towards Kessler.

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Originally Posted by El leftupperator

Ofcourse he wouldnt put his hands down the sides. How and why would he do that against a champ? perhaps u saw dat in da lacy fight?? Be sober!!!! >:mad

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A Calzaghe fan? ;D

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Originally Posted by El leftupperator

Ofcourse he wouldnt put his hands down the sides. How and why would he do that against a champ? perhaps u saw dat in da lacy fight?? Be sober!!!! >:mad

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Welcome to the forum heres your 1st cool click, on me. ;)

I've seen Joe do that whole arms to the side thing in about 4 fights at first I thought it was a sign of tiredness in his arms but then I saw the other fights and realised it something he does. Not sure why? But he does it, now that might be just the way he fights all the time or he might just do that when he feels his opponent poses no threat to him.

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OK, OK.......
I'm gonna say it.... I didnt wanna say it cause people were gonna say something like 'Now Kesslers the man to everybody cause he beat Beyer' I'm putting this out cause I really did do this. If you check the threads back in late '04 begining of '05 I created a thread about fighters that I felt were the future of the boxing world in my list I had: 'Bad' Chad Dawson, Steven Luevano, Librado Andrade, Giovani Segura, Mikkel Kessler, Jose Navarro and others.

Anyway my point is I've always felt Kessler has the goods and I aint lying if you think I'm lying search back and you'll find the thread.

Kessler is just such a physical fighters and goes forward, IMO Kessler would be toooo much for Joe I really think Kessler can stop Joe. No doubt about it, I can assure you IF Joe decides to do that whole tauting and how he puts his hands to the side really low hes gonna be a done deal. I bet he doesnt do that with Kessler.

So I voted Kessler mid-way stoppage rd. 6-8.

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Cc. I agree with pretty much all your points. Except that I think Kessler would stop him in 4 or 5 rounds

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OK, OK.......
I'm gonna say it.... I didnt wanna say it cause people were gonna say something like 'Now Kesslers the man to everybody cause he beat Beyer' I'm putting this out cause I really did do this. If you check the threads back in late '04 begining of '05 I created a thread about fighters that I felt were the future of the boxing world in my list I had: 'Bad' Chad Dawson, Steven Luevano, Librado Andrade, Giovani Segura, Mikkel Kessler, Jose Navarro and others.

Anyway my point is I've always felt Kessler has the goods and I aint lying if you think I'm lying search back and you'll find the thread.

Kessler is just such a physical fighters and goes forward, IMO Kessler would be toooo much for Joe I really think Kessler can stop Joe. No doubt about it, I can assure you IF Joe decides to do that whole tauting and how he puts his hands to the side really low hes gonna be a done deal. I bet he doesnt do that with Kessler.

So I voted Kessler mid-way stoppage rd. 6-8.

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Cc. I agree with pretty much all your points. Except that I think Kessler would stop him in 4 or 5 rounds

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At 1st my instincts told me early stoppage but then I figured Joe would get on his bike and pedal not only that but pedal backwards. So I said he would probably get away with that for about half of the fight 'till Kessler catches up with him.

Its like the pre Lacy days all over again!! ;D

Calzaghe would be much more professional against Kessler, there would be more attention on this fight and everything at stake....a fight that would add to his legacy in a greater way than the Lacy fight...you can bet he will be ready...

Lets not forget something here. He blew away Beyer. Beyer is not Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has an iron chin, great handspeed, high output and vastly UNDERRATED boxing skills. Kessler is the man with it all to prove against Calzaghe...

Too many minds are being swayed by last weekends fights....

Calzaghe by decsion or late tko....

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by Starr

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No reason why? That's surprising, I thought you thought of Calzaghe as pretty average.

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Kessler's style falls very much into Calzaghe's counterpunching style. of course Kessler could catch Calzaghe with that straight right in between those flurries, but his hooks would be ineffective if Calzaghe keeped his hands up.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

OK, OK.......
I'm gonna say it.... I didnt wanna say it cause people were gonna say something like 'Now Kesslers the man to everybody cause he beat Beyer' I'm putting this out cause I really did do this. If you check the threads back in late '04 begining of '05 I created a thread about fighters that I felt were the future of the boxing world in my list I had: 'Bad' Chad Dawson, Steven Luevano, Librado Andrade, Giovani Segura, Mikkel Kessler, Jose Navarro and others.

Anyway my point is I've always felt Kessler has the goods and I aint lying if you think I'm lying search back and you'll find the thread.

Kessler is just such a physical fighters and goes forward, IMO Kessler would be toooo much for Joe I really think Kessler can stop Joe. No doubt about it, I can assure you IF Joe decides to do that whole tauting and how he puts his hands to the side really low hes gonna be a done deal. I bet he doesnt do that with Kessler.

So I voted Kessler mid-way stoppage rd. 6-8.

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Cc. I agree with pretty much all your points. Except that I think Kessler would stop him in 4 or 5 rounds

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Thats my my bro....Calzaghe goes out on his shield against Kessler

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Originally Posted by miles

Its like the pre Lacy days all over again!! ;D

Calzaghe would be much more professional against Kessler, there would be more attention on this fight and everything at stake....a fight that would add to his legacy in a greater way than the Lacy fight...you can bet he will be ready...

Lets not forget something here. He blew away Beyer. Beyer is not Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has an iron chin, great handspeed, high output and vastly UNDERRATED boxing skills. Kessler is the man with it all to prove against Calzaghe...

Too many minds are being swayed by last weekends fights....

Calzaghe by decsion or late tko....

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I'm not so much swayed by last weekend, although I was impressed with Kessler's performance, I'm of the opinion that Joe can fight a lot better than he did versus Bika.

I do think Kessler's a tougher matchup for Joe than Lacy though, he's got more options, great jab, better defensively, a smarter fighter. Kessler's agressiveness is more controlled and smarter than Lacy's too, less open. I think its a real close matchup.

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Originally Posted by miles

Its like the pre Lacy days all over again!! ;D

Calzaghe would be much more professional against Kessler, there would be more attention on this fight and everything at stake....a fight that would add to his legacy in a greater way than the Lacy fight...you can bet he will be ready...

Lets not forget something here. He blew away Beyer. Beyer is not Joe Calzaghe.

Calzaghe has an iron chin, great handspeed, high output and vastly UNDERRATED boxing skills. Kessler is the man with it all to prove against Calzaghe...

Too many minds are being swayed by last weekends fights....

Calzaghe by decsion or late tko....

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I'm not so much swayed by last weekend, although I was impressed with Kessler's performance, I'm of the opinion that Joe can fight a lot better than he did versus Bika.

I do think Kessler's a tougher matchup for Joe than Lacy though, he's got more options, great jab, better defensively, a smarter fighter. Kessler's agressiveness is more controlled and smarter than Lacy's too, less open. I think its a real close matchup.

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Yes, It would certainly be a much closer contest than the Lacy fight. Kessler is a good all round fighter and he does have decent skills.

Of all the options being bandied about such as Jones Jr, Hopkins and Kessler...Kessler has the greatest chance of beating Calzaghe IMO. But to beat Calzaghe Kessler will need some luck....a peak form Calzaghe has him out of there with a clear UD/TKO...

Common sense dictates that Beyer aint Calzaghe & a lot of people are leaping to judgements world wide now because Kess blasted out Beyer & Joe went 12 with Bika.

#1: Let's not forget Bika was beating Beyer when they fought...so it's hard to get to stoked on the 3rd round ko...even though I was pleased as fwock.
#2: Simply put...again, Beyer & Calzaghe are two leagues apart in all aspects...Kess'd have some trouble with Joe's speed.
#3: Joe's output could put a damper on Kessler's power.

All that being said. I'd like to see Joe unify becaues I'm a big fan of the man...but then again...I'm a huge Kessler fan...so I wouldn't mind him winning either.

So...in Kess's favor...

#1: Power & youth baby! Nuff said.
#2: Kess get's his jab going...Joe's fwocked. That jab would stop Calzaghe's flurries in his tracks.
#3: The biggest factor I think? Joe himself. Let him show up to fight the Dane half assed motivated like he did Bika & Joe is counting bulbs for the rest of the evening.

Sorry people...I wanna say that it's gonna be a pick em...but I'm leaning towards Joe & almost kinda hoping for disappointment...I'd love to see a Kessler win or maybe a draw.

I still say that Joe pulls it out.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Common sense dictates that Beyer aint Calzaghe & a lot of people are leaping to judgements world wide now because Kess blasted out Beyer & Joe went 12 with Bika.

#1: Let's not forget Bika was beating Beyer when they fought...so it's hard to get to stoked on the 3rd round ko...even though I was pleased as fwock.
#2: Simply put...again, Beyer & Calzaghe are two leagues apart in all aspects...Kess'd have some trouble with Joe's speed.
#3: Joe's output could put a damper on Kessler's power.

All that being said. I'd like to see Joe unify becaues I'm a big fan of the man...but then again...I'm a huge Kessler fan...so I wouldn't mind him winning either.

So...in Kess's favor...

#1: Power & youth baby! Nuff said.
#2: Kess get's his jab going...Joe's fwocked. That jab would stop Calzaghe's flurries in his tracks.
#3: The biggest factor I think? Joe himself. Let him show up to fight the Dane half assed motivated like he did Bika & Joe is counting bulbs for the rest of the evening.

Sorry people...I wanna say that it's gonna be a pick em...but I'm leaning towards Joe & almost kinda hoping for disappointment...I'd love to see a Kessler win or maybe a draw.

I still say that Joe pulls it out.

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I luv ya ...You faithful Mutha!!!! But listen at 34 age is creeping on the welshman I'm sorry but very few can defy father time....The boxingReeper is coming for Joe's Soul just like he did to Sugar Ray Leonard, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones jr and very soon James Toney(I will miss him) etc....Joe peaked with Lacy....It only goes down hill from here its the way of the Boxing eco-system....Only a select few can live to be 100 in life just like a few boxers can perform at a high level till there 40 and be effective(B-Hop)no one hates it more than me Wacks and we both know when he calls your # its over.....

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I luv ya ...You faithful Mutha!!!! But listen at 34 age is creeping on the welshman I'm sorry but very few can defy father time....The boxingReeper is coming for Joe's Soul just like he did to Sugar Ray Leonard, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones jr and very soon James Toney(I will miss him) etc....Joe peaked with Lacy....It only goes down hill from here its the way of the Boxing eco-system....Only a select few can live to be 100 in life just like a few boxers can perform at a high level till there 40 and be effective(B-Hop)no one hates it more than me Wacks and we both know when he calls your # its over.....

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:coolclick: Agreed.

Age will become a factor for Joe & he could get old in 2-3 rounds if Kess catches him correctly...but I just don't wanna put my eggs in a basket that has a whole in it.

As other people said beyer is not joe, so the weekends fights don't mean jack. I think calzaghe beats kessler as long as he fights a smart fight and stays focused. He looks to me much quicker than kessler, kessler might have more power, but what's power matter if the other guy has a rock solid chin and enough speed to escape plenty of your punches. I take joe by late stopage or comfortable ud.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I don't know who would win, I know Calzaghe would fight a smarter and better fight than he did against Bika. Calzaghe's probably faster but Kessler throws straighter punches, maybe smarter too, definitely takes less risks.

I might lean towards Kessler.

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So do I. I saw the Kessler-Beyer fight - and Beyer was miles away. He couldn´t even spoil the match as he usually does when up against stronger fighters. The very minute Beyer tried to fight he was hammered down. I have followed Kessler since his debut 8 years ago - and he just keep getting better. Calzaghe is a great fighter - up to saturday night perhaps the best in the world. But not any longer. And as a boxingfan it sounds ridicolous to even consider Hopkins as an alternative??? To those of you who thinks that Kessler is clumsy or slow - you couldnt be more wrong. The longer Calzaghe avoids Kessler the more unlikely a Calzaghe-win will be. Be a man Calzaghe - and give us the fight we deserve!

im going with calzaghe. he wasnt at his best in the bika fight but he will train hard for this guy. that will be a good fight

saw the Kessler fight on youtube. Something about him just doesn't seem right. I don't think he's ready for Calzaghe.

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OK, OK.......
I'm gonna say it.... I didnt wanna say it cause people were gonna say something like 'Now Kesslers the man to everybody cause he beat Beyer' I'm putting this out cause I really did do this. If you check the threads back in late '04 begining of '05 I created a thread about fighters that I felt were the future of the boxing world in my list I had: 'Bad' Chad Dawson, Steven Luevano, Librado Andrade, Giovani Segura, Mikkel Kessler, Jose Navarro and others.

Anyway my point is I've always felt Kessler has the goods and I aint lying if you think I'm lying search back and you'll find the thread.

Kessler is just such a physical fighters and goes forward, IMO Kessler would be toooo much for Joe I really think Kessler can stop Joe. No doubt about it, I can assure you IF Joe decides to do that whole tauting and how he puts his hands to the side really low hes gonna be a done deal. I bet he doesnt do that with Kessler.

So I voted Kessler mid-way stoppage rd. 6-8.

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Cc. I agree with pretty much all your points. Except that I think Kessler would stop him in 4 or 5 rounds

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Back at 'ya.
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At 1st my instincts told me early stoppage but then I figured Joe would get on his bike and pedal not only that but pedal backwards. So I said he would probably get away with that for about half of the fight 'till Kessler catches up with him.

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Bike? Calzaghe doesn't know what backwards means. 40 plus fights and barely a backwards step. Have you seen hime fight?

Yeah I watched Kessler on youtube too. It's painfully obvious he can't outbox Calzaghe. He didn't throw anything but jabs and crosses. He looks very big and obviously has a punchers chance against anyone but he has slow feet and would be an easy target for Calzaghe. I'm convinced that this is a carbon copy of the Lacy fight. A better fight would be Bika Kessler would love to see that.

I honestly only see Calzaghe having problems with Taylor and Wright (that hand would never stand up to pounding Winkys arms and elbows) and neither of those will happen.

Kessler then Hopkins then Taylor or Wright then retire Joe.

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I'll get excited about him beating Beyer with a one punch knock down... when a time machine is created that removes the period in History when Bika was beating Beyer until the fight was stopped because Beyer was cut.

Right on.

Not jumping on any 'Bika is suddenly great since he gave Joe a tough night bandwagon'. If Bika's so s**t lets see how many of the supermiddles fancy a piece of him now.

I still give Joe the edge even after his average showing and Kessler's impressive showing this weekend. I will never write Joe off after after i have learnt my lesson!

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Common sense dictates that Beyer aint Calzaghe & a lot of people are leaping to judgements world wide now because Kess blasted out Beyer & Joe went 12 with Bika.

#1: Let's not forget Bika was beating Beyer when they fought...so it's hard to get to stoked on the 3rd round ko...even though I was pleased as fwock.
#2: Simply put...again, Beyer & Calzaghe are two leagues apart in all aspects...Kess'd have some trouble with Joe's speed.
#3: Joe's output could put a damper on Kessler's power.

All that being said. I'd like to see Joe unify becaues I'm a big fan of the man...but then again...I'm a huge Kessler fan...so I wouldn't mind him winning either.

So...in Kess's favor...

#1: Power & youth baby! Nuff said.
#2: Kess get's his jab going...Joe's fwocked. That jab would stop Calzaghe's flurries in his tracks.
#3: The biggest factor I think? Joe himself. Let him show up to fight the Dane half assed motivated like he did Bika & Joe is counting bulbs for the rest of the evening.

Sorry people...I wanna say that it's gonna be a pick em...but I'm leaning towards Joe & almost kinda hoping for disappointment...I'd love to see a Kessler win or maybe a draw.

I still say that Joe pulls it out.

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I agree with you, the Kessler's jab will give him a chance. Joe is faster, he has better D, and has more available weapons, but I'm a big believer in the power of a good jab. I just watched the Beyer fight tonight, and that KO was classic. The right might have done the damage, but that constant stiff jab set it up. That being said...

Beyer is stiff. He doesn't move at all. He's slow as hell. He isn't creative. Peter Manfredo Jr. would beat him. Seriously.

Unless Joe breaks his hand, I think he beats Kessler. If Joe's hand isn't 100%, but he won't have the power to keep Kessler off him. Joe can't beat him one handed.

Honestly I change my mind every other day on this fight

I do think Joe's open for Kessler's jab and straight right, but how will Kessler react to Joe's speed and activity?

And is Joe slowing down? If not now he might be by the time this fight gets made.

Kessler is more conservative and takes less risks, but will Joe tighten up for Kessler, probably so. I don't expect the wildness of the Bika fight in a Kessler fight.

Maybe Joe. Of course on page one I said maybe Kessler ;D

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Common sense dictates that Beyer aint Calzaghe & a lot of people are leaping to judgements world wide now because Kess blasted out Beyer & Joe went 12 with Bika.

#1: Let's not forget Bika was beating Beyer when they fought...so it's hard to get to stoked on the 3rd round ko...even though I was pleased as fwock.
#2: Simply put...again, Beyer & Calzaghe are two leagues apart in all aspects...Kess'd have some trouble with Joe's speed.
#3: Joe's output could put a damper on Kessler's power.

All that being said. I'd like to see Joe unify becaues I'm a big fan of the man...but then again...I'm a huge Kessler fan...so I wouldn't mind him winning either.

So...in Kess's favor...

#1: Power & youth baby! Nuff said.
#2: Kess get's his jab going...Joe's fwocked. That jab would stop Calzaghe's flurries in his tracks.
#3: The biggest factor I think? Joe himself. Let him show up to fight the Dane half assed motivated like he did Bika & Joe is counting bulbs for the rest of the evening.

Sorry people...I wanna say that it's gonna be a pick em...but I'm leaning towards Joe & almost kinda hoping for disappointment...I'd love to see a Kessler win or maybe a draw.

I still say that Joe pulls it out.

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I agree with you, the Kessler's jab will give him a chance. Joe is faster, he has better D, and has more available weapons, but I'm a big believer in the power of a good jab. I just watched the Beyer fight tonight, and that KO was classic. The right might have done the damage, but that constant stiff jab set it up. That being said...

Beyer is stiff. He doesn't move at all. He's slow as hell. He isn't creative. Peter Manfredo Jr. would beat him. Seriously.

Unless Joe breaks his hand, I think he beats Kessler. If Joe's hand isn't 100%, but he won't have the power to keep Kessler off him. Joe can't beat him one handed.

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Good post. Joe should win but you're right he'll have trouble with Kessler. I seen Kessler only a few times but he has what it takes to beat a southpaw like JC. The way to neutralize speed is with a good jab, especially a southpaw. After hypnotizing Joe with the jab comes the hard right. From what I seen Kessler's right is something not to mess with. Like they say, styles make fights and I think Kessler has the style to beat JC.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Well pretty obviously it needs to happen.

Assuming it does, and I'm definitely not certain that it will, who would win. Why?

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I thought I knew until Calzaghe's last fight....now I just don't know....

calzaghe is way to busy for him. wide UD for joe. i think a lot of peeps in this site are over rating kessler and being way to hasty predicting kessler giving joe an ass whuping

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calzaghe is way to busy for him. wide UD for joe. i think a lot of peeps in this site are over rating kessler and being way to hasty predicting kessler giving joe an a** whuping

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CC, couldnt agree with you more! A weekend has changed an awful lot of minds. My mind is as resolute as ever though. Calzaghe is too good for Kessler. Only if something goes wrong with Calzaghes body will he lose it...

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calzaghe is way to busy for him. wide UD for joe. i think a lot of peeps in this site are over rating kessler and being way to hasty predicting kessler giving joe an a** whuping

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Nah this site is way more sceptical towards Kessler than other sites - Has been entire time i've been around.

A similar poll on ESB also running now has Kessler a clear favourite.

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calzaghe is way to busy for him. wide UD for joe. i think a lot of peeps in this site are over rating kessler and being way to hasty predicting kessler giving joe an a** whuping

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Nah this site is way more sceptical towards Kessler than other sites - Has been entire time i've been around.

A similar poll on ESB also running now has Kessler a clear favourite.

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Hahahaha ;D Eastside boxing!!!! ::** ;D

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Originally Posted by jbirdy

calzaghe is way to busy for him. wide UD for joe. i think a lot of peeps in this site are over rating kessler and being way to hasty predicting kessler giving joe an a** whuping

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Nah this site is way more sceptical towards Kessler than other sites - Has been entire time i've been around.

A similar poll on ESB also running now has Kessler a clear favourite.

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Hahahaha ;D Eastside boxing!!!! ::** ;D

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Can understand why you don't like it. You'd be constantly ridiculed over there.

But they do have a small british section, where Calzaghe fans are generally left alone to lick their wounds inbetween veturing out in the real world (the general forum) ;D