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I think Shannon's best chance is against Maskev...but he had best stay away from Peter, Toney or Klit. Peter would out stamina him in 3 rounds. Klit would out box him and Toney would out smart him. Valuev is a "maybe." One big payday fight and then go to Hollywood in the next chapter of an interesting life. He has the brains to capitalize on his persona...just do it.
Like his chances against Oleg...only because Oleg is getting older by the minute!! Valuev is another possibility.....Wlad take him out earily....tired of seeing Toney in the HW division.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
He shouldn't even think about stepping in the ring with klit lookin the way he did against sergei cause I'm pretty sure he'd get ktfo out within 5, I don't care how chinny or whatever we think wlad is, tony would outsmart him I guess, and sam would just keep throwing till one landed flush, and well briggs might land in return but peter's got a decent chin. Oleg well he's old so he might have a chance against him, I'm pretty sure valuev would beat him just by "outstaminizing" him
The future of Briggs is this headline "BRIGGS KNOCKED OUT IN FIRST TITLE DEFENSE!"
With Briggs's stamina issues he is not going to hang onto that belt for much longer. If he fights any of the other belt holders he loses. Did Serguie even train for this fight? Did either of them do road work?
I don't know but I am dissapointed by the fight, I was rooting for lykovich, but even if he won I'd still be dissapointed, because I was just expecting a lot more out of him. Oh well I hope that klit and brock have an exciting fight next weekend to make up for the snoozefest of yesterday.
Briggs better hope to God that Wlad and Sam Peter lose.
Shannon got up for this fight because there was a belt to be won....I doubt he'll be up for the next one against maybe Sultan Ibragimov or the Peter-Toney winner.
I don't even think he has a good shot vs Maskaev I think his best shot is Valuev because he's big but he can't punch or take a punch.....Maskaev is a brawler and just ask Rahman if he can fight.....speaking of which Hasim Rahman wouldn't be that bad of a fight for him
Rahman would be interesing indeed, and would beat Briggs up.
When you think aboout the golden ae of heavies...the 70's....with Shavers, Ali, Frazier, Sir Henry, Quarry, Cobb, Holmes, Lyle and so many others and then jutxtapose them with last night, it becomes bile-inducing. Don't these guys beliebe in road work anymore? Lord help us.
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Ted the Bull eh.
Your name rang bells ,your not this local bloke are you? http://www.tedbull.com.au/
I agree with you, except the part where you say Shannon got up for this fight. He did NOT get up for that fight last night. Had he been "up for it", and seriously trained with no shortcuts, good hard roadwork... He would have KOed Sergei in a couple of rounds.. That was honestly my pick for the fight as well, I thought that Briggs would have gotten into at least decent shape and thrown some hard leather early.. Instead neither guy had anything in the tank after a couple of rounds it was incredibly pathetic.. Sergei had some titties going on, Briggs looked like he just pumped growth hormones or creatine and sat in the gym but did nothing for his endurance/stamina. He said that he had done lots of heavy sparring for the fight too.. I wonder who the hell his sparring partners were, or if he really did any at all. The guy couldn't even keep his hands up and his mouth was wide open in round 2.. I think your dead on though that even Maskaev should KO this guy. It really wouldn't take much. I wouldn't expect him to last more than a couple rounds against Wlad or even Peter, Toney would school him silly, Valuev would probably just outwork him in another terrible fight. I have no interest in seeing Briggs vs anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Maurice Harris(someone who beat Sergei) was his sparring partner.
Shannon will probably get a conditioning coach right now. He's champ.. he cant take any risks right now.
Seeing as i already have tickets, i would like to see him at Superfighter here in Melbourne. He is suited to that format. ;D
i think shannon briggs should drop boxing and become a bodybuilder.
Rahman should be banned from any future title shots...he's proven he's a never was....lucky punch fighter....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
Andre, no, I reside in New Hampshire in the States. ;D
The future of Briggs?
A few jabs from Wlad and then a cross... unless Briggs 'does a Rahman'... ;)
He should give Rahman Noodles a shot just so we can keep one of the belts belongin to an American at least for a little while! And by the way how come its pronounced "ROCK-MON" is he like Middle Eastern? If not this route it would be cool to see Briggs fight the big ogre Valuev. I missed the Liakovich fight...was it good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
:rofmaoal:Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
It was better then any John Ruiz fight I've ever seen ;D Except the Tua one ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bleech1
The sad thing is..
There was virtually no holding..but the same amount of action :(
hahaha maybe liakovich should fight ruiz to see who the boringest fighter in boxing is...and the winner can fight briggs! no but in regards to rahman, i do give him some respect in that rahman had NO AMATEUR background. he went straight to pro and KOed a pretty damn good heavyweight champ in lennox lewis. ok yeah it was a lucky one punch KO and lewis wasnt really lewis but still, for a guy with no amateur experience, thats a pretty damned good accomplishment winning the heavyweight belt...from anybody. As for Briggs, his future is bleak. I agree with VD when he said he will lose his first defense. I have never thought much of him and I did NOT have him ahead in the fight where he supposedly "retired" George Foreman. At the end of that fight Briggs was on the ropes bleeding and Foreman was swinging away on him. I had Foreman winning that one because Briggs is dookie compared to some of the champs we've had. Now he is just bulked up, old dookie.
I thought Rahman was good. The first Tua fight the Maskaev fight, never taking advantage of the Lewis win(personally he should have vacated the title when Lennox won the court case and went with the "The people know who the champion is.. I wouldn't give Lewis a shot becauseh e had to go to court and not the ring to get it") The draw with Tua that he won, the draw with Toney that I thought he won, but the second Maskaev fight was his chance. It was a very exciting Heavyweight fight but Rahman threw strategy(and his jab) out the window and payed a heavy price for it. It's sad because Rahman had those opportunities so much and he had talent especially with no amateur backgroung.. but never could fully take advantage of it. Sadly is the sport of boxing you need more then pure talent to get by.
The Horror!!! Ruiz and Lykavitch. Fighting for all the belts. That would be a nightmare. Nobody would stick around long enought to find out who won.
Briggs has a contract to fight Sultan Ibrogimov. I think he will try to avoid this fight, but he will have to retire the belt or fight another belt holder to remain a champion.
i dont know much about this Sultan Ibragimov guy at all...is he pretty tough? and yeah if Ruiz fought Liakovitch no one would stick around to watch it. It would be the boringest of the boring. But who knows maybe their boring styles would conflict so much it might make for an actual cool match up? Either way, that fight should be on Friday Night Fights if anything...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera
Sultan Ibragimov is unimpressive and Briggs would probably ko him. Neither one apparently does any road work andit would ne a snooooozefest. O the other hand, I see Ray Austin giving Briggs all that he could hadle. Styles make fights.
Ray Austin and Larry Donald are very consistant fighters they would be tough for anyone.
Sultan needs to stick with smaller heavyweights...him vs James Toney would be good
I think Oliver McCall might have a good shot again
As insane as it might sound id like to see Briggs vs Ruiz. (as long as Ruiz ends up on the cavass)
Oh yeah....Briggs would hand Johnny a beat down....he SHOULD be able to beat him but I don't know, Ruiz is crafty.
Sad as it is I bet you MONEY that Evander Holyfield is in line for a title shot if he beats Oquendo....VALUEV needs another name on his record.....and another sad thing is Evander at 75 years old MAY be able to beat him
I don't know about you guys...
... but that was the best counterpunching I've ever seen a heavyweight do!!! :o
Briggs should cut his weight lifting in half and concentrate on cardiovascular workouts.
Briggs was hella fast too. Funny how I never exected that from Briggs, in THIS fight right now.
yeah Briggs did good counter punching and body work that went unnoticed by the expected action. Shannon has the goods but he could have used them sooner that I think is frustrating the fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Sooner in his career or sooner in the fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Because he COULD NOT do it sooner in the fight. He saved it for the last. Shannon had too much muscle and was gassed early, so was content with single counterpunches. The only time Shannon did what he had to do, was when Liakhovich was hurt, tired, and demoralized. After Briggs went for the kill with multiple punches, he collapsed on his stool and stayed down even longer than Sergei. Briggs was dead tired, even during the fight you can see him huffing and puffing even at his this EXTRA "slow-paced" fight.
Despite his skill and craft, I don't see him keeping the title long, any fighter that will make him work will tire Briggs out.
But on that night, Briggs was in the zone, in counterpunching and tamed Liakhovich.
Very true....Gyrokai, Briggs was gasping for air and aparently didn't do much work during the fight and wasn't forced to move a lot or anything special like that.
The thing about Shannon is he's a talented exciting heavyweight, problem is he's older and he's gased easily.
I want him to get a unification fight right away....hopefully it'll get the ball rolling on creating a true CHAMPION of the division
Yes. Briggs vs Oleg first. Winner vs Nick. Winner vs Wlad. Going to happen? NO GOD DAMN WAY.......... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Gyrokai, have you ever seen Bowe counterpunch ? ???
Name a fight where Bowe displays his counterpunching skills at it's peakQuote:
Originally Posted by Ted The Bull
and against a legitimate contender? I'm challenging you, but in an honest way.
Riddick Bowe by all means is a better boxer than Shannon Briggs. Even better
if you can possibly name a fight on youtube.com. But it's ok if you don't.
They way I see it, Riddick didn't depend on counterpunching. He was a leader not
a follower, he didn't wait for mistakes, he took charge, unlike a counterpuncher.
He's of the mold of the fighters from the 70's boxers. Had a masterful jab, classic right,
and wasn't afraid to exchange. Sure he could counterpunch, but he wanted to fight while
controling the action.
Also, I know I must be overreacting, because how the hell could Shannon Briggs be the best
counterpuncher in heavyweight history! hahaha There must be someone! James Toney is a
more skilled counterpuncher, but he doesn't have Briggs power in this heavyweight division.
Each single counter just shut Liakhovich down!!! And Sergei had the mettle to trade with Brewster!
And where has Briggs been! :D This guy Briggs shows up like that, he could have done
this a long time ago when he was younger; won the title that is.
But who cares, he has the title now and he's happy.
But I know what I saw, and I don't care if the fight was boring. Briggs had a game plan and
stuck to it with detication like no other. 98% of the fight he counterpunched and 99% landed hahaha!
He had a sick jab that was as fast as a middleweight, but he never used it often.... too tired.
Thats why I say he should keep weightlifting, because that makes him explosive, but cut it in half and
add more cardiovascular workouts to his training, so that he can jab more and add multiple punches
to his game. Maybe even just concentrate on cardiovascular workouts only!
Yeah, like most or all, I've given up on the Heavyweight Division. But maybe this does add hope. cc to all on page 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Shannon is a solid puncher but not much else. He didn't pull the trigger the other night when he should have. I know it is easier said than done, but when he landed he hurt the Serg. L. I would like to see Briggs fight Peter.