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Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Very nicely said Lyle.
CC 4 that.
I agree ;)
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
:coolclick: spot on! TBH i actaully do think Floyd could of beaten Pryor, but i tink SRL would of taken him. SRL would of beaten Pryor aswell no matter what people say about him ducking Pryor.
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
CC and absolute perfection :appl:
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Antonio Cervantes is not even close to be considered an alltime great. I'd be hardpressed to even say he was very good.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
If Floyd beat any 5 of those I would respect him a bit.
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Well said CC
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
Its no secret Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston.
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
Its no secret Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston.
Before or after he faced the guy that beat him twice for the title... ::** And what the hell did Stevie Johnston ever do anyways.. Beat Angel Manfredy in a hard fought decision after Floyd TKOed him in 2 rounds just previously?
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I understand about Floyd at his weight classes but to be the best SOMETIMES you have to move up or down in weight to make the big fights.
The point is the oppertunity was there
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I understand about Floyd at his weight classes but to be the best SOMETIMES you have to move up or down in weight to make the big fights.
The point is the oppertunity was there
And my point is, it wasn't there. Not realistically. No more than saying the oppourtunity is there for Manny Pacquiao to move up and fight Ricky Hatton, Castillo, etc.. It just woudln't fly at the time.. All those people you listed, Mosley, DLH, Forrest, Mayorga, Wright, were at the least full blown welterweights while Floyd was just moving up to 135.. At what point would those matchups have made sense other than if they were to happen now?? There are only a couple guys you named who Floyd realistically could have fought before this year, and they were no better than those he did face.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
The names with a line through them are just stupid.  At no times were those fights ever considered.  Or even possible.  The underline names are fighters who don't want to fight Mayweather.  That leaves 4 names.  Margarito is clearly undeserving.  Casamayor I have no doubt would fight him.  But this was a fight that I would of love to see at 130.  Right now Mayweather beats Casamayor pretty easily.  And it's a fight Mayweather would get cruified if he took it.  Wright?  I don't think even Wright knows what he wants.  And he has unsettled bizness with Taylor that need to be addressed.  De La Hoya?  Well we'll see what Oscar decides next year.  Cuz Mayweather has made his wishes clear.
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
A Leija fight back int he day would have been ok
Barrios is a tough SOB I'm sure he'd have moved up to 140 to fight PBF
Mosely and Floyd should have been fought a looooong time ago
De la Hoya would give Floyd a hard fight and I think he would beat PBF
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
How about you put up Hatton, Cotto and Margarito's numbers up there with the "greats" they have fought too ???
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Since PBF is so popular nad great!!!
How many PPV he had? as the main card!!!
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Since PBF is so popular nad great!!!
How many PPV he had? as the main card!!!
His last 3 fights.
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
Its no secret Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston.
Before or after he faced the guy that beat him twice for the title... ::** And what the hell did Stevie Johnston ever do anyways.. Beat Angel Manfredy in a hard fought decision after Floyd TKOed him in 2 rounds just previously?
It was before and after Castillo upset Johnston that Floyd didn't want the fight.
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It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
remember he was at 130 or 135 until a couple years ago though... So to say he already should have fought DLH, Mosley, Wright, Forrest, Mayorga, etc.. Is kind of silly... Also Pernell Whittaker was long gone by 1997, and still at 147 then, another one that doesn't make any sense... As far as Leija, Barrios, Freitas, Casamayor... Are they really any better than the guys he did beat at 130 or 135?? Castillo and Corrales are pretty much a cut above all of those guys. So basically there are one or two fighters there that you could make an arguement Floyd should have fought... Tszyu and Hatton.. But they fought each other just as Floyd made his debut at 140... Which resulted in Kt retiring.. THen Hatton moved up to welter, asked for 13 million against Floyd, scraped by collazo and moved down to 140. Any fight on there which would have been meaningful for Floyd and would improve his legacy, either couldn't have happened or still could, namely Mosley or DLH. And Im sure he'd like to fight either of them..
Its no secret Floyd ducked Stevie Johnston.
Before or after he faced the guy that beat him twice for the title... ::** And what the hell did Stevie Johnston ever do anyways.. Beat Angel Manfredy in a hard fought decision after Floyd TKOed him in 2 rounds just previously?
It was before and after Castillo
upset Johnston that Floyd didn't want the fight.
You know this for a fact I imagine.... I suppose he just saw Castillo as an easier opponent ??? And so what he upset him, he still beat his ass twice.. the first time brutally, second was close but JLC still obviously won the draw was BS.
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Since PBF is so popular nad great!!!
How many PPV he had? as the main card!!!
His last 3 fights.
My point extacly only 3 PVV events comomn we are talking about a GREAT? ::** best ever only 3 PPV events?
sorry dude you are good but you just have to do more to be called the great and yes's proven the best right now but sadly he has to beat more Name to be called the GREAT
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I agree with Lyle on some of the names, like my boy Mayorga. Now I'll admit there is a good chance that el matador at 147, could have been outboxed, potshotted, and made to look for foolish by Floyd. BUT at his best, around the time he KO'd Lewis and Forrest, a hungry Mayorga would have been a tuff test for Floyd. Certainly tougher than Baldomir considering his explosive power at 147 and near iron chin. Also I believe Forrest around that time would have been even tougher for Floyd, and probably would have beaten him, Mosley too.
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Since PBF is so popular nad great!!!
How many PPV he had? as the main card!!!
His last 3 fights.
My point extacly only 3 PVV events comomn we are talking about a GREAT? ::** best ever only 3 PPV events?
sorry dude you are good but you just have to do more to be called the great and yes's proven the best right now but sadly he has to beat more Name to be called the GREAT
Yeah well Sugar Ray Robinson is called the greatest ever and he didn't even have one PPV.. So obviously Floyd is better than him??
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I would consider Castillo and Corrales as greats... they would both have done well against the elite lightweights in any time period... especially Castillo
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
no way is Castillo or Corrales great. Do not insult boxing saying something like that. The fight they had was great,but it does not make them great. They are good fighters, that is all.
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These closing years, Floyd has always taken the easy route and used HBO like a whore.
As a matter of fact, I'm glad he caught HBO by surprise with his ranting
and raving at Larry Merchant and his sudden retire comments...
Because he baited HBO into claiming he was the best HBO felt they needed
a "Micheal Jordan" of boxing to "help boxing out these days" ... and they were
sucking his ballz and he repays them by retiring right now. heheh Hilarious.
Money is all that he loved about fighting. I'm glad he's going to go soon.
Near the end, he never represented boxing well anyways.
He always represented himself.
Quote that sums it all up: "I'm gonna tax that ass too!"
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How about you put up Hatton, Cotto and Margarito's numbers up there with the "greats" they have fought too ???
No one is saying they are great Starr.....they don't go around saying "I'm going to go down as the best ever, there are no other fighters like me".....so THEREFORE they aren't setting themselves up to be compared to the likes of Pryor and Leonard and so on
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after watching that fight i was shocked that he is considerd the number 1 pound for pound in the world, honestly. It was the first time is seen him fight a full fight, and; maybe it wasn't his best night, (yes he hurt his hand in round 6) but up untill then, he just looked like a Roy Jones Jr wanna be...
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yeah that's about the tall and short of it
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Hey Lyle who you pick if Leonard and Mayweather Jr faught at welter?
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.
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Re: Lyle's take on "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.
What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off :lolhaha:
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.
What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off :lolhaha:
Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?
In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.
What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off :lolhaha:
Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?
In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!
You do make a very good point my friend. Floyd needs to beat these guys so there is never any question marks in the future. Them 2 and ODLH would make him a true GREAT, providing he beats them obviously.
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Thank you, cc back
It's not that I don't think Floyd is talented I just don't think he has taken the oppertunities to show boxing fans just how good he is. Here's a short list of guys he had the chance to/didn't/hasn't fought
Oscar De la Hoya
Shane Mosley
Kostya Tszyu
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito
Joel Casamayor
Acelino Frietas
Jorge Barrios
Vernon Forrest
Ricardo Mayorga
Winky Wright
Jesse James Leija
Pernell Whittaker
Okay so the ones that are highlighted, are the ones who are either at the wrong weight division now, or were retired or are no better than the rest of his previously opposed foes.
I mean not all of these guys are world beaters but they are better than let's say......Victoriano Sosa and Henry Bruseles
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So Floyd wants to retire soon, that's cool with me I mean if he feels like he has accomplished everything he wants to that's fine HOWEVER will he be looked at as an ALL-TIME GREAT?
Let us discuss this and compare him to other fighters in similar weight classes.
"Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr. 37(24 KO)-0-0: Greats- I honestly have a hard time finding "GREATS" PBF fought but he has a lot of very good fighters on his record: Corrales, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Castillo, Baldomir
"Sugar" Ray Leonard 36 (25 KO)-3-1: Greats - Hearns, Duran, Hagler, Benitez. Good - Camacho, Norris, Mayweather Sr.,
Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor 39(35 KO)-1-0: Greats - Arguello, Cervantes. Good - Kim, Kameda, Johnson.
I honestly think unless Floyd fights Shane Mosely, Oscar De la Hoya, or Winky Wright he'll be on the fringe of being an all-time Great.
Maybe it's because he's just so good, or maybe he just hasn't been in with the best fighters....he should have fought Mosley already and the De la Hoya fight NEEDS to happen....Floyd can't beat those guys IMO, they are too tough to be KO'd and too good of boxers to let themselves be outboxed
Those are a lot of pretty good points there, Lyle. I would consider Terry Norris a "great" on Sugar Ray's record though. I think Floyd will fight Delahoya and at this point in time, he will beat him, outpointing him similarly to the first Mosley-Oscar fight. I gave Oscar the rematch against Sugar Shane, who in my opinion is the last one of the three you mentioned Floyd should fight. Either him or Wright, because i think he would be givin up too much size to Winky Wright. If Floyd retires undefeated world champ you have to take that in consideration too. I think he's hall of fame material. Is he as good as Leonard? Not in my opinion. But he definitely deserves his spot in the Boxing H.O.F.
Castillo prolly biggest name on mayweather list right? first fight took him right to the brink of lossing? how wud that look for mayweather if the likes of hatton, or cotto go blast him out of the ring in 8 or so rounds? to me mayweather needs to beat the hattons, the cottos, not because i think those 2 are particular greats, but the a grat fighters today, and Mr. P4P needs to eally beat them well, either stop, or a good 8-4/7-5 win; now ofc haton/cotto may not wanna fight mayweather, then aint his fault, but i think the hatton fight adleast shud be his next fight if he doesn't fight oscar or sugar shane, he shudnt go out without doing eveyrthing he can to get the hatotn fight done and dusted - he said it aint about the money, its all about the legacy.
What has Cotto done?? Please break down his resume for me and tell me how Floyds greatness runs thru Cotto cause right now I am Laughing my azz off :lolhaha:
Cottos done well, he may not have massive names on his resume, but hes still going strong, and doesn't look like retiring anytime soon, the point is of mayweathers legacy; hes only 29, not showing signs of age getting to him, u think herns, duran, lenard, hagler would talk about calling it a day in thier prime when there were alot of young bucks ocming through, some very good fights out there?
In years to come when people look back at this eara, and the fighters around, then there will be big questions on why mayweather didn't fight these guys and even bigger questions if they go on to do great things, and spark out people in better fashion than mayweather ever did. Great fighters are remeberd and will be remeberd for ending it without having any lose ends. Look at hopkins, he took the Taylor fight, he had his 20 defences, he cuda moved up after easterman, won and retired a 2 weight champion - but he took on the young buck, the next big thing at middle, sure he lost it. But he jsut about lost it, everyone knows hopkisn was way past his prime - and these are the things that people look back on and remeber about true greats, legends!
I'm with you on some of this...Lets break it down
Floyd-29
Margarito-28
Hatton-28
Cotto is- 26
They are all young right now so its not like its do or die anytime soon not LIKE THEY ALL HAVE TO FIGHT TOMORROW BEFORE THEY GET OLD...But dont forget the 3 guys have fights in the next month or so..Lets see how they fair before we play matchmaker cause we know stuff can change fast so Hatton, Margarito, Cotto have to worry about getting thru there next opponent before worrying about Floyd....Then we shall see ;)
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Hey Lyle who you pick if Leonard and Mayweather Jr faught at welter?
Sugar Ray because he could stand and trade our outbox Floyd.....Floyd can only try to outbox him.
I'd take Hearns over him, Duran at 130, JC Chavez at 140, and other greats over him too.
PBF is VERY good, but I don't think he's great yet. If he was to At least fight a De la Hoya, Mosley, or Wright I'd reconsider.
Wright can make 154 still so I don't think it's THAT big of a difference, Oscar and Shane moved up from where Floyd started!
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As for matches with Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito
Those guys are at the top of their game right now and IF Floyd was able to fight them and win in good fashion unlike he did vs Baldomir then that shows people how great he is.
My problem with Floyd is not that he's arrogant or he decides to BOX instead of brawl....by all means box but there is a way to do it and look like a superstar a la Roy Jones Jr and there is a way to do it and not impress people.....you can't have people booing you if you're a great and in your prime!!!!!!
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after watching that fight i was shocked that he is considerd the number 1 pound for pound in the world, honestly. It was the first time is seen him fight a full fight, and; maybe it wasn't his best night, (yes he hurt his hand in round 6) but up untill then, he just looked like a Roy Jones Jr wanna be...
Yep. I pretty much hate Emmanuel Stewart,but he practially came right out and said that Floyd ain't no Roy Jones and never will be. Sayin Floyd can fire 2 punch combos and such, but Roy could fire TEN punch combos. Jones was THE MAN. PBF is the flavor of the month, and apparently according to Floyd, the months almost over.
