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Let us say that after Marvin Hagler beats Tommy Hearns in 1985 he decides to move up in weight, postponing the Spinks/Holmes fight. What would happen in the fight? I have always been interested to think how Marvin would have fared in this fight since Spinks did call him out a few times, an Marvin always wanted the welterweights to fight him, yet he never moved up. He did have a great chin and good power at middleweight.
well i think hagler would be too aggressive for him from what ive seen tyson was and even larry holmes in the rematch with spinks was more aggressive and spinks didnt like it because he likes to pick his shots so i say hagler wins on aggression although i could be wrong not seen many spinks fights but im just calling it from what ive seen from spinks
Spinks had a huge advanatage in sheer size didn't he? Not really weight but just the structure of his body was much bigger I thought
yeah Spinks was 6-2 1/2 , Although Hearns was 6-1 3/4 which might as well say 6-2.. But Michael was a legit Lightheavy.. This would have been a natural fight.
I would have to say that Hagler by decision. He had a great chin and would have held his own against Spinks. If one of the Davis brothers could keep it a close fight with Spinks, I think Hagler's aggression would have brought him home the winner. People might say that Qawi's aggression was supposed to win him the fight and it didn't. But Qawi was much shorter and relied less on boxing skills and more on a knockout punch than Hagler did. Hagler's boxing skills were not noticed as much because he outboxed guys then beat the shit out of them.
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Spinks would have been too classy for Hagler. He would have used his height and reach advantage and boxed his way to a UD.
Even mentioning the fights he had with Holmes and Tyson is just stupid.
Welcome onboard, agree with you here aswell so :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hench
why is it?? i was making a point with the few spinks fights ive seen he didnt like people that were aggressive holmes for example changed his tactics and spinks should of lost the fight plus spinks was complaining in his corner mostly every round and tyson fight tyson come right at him and he lasted 88 seconds so i dont see how that is stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by Hench
Spinks would have won with ease
Hagler knew he couldnt beat Spinks. Thats why the fight never happened.
Hagler is good but he would of been too small.
Hagler can't winthis, though I respect him as the second best after Leonard of his time he can't win... Spinks is too big, and too skilled for Hagler to beat...
Because there is a massive difference between losing to Marvin Hagler who is a middleweight and having 2 very close fights with Larry Holmes who was a Heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I thought that was obvious.
Although Hagler was a great middleweight, I think Spinks would have beat him on size. I think Hearns would have given Spinks a better fight than Hagler. Stylewise Hearns could move up and fight better guys more evenly. Why? I am not sure. Hagler beats Hearns, but Hearns could beat alot of guys who Hagler would stuggle with. The Spinks Jinx would have hit Hagler in the first or second round and I doubt Hagler would have pressed forward much.
Too much size difference. SPinks via UD
i was on about aggressive side of it and how spinks hated it not the weight difference no one knows what hagler would be like at lightheavyweight anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Hench
Hagler was 5'9. Holmes was 6'3.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
tyson was 5 10 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hench
Mike Tyson was 223 also. Spinks would outweight Hagler by alot at light heavyweight... the only guys I could see beating Spinks moving up from middleweight were Roy Jones Jr., and Bernard Hopkins.
So we've gone from comparing Holmes to Hagler, to Tyson to Hagler ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
ur not getting it what im trying to say is that holmes and tyson both fought aggressive fight vs spinks and spinks couldnt really handle it forgetting size and ect and hagler is very aggressive guy with iron chin so i think he could take spinks
A very silly thread. Spinks would use distance and pick his shots. Hagler would have a tough time getting in close....
Spinks would win with yarns to spare...
Again a very stupid thread...
Yeah but those fights were at heavyweight where he could be outmuscled. Not at light heavyweight where he was naturalQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Tyson was more skilled, faster, and way stronger than Hagler, Holmes had a great jab was 6'4, and was one of the best heavyweight ever... thats 25 pounds up from light heavyweight... FOr this reason Spinks wasn't as a big of a puncher p4p at that weight, and both of those guys could likely take way more punishment than Hagler.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I don't think he gets it.
No way Taeth - Hagler was a better fighter in every department than Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I concur doctor.....
Really good question!! never thought about this one... I didn't ever really like Spinks but i think Haggler was one dimensional as well. Haggler was well skilled and used power to dominate so his advantages would be lessened as he moved up in weight. Spunks used an unorthodox style to frustrate opponent's and was quite fast,picking good counter punching opportunities. Haggler had trouble with Leonard due to his skills, so make him taller and stronger and more frustrating and i see Spinks as the winner by decision. Haggler's chance is by ko but since Holmes couldn't get to him with a traditional and sound style with a great jab i don't see Haggler doing it.
One other comment if i may to the more knowledgable and experienced posters, I think it is unwise to criticize other peoples opinion with comments such as "stupid" or "idiot" it is unnecessary and discourages involvement in the forum. It wont be much fun talking to yourself. I encourage criticism or shall we say counter viewpoints esp when they are supported by evidence. Thanx to all.
I think if you compare the Spinks who fought at heavyweight to the Spinks who would fight Marvin Hagler, that is a much different Spinks. If he fought Marvin, Michael Spinks would have a size advantage which he did not have at heavyweight, especially in weight. Michael would not be moving back with Hagler.. Hagler would probably see things he never saw before in that he would not be able to bully Spinks around like he did the guys he fought at middleweight. The thing I give Hagler which would maybe work for him is the southpaw stance and his speed. He was faster than most people give him credit for, although when he got a little older he stood more and started to slug like he did with Mugabi and Leonard. With Hearns, Hagler fought that way because he knew he had to for the win. This is why I think he might not have fought Spinks. With Hearns he put up the fight of his life and fought a certain way knowing he would not win with boxing. So he would know Spinks would have the same advantages as Hearns, although Hearns was faster than Spinks.. But for Hearns,Mugabi and Leonard Hagler slugged, and he did well with that style since he could punch hard and he had a great chin. Hagler was not one dimensional at all. in his younger years he was a technical fighter who was overwhelming. But if Hagler moved up to Spinks division. I would see Spinks land the jinx and Marvin trying to push the fight with activity, but the weight difference would be the key. I just do not know if Hagler at 5-9 could have moved up and fought effectively.Hagler was such a great middleweight, but the dominance I think was made for 160. I wonder if the Spinks Jinx would hurt Marvin. .
I think Spinks would have been a comfortable(ish) winner had they fought in 1985/6.
Hagler had lost a lot of speed by then & that would have beem his only advantage against the bigger stronger Spinks.
yeah..but Hagler brought the hammer!!!! and Spinks didn't like the pressure brought on him...I think Hagler would do what B-HOP did......I am in no way saying Tarver is anywhere near Spinks....Quote:
Originally Posted by raleigh
You stupid idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
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I think Spinks as a heavy was past his best. My memory is as a 17 year old winning an Olymipic gold against a 300 bout Russian 26 year old and bashing the fuck out of him. I was impressed
The Spinks Jinx was a hard punch. I am not sure it is as sharp as Tommy Hearns right hand or John Mugabi's left hook, but it is hard and it would have been thrown at a division which Hagler was not accustomed to.