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im asking in your opinion who was the champ who fought the best contenders,never ducked anyone,
and accomplished all he possibly could in his career?
even though i dont like him i have to think of ray leonard. he fought the best of the best in multiple weight divisions. he took the biggest risks and the biggest fights he could throughout his career.
hmmmmmmm its a tie for me either ALI or JOHN RUIZ
Tuff call.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjm2681
Agreed. SRL or Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjm2681
It's a toss up between those three...if you back up & get into the Golden Age fighters like Ketchel & Louis & Sullivan...it get's harder to pick.
Also...welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
Your out of your fuckin mind. Leonard avoided Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. He refused to fight Hagler until he felt Hagler was slipping. After a gift win, he refused to give him a rematch. He also didn't rematch Hearns until he felt that Hearns was shot. Ricardo Lopez is the best champion ever. No matter what weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjm2681
ill have 2 go with Jonathan Ruiz
i concur. Mr. Ruiz is the best champ ever. His sportsmanlike style and how he kept fans on the edge of their seats will be remembered for eternity. Why is this even a question?? Rhetorical??
Ricardo Lopez
SRR
Duran
RJJ
Have to be Joe Louis.
Better than Rocky Marciano??
Yes, among other HW's.
Oh pleez how can you compare any of these foos with the Ceasar of boxing Julio not only never ducked anybody he holds records that I doubt will me broken. Heck who do you think was for years the pound for pound best? how bout the record of 93-0 quite a feat for any fighter to beat 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
to be honest there is no best champion everyone has the own favourites ali robinson ect were great champions but i dont really like choosing 1 best champ because there all great in there own way
Its gotta be the two Sugar's for me.
Joe Louis - undisputed world heavyweight champion, ferocious and feared fighter, thrilling style, never ever even thought about ducking anyone (he cleaned out the division), a social role model, reasonably scandal-free, 25 successful title defences.
The best champ ever - possibly in any sport?
i agree with you mate. its a tie between ali, leonard and robinsonQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Floyd Mayweather.
Fought everyone at every weight - avoiding nobody
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Depends on what you define greatness of being a champion as. If you're talking title reign than its joe louis hands down. Marciano won the title late in his career and didn't really have a chance to defend it that many times. I like watching marciano, ali, and tyson fights so it's tough to say. Every division has atleast 3 or 4 guys you could argue as being the best but trying to pick one guy over the duration of the entire sport is just crazy.
Pernell Whitaker was the best I had ever seen.
Hard to say because a lot of times its more than just ducking someone. there is money, promoters, other contractual agreements and all kinds of other circumstances and shit involved in making fights. Any great champ is probably not gonna be one to duck anybody but does that mean he will get the opportunity to sign the contracts to fight with them? Not always. Can't pick just one but some great champs who did no ducking were...
Muhammad Ali
Oscar DeLaHoya
Joe Louis
Ray Robinson
Evander Holyfield
James Toney
Julio Cesar Chavez
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Marco Antonio Barrera
Great list cc, id have to say Ray Robinson for me is number 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Thanks. Yeah Robinson was just incredible. Some of the things he could do in the ring just arent seen anymore. What was he like 119-3 in the first part of his career, before he was 35? Guy was a super-fighter. They dont make em like that anymore. And yeah. That fool never ducked ANYONE.
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I am nowhere near old enough to remember him fight (of course) but the proof is in writing, he was an animal that went through everybody until he fought a bigger Lamata, they had a biography on Ray and all his friends said that he would make up his own names for people instead of calling them by their real name, and he was not joking around he was serious.
You can see all kinds of clips of him on www.youtube.com. His first loss was to Lamotta but Robinson avenged the loss by four-fold; beating The Raging Bull four out of the five times they fought, including the bloody and infamous "St. Valentine's Day Massacre" in which he pummeled Lamotta mercilessly to a brutal 14-round (i'm pretty sure, maybe 13) stoppage. His timing and sense of distance were so good that he could knock opponents out going backward. Another amazing thing about Sugar Ray was the incredible consistency and frequency of which he boxed. Robinson once fought around thirty times in a year one year; the average fighter now fights maybe twice. He's gotta be the best champ ever. Him or Ali.
ya know im a little surprised noone mentioned oscar delahoya because i cant think of anyone he ever ducked from lightweight to jr middle and he only lost to a prime mosely,trinidad (who i thought he beat) and then when he went to high in weight and messed with b-hop.but the fact that he even fought those guys adds greatness to this guy. and im not a fan but i do admire him.
well that's tru tgey all are greatQuote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
you da man!!!!!! I need to check out the Ricardo Lopez though.....what about the Great one that got killed in a car crash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
delroy bryan, why? becaus i know him...sound as geezer...
otherwise it would be the usual supsects, although i never saw a great deal of them due to my lifetime.
surely Ali and SRL did the most for the sport? i dno...my personal favourites out of respect of opinions would be Loius and SRR, although as i said my opinions can only be reserved to small clips.