So another oppourtunity for me to post on the MMA Board :D
Who'ddaya thinks gonna win?
How will this fight go?
Will it have the same result as the first?
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So another oppourtunity for me to post on the MMA Board :D
Who'ddaya thinks gonna win?
How will this fight go?
Will it have the same result as the first?
I like Ortiz.
Ortiz if he can get chuck on his back. He is just as defenseless as Tito is on his back. Rampage Jackson showed that.
This fight will go exactly the same way the first one went.
Tito has a good wrestling game, but if Randy Couture can't keep Chuck down, why the hell could Tito? Chuck is just too strong, and one of those fists will catch Tito on his way in and end the fight with a bang.
I don't see any real reason to favor Tito.
Think it will be the same, go chuck.
because he didnt even look like he was trying the first time. For F's sake he looked like they were playing a game of schoolyard tag what the f*** was Tito doing twitling his fingers like he was gonna tag chuck ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
If Tito couldnt finish Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfort or FORREST GRIFFIN, what the blue hell would make you think he's going to beat Chuck? Chuck hasn't been to a decision in four and half years...I for some reason doubt that Tito will be the one to bring him to that point (and I REALLY don't see Tito ever (T)KOing Chuck).
Liddel is getting up there in age. Tito looked good his last outing. I personally don't follow UFC that much. so I am not up to date on the in's and out's of the sport. I think Tito has the tool to get it done on my limited observation of the two combatants . this sport is kinda strange, reminds me of the old Samurai’s battling it out ,, its who gets the drop on the other first that seems to win.. one mistake is hard to recover from .
Titos last two outings were against Ken Shamrock. Ken Shamrock is a washed up old fart. Those matches went exactly as they should have, regardless of who Ken was facing.
And Chuck may be getting up there in age, but he isn't showing ANY signs of it. He still hits like a freight train, and presumably still has a great chin.
Who has Chuck been fighting? And Babaloo is about as dangerous as Shamrock(and Chuck had beat him before too)
Since their last fight, Chuck has beaten Randy Couture twice, Vernon White, Jeremy Horn and Babalu. All by pretty dominating (T)KOs (unless you'd consider Horn a submission...dunno the actual ruling on that one).
In addition to the two Shamrock fights, Tito has beaten Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfort, and Forrest Griffin. All by decision.
Now looking at those two lineups, I'd have to say Chuck has some significantly harder fights, all of which he won by (T)KO. Tito definately beat Cote, but couldn't put him away. I really thought Vitor won their fight. Same with Griffin. Vitor is washed up. Griffin just really isn't that talented...got a lot of heart, but not very talented.
Take what you want from all that, but I see Tito struggling against inferior opponents while Chuck is still plowing through what little the UFC can throw at him.
Tito will have hell trying to get chuck down and even a harder time keeping him there if he does....Chuck will finish him off in the second round hands down. If Tito had such a hard time with Forrest he will get KO'd again....Now Rashad Evans has looked good in his last fights...I'd be interested in seeing how he develops. If Rashad doesn't get more well rounded then White will have to go out and bring in someone else from another orginization to challenge Chuck.
Yeah Liddell has beaten as good or better competition and more convincingly. Let me tell ya, Vernon White is a bad boy. He rocked Chuck too, but then BOOM! He was out. The thing about Liddell is that he has great take down defense, when guys shoot in for a single or double leg takedown, he simply bridges out and shoves them off of him, then nails them. The big obstacle for Ortiz, who is a fag might I add, and is dating one of the biggest sluts around, even if she is hot, Jenna Jameson, is that Ortiz is scared of Chuck. Flat out he fears Liddell, he is very intimiated and shows it every time he is around Chuck or Chuck's name is brought up. If Tito can overcome that fear, and get Chuck on the ground, he may be able to beat him. But I doubt it. I gotta favor Chuck by another KO win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
yeah, you can't be pummeled into the fetal position and not be a little scared of a guy. lol.
Chuck has no defense when he's on his back.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Maybe, but the thing about weaknesses are... you cant just know what they are, you must be able to use them to your advantage. Knowing them is much easier then taking advantage of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
The last time we saw Chuck on his back was about two years ago in Liddel v Couture I...it hasnt happened since then, and all he's really faced are submission wrestlers. I HIGHLY doubt that Tito will be the one to bring him back to the matt after showing how much his game improved against Griffin :P
And on a related note, before Saturday night, Sylvia had no defense on his back either. We all saw how well that worked for Monson.
;) Chuck Liddel
submission wrestlers that stood and traded in the standup with him. None of which as strong as Tito ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
Could go either way, but I will go with Ortiz.
Ironically, two of the three people that beat him were submission wrestlers that beat him using their standup.Quote:
submission wrestlers that stood and traded in the standup with him. None of which as strong as Tito
Liddel will ko him again
If you mean Liddel, Horn submitted him, and Randy stopped him on his back and so did Rampage Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
And if you mean Ortiz, then Mezger submitted him, Shamrock outsmarted him and stoppped him on the ground with hammer fists to the back of his head, and Randy just outfought him and Liddel stopped him.
I say Ortiz is still scared of Liddell, and ya can't win a fight when you are scared of your opponent. Liddel by KO again.
I doubt Tito is scared of LiddelQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I meant Liddel.
And Horn just plain old beat him on the ground.
But Randy beat him standing up with superior boxing, and just finished it on the ground. He won the fight by standing with him, though. Rampage beat Chuck with better boxing skills and by outbrawling him, and once again finishing it on the ground. Chuck was beaten in both fights before it finished on the ground. That would be like saying GSP beat Hughes with his superior ground game, when the quick beating Hughes got on his back was just icing on the cake of outstriking Hughes.
Chuck Liddell has the mental edge because he has knocked out Ortiz before but considering Titos mentality, he's not gonna be hesitant or be intimidated by Liddell. Hes the one who plays mindgames. We never know, especially in the UFC just like in boxing. Anything can happen. I think Tito will win this time via submission. Im expecting a trilogy.
Ya I agree. The KO is probably in the back of his mind, but I doubt he would fight anyone he is scared of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
How much UFC and MMA do you guys watch? Tito has clearly shown he is scared of Liddel since before the first fight. All that crap about being such good friends they shouldn't fight, and he's not gonna fight Liddel. Then he fought scared and got KO'd come fight night. Then bout a year later, after he barely beat a guy, he should have stopped, when asked who he wants to fight next he goes "I dunno, maybe I'll make Shamrock my bitch again, or take the winner of Coutre vs Liddel II and kick their ass". Right after that both Ken and Chuck came into the octagon and Liddel got up in Ortiz's face, was given a mic, and said "You don't want any part of me, I'll knock you the fuk out again". And Ortiz was visibly scared, and just kinda smiled and tried to ignore Chuck. He's scared all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by lb4lb
No he didn't. Tito said "I'll be right here" And Liddel said "You'll never get into the ring with me again" And Tito said "Yeah and you'll get your time and I will prove that you are the last of the Mohegans"Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He was also at the weigh in for one of Liddel's fights flashing a contract he already signed for the winner of that fight.
Aside from that him and Ortiz are still best friends so why would Tito be afraid of Liddel?
Its silly to argue about it with ya man, so I'm done arguin. Best friends? Come on, gimme a break. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Actually Hulk, its known around the MMA know that Chuck and Tito are best friends. Dana tried to hype that the friendship was over for the first fight but they were still best friends and still are best friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
They shared a home and trained with each other when they were both trying to get big. So I doubt that just because Dana is trying to make it seem like their enemies to hype thi fight that they ended any friendship. Chuck and Tito were best friends for a loooong time, I seriously doubt its over.
Why do you think Chuck was about to jump out of his seat during the second round of the Belfort Tito fight? Because Belfort was pummeling Tito on his back and thats Chucks best friend.
Their friendship isn't over, this is just fight hype.
Chuck didn't think they were such good friends when he wanted to fight the first time. It was Tito who was using their friendship as an excuse not to fight Chuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
If you ask me, the fact that they both lived together for a while makes it even more likely that they are NOT best friends. My best friend moved into my apartment with me for a year later. Haven't talked to him since the lease ended and we went our seperate ways :P Living with someone, ESPECIALLY a good friend, puts a huge strain on the relationship.
shet its hard to tell and to pick
i love tito and i like chuck
yah i know, love > like
but chuck owned tito the 1st time
ahh fucck im on the fence! ill just watch it
How the first Ortiz v Liddel fight would have eventually played out was short circuted when Tito caught a thumb in the eye and was basically blinded and obviously rattled. Getting thumbed can be even more disrupting than an errant knee to the frank n beans.
I think it was only a matter of time before Liddel caught Tito back then anyway but it's a new day. Tito has looked very focused and I think he knows that this is his final climb for the mountian top if he loses. As for the Griffin fight - Tito had a partially torn tendon in the knee so it had quite a bit to do with his ability to finnish that fight.
Bottom line - Liddell KO 4
And Dana will need to go outside the organization if he hopes to find anyone that can really give Chuck a run for his title. Unless rick Franklin gets back on track and moves up to 205 - he and Anderson Silva are the only guys I can see that might be able to strike with Chuck.
Well, he just got rampage (205er, and has already beaten Chuck once back in Pride) and Heath Herring (HW, who could probably make the drop to LHW) who are both pretty capable of beating Chuck, imo. But I really think it will be a striker or retirement that dethrones Chuck, not one of the submission wrestlers he's being spoonfed match after match.
And on a side note, nobody ever fights at 100%. NEVER. People take fights knowing they're injured, so I dont give a crap what excuses they come up with. They either perform or they dont. Lately, Tito hasn't been.