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According to Fightnews.com, the WBC has allowed judge scoring to be revealed after the 4th and 8th rounds.
What do you guys think of this? Do you think this will help avoid controversial suprise decisions?
The article noted that it has been tried before in the eighties, but trainers used this knowledge to adjust their strategies midfight. Wouldn't it be easy to avoid this abuse and if not, is trainers doing this really such a bad thing?
I think it would be a positive thing....It would force fighters to fight the whole fight....and maybe stop all the bs hometown judging crap....Quote:
Originally Posted by a harmful of swallows
Not sure about this one...........
it would keep judges from being influenced because everyone could see what the judge was doing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I think its an absolutely brilliant idea in theory, after all boxing is one of the only major sports where you have no idea how well you are doing during a fight.
In response to the concern about it affecting trainer tactics, well surely that has to be good right? I mean what use would an NFL or soccer coach be with 15 minutes to go if he didn't know if his side were winning or losing?
The only problem I see with this though is hometown judging might be even worse.
If after every round (or 4 rounds) the scores were made known to the crowd, imagine the boos and hostility that could be unleashed on judges that voted against the crowd favourite?
But I think it is an interesting idea and one worth being tested.
Excellent .. Now lets make "18 Foot Rings " mandatory ! If Valuev can fight in an 18 foot ring, anyone can...
>:mad I hate seeing a 25 foot ring.
The only problem I see with this though is hometown judging might be even worse.
Thats the first thing I thought mate.
isnt part of the excitment of a fight going into the final round when ur sitting next to one of your mates, one of you screaming saying one has won and the other saying his fighter has won. if the scores r shown in the 8th wiyth the fucking rounds onli limited to 12 people could easily predict, its terrible, and should never be implemented imo :(
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Originally Posted by oakleyno1
I agree.
I agree. I dont want to see the judges score cards until after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
What bothers me the most, is that I am watching fights (cotto video I am working on) and I can't help it when I hear Teddy Atlas say "We don't know what the judges are looking for." (He also says things like "We don't know what a judge enjoys in a fight.")
Statements like those above are very troubling to me.
It's the samething over and over again. You put three people in a room, and a lot of times people are seeing a different fight.
Age of the judges? I have seen some old azz judges who can not even drive a motor vehicle anymore, let alone judge a fast paced fight.
In closing, after skimming thru the following articles below, judging rules, explinations are flawed and contradictory.
What I am going to do, is read these articles and then come up with some examples. I would like others to do the samething if they have time. Let's see on how much we can agree or disagree on regarding the rules and judging so we can compare notes.
A judge’s concentration
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...cs=358&cs=9866
Judging professional boxing for the TV boxing fan
PART ONE: YOU BE THE BOXING JUDGE!
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...cs=358&cs=9876
PART TWO:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12457
PART THREE:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12459
PART FOUR:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12461
PART FIVE:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12463
PART SIX:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12465
PART SEVEN:
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/m...s=358&cs=12467
These articles were taken from:
"MAVEN's" CORNER
http://www.secondsout.com/Ringside/maven.cfm
Not a good idea.
Judges would be influenced by the crowds reaction and under too much pressure.
And some fights would be better after the 8th round, but there'll be a hell of a lot more made worse. No need to take chances when you've got the fight in the bag.
I think it is a good idea.
Judges may already be influenced by the crowd, so this should not make much difference. If they are frightened of getting abuse, they should not be judges!
I don't consider it abuse if a trainer adjusts his strategy mid fight because of the scoring, they do that anyway depending on what their best guesstimate of the scoring is?
If judges are already influenced by crowds, exposing their scores during the fight will make it a million times worse....For one, a hostile crowd reaction, towards the judges, could affect their concentration for the rest of the fight, let alone it sways them to score/see the fight different...How about if one judge is seeing/scoring the fight totally different to the other two? Would knowledge of their scores influence his/hers for the rest of the fight?Quote:
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I guess a positve would be trainers pulling more fighters out that haven't got a chance of turning it around.
I don't want boxing to be like every other sport. It's boxing and that's why I love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
I don't like the idea one bit and I really hope it is not sanctioned by the State Athletic Commisions.
Why announce the scorecards during the fight? The judges' scores should be passed on to an independent adjudicator at the end of each round, but to announce it to the crowd and to the fighters will completely change the shape of the fight.
A fighter who is well ahead at the end of the eighth round will just back-off and cover up - much like in football (soccer) where a team will take the ball into the corner or pass it about at the back.
I want to see action until the final bell! I want to see two fighters who have no idea which way the decision is going to go.
And I want the excitement of the announcement. That's all part of watching a title fight - waiting as the announcer says ..."and the NEW!!!" or "...and STILL!!!"
There must be a better way to sort out the problem of judging.
Still, at least it's not going to affect the Mayweather v Baldomir fight (which I have a crazy feeling Baldmoir could steal)
They could go a step further and make it a bit more like the X Factor. They should work out what the average score is, and then execute the judge who is furthest away from that average. Or, the crowd could 'vote them off' to spend the night in a cell with Ike Ikeabuchi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
That way, we won't get such ridicilously off-kilter judging that reflect the fact one of the idiots was not even watching.
no1s really looked at it like this tho, what happens come the 8th round a corner know that the fight is thiers, and just coast the last 4 rounds..
Boos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
If the crowd on Who Wants to be a Millionaire can vote instantaneously on 'ask the audience', why not use that technology somehow (i know that hometown fans would vote for their fighter, so is there a way to factor this out?)
TV addict?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fenster
THANK YOOOOUUUQuote:
Originally Posted by X
if you hadn't said it I would have.
EDIT: I thought of something else to add. we should not be forced to put up with judges who can't do their jobs. there are soccer refs in europe who have to deal with crowds who literally want to kill them after matches, and they suck it up and do their jobs. why can't boxing judges?
I personally don't think it matters if the scoring is open. if the judges are incompetent to the point where they "aren't even capable of operating a motor vehicle" like somebody else posted, then they are going to judge the fight incorrectly REGARDLESS of what we see or whether or not we know what the score is.
my 2 cents.
It could end a few questionable desicion controversies. They should test it for awhile and see how it goes.
It should be scored after 6 rounds.
That would be simpler.
Also, the judges (bar conspiracy and corruption) need not be at ring side, nor need they make a decision based on 1st viewing.
Why cant judges review the action with multi angles, in ring mics and a slow-mo button? ;D
No but seriously. Why the fuck not? >:mad ::**
Because if they reviewed the fight they'd actually score the fight right and that would be a huge step backwards for boxing :PQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bogeyman
I think it sucks. THe only way it could work imo is if the scores were called after each and every round.. As far as trainers strategy and all that, that's something you work on for weeks leading up to the fight.. If you have a fight where the scores are highly contraversial when they are called after 4 rounds, what then.. Pull a completely new game plan out even though the fighter is doing the right thing to capatalize on his strengths?? I don't think it would have a huge impact on what the judges scores are either way.. Think about it, if a fighter is clearly winning after 4 rounds, yet when the scores are read he is behind... The crowd will start to boo madly.. This begs the question in the fighters corner, a) do we change the gamplan becaus the judges clearly favour the opponents tactics, or b) hope that the crowds reaction will knock some sense into them and they'll score the rounds differently from now on. How is a fighter to know which will happen?? Even if the boxer does change his gameplan(which would no doubt happen frequently with bad judges and this system), doing so unneccesarily and not playing to his strengths and the others weaknesses just increases the chance of someone getting hurt. In close matches, if the slick boxer is falling behind in the judges eyes, should he start brawling it out, or vice versa?? It's a very flawed and stupid idea imo. Boxing is an endurance sport, it's about the whole picture, who wins at the end of 12 rounds, who eventually got to the other. All this would do is create reckless abandon even if it's totally unneccesary, anytime you had bad judging. Which is so, so often.
Why not just have a half time scoring update. Like as the 7th round starts, reveal the current scores the judges have and then you know at the half way mark who is winning on the cards. Then that still keeps it a bit of a mystery in the 12th and takes away no excitement.