ATTN: Floyd Haters The Proof is in the Pudding Folks The Numbers Dont Lie!!!!!!!

All the Critics complaining about Floyds Domination of Baldo and bitchin about it being a "Track Meet" and a "Hit and Run" well here are some compubox scores of some high profile fights...

CompuBox Stats

Gatti Ward 1

Gatti-350/779 39%

Ward-268/550 48%

Yea a see/saw battle that was fight of the year that showcased 2 guys standing in front of each other and winging leather...Ward won and just thru an unbelievabe amount of punches ::**

Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
Wright 273 / 662 138 / 389 135 / 273
41% 35% 49%
Mosley 154 / 642 46 / 281 108 / 361
24% 16% 30%

More than 1/2 of Winkys out put was Jabs....and he is defensive....But this fight was Winky's coming out party ::**

Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
delaHoya 221/616 106/296 115/320
36% 36% 36%
Mosley 127/496 33/268 94/228
26% 12% 41%

Mosely threw only a few more punches than Mayweather and was 1/2 as accurate as Floyd but this was a Hell of a showdown according to most ::**

Total Punches Jabs Power Punches
Hopkins 99 / 361 37 / 214 62 / 147
27% 17% 42%
Delahoya 82 / 315 37 / 164 45 / 151
26% 23% 30%

This fight from a punch output and accuracey standpoint is comparable to the Briggs fight this weekend....But it was Ok since it was Golden Boy and B-hop ::**


How about Mosely vs Forrest

Forrest 140/446

Mosely 114/259

Those guys set the world on fire too right????

http://www.compuboxonline.com/column/stats_archive.html

you can pick out anyfight and compare for yourself and validate the above info....

Punch stats

Total
Carlos 79 of 670 12%
Floyd 199 of 458 43%

Power
Carlos 67 of 562 12%
Floyd 131 of 258 51%

Gee thats not really bad stats when compared to the rest of the above high profile fights.....Like it or not it aint the Track meet most have claimed.....

mayweather owned baldo and people just cant take and say he was running. what is wrong with running? he won the fight didnt he

You soon learn who actually likes boxing and how just likes punching after a fight like this... ;)

i just think that when mayweather comes out with all this hype coming up to the fight about how he's the man and he's gonna own baldy and the usual bull shit he comes out with he better back it up or he'l just look as full of shit as i always say he is. yeah he schooled baldy and gave him a boxing lesson but he was hardly the 'MAN' he bigs himself up as being cos whenever it looked like it could turn into a scrap and test of bollocks he didn't want to know.

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i just think that when mayweather comes out with all this hype coming up to the fight about how he's the man and he's gonna own baldy and the usual bull S*** he comes out with he better back it up or he'l just look as full of S*** as i always say he is. yeah he schooled baldy and gave him a boxing lesson but he was hardly the 'MAN' he bigs himself up as being cos whenever it looked like it could turn into a scrap and test of bollocks he didn't want to know.

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So what all fighters boast about how they are gonna KO the opponent when asked for a prediction....Big Deal..Hardly the man he says huh??....WOW I guess lumping up his opponents face landing 50% of his shots and Hurting his hand in the process and not using it for 6 rounds....Coming out of the fight unscaved dosent count for much huh???

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i just think that when mayweather comes out with all this hype coming up to the fight about how he's the man and he's gonna own baldy and the usual bull S*** he comes out with he better back it up or he'l just look as full of S*** as i always say he is. yeah he schooled baldy and gave him a boxing lesson but he was hardly the 'MAN' he bigs himself up as being cos whenever it looked like it could turn into a scrap and test of bollocks he didn't want to know.

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WTF are you talking about? How is winning every round not owning baldomir? That was complete domination by a fighter who gave up 13 lbs fight night and completely picked apart his opponent. It's rare to see such a lopsided fight at that level..it just goes to show how much better floyd is than everyone. How is that not being the "MAN"?


Damn, Baldomir is known for his chin it's one of his best assets. He had 13 lbs on floyd..but let's just not look at all the facts and continue the blind hatred and negativity. ::**


Floyd is a skill fighter not some brawler you all want to see go watch the ufc if you want to see a bunch of unskilled chumps go at it or find a bar fight.


JT Rock man I'm glad you're fighting the good fight! Numbers don't lie but haters are too blind to see em!

Personally I enjoyed the fight, and was amazed at how fast Floyd was on his feet at 147 (granted Baldizor had a style that would allow him to showcase his foot speed)

I truly thought he wouldn't be that fast, but god was he...

which is bassically what i just said though isn't it mate. i'm not denying mayweather's skill and all the tallent and all the rest of the bull shit i've talked about a thousand times (i do regard him as the best boxer in the world at the moment). and i just ten minutes ago in the post you just tried to use against me stated that mayweather did 'school' baldomir and he did come out with the win the way that most thought he would (via massive UD). but the point i'm making is that mayweather likes to big himself up as the man but he didn't show much in terms of balls in doin exactly what i thought he would do and beating a man that no one ever even gave a chance to.

Wudn't say i hate him, but i don't like Flyod, and expected him to hit and run during that fight, 'coz it was the smart thing to do to win. If he went toe to toe then he wuda been a silly silly boy - he done the right thing, end of story.

there is no dening a toe-to-toe war, like the first barrera v morales is a fight we love to see; but really you can't take anything away from mayweather after that fight, if anything you gotta give him some credit for showing how a more skilled boxer can beat a natural at thier own weight, its an impressive thing to do. Still don't like the lil bitch out side of the ring tho:P

Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Bang on mate :appl: :coolclick:

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i just think that when mayweather comes out with all this hype coming up to the fight about how he's the man and he's gonna own baldy and the usual bull S*** he comes out with he better back it up or he'l just look as full of S*** as i always say he is. yeah he schooled baldy and gave him a boxing lesson but he was hardly the 'MAN' he bigs himself up as being cos whenever it looked like it could turn into a scrap and test of bollocks he didn't want to know.

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WTF are you talking about? How is winning every round not owning baldomir? That was complete domination by a fighter who gave up 13 lbs fight night and completely picked apart his opponent. It's rare to see such a lopsided fight at that level..it just goes to show how much better floyd is than everyone. How is that not being the "MAN"?


Damn, Baldomir is known for his chin it's one of his best assets. He had 13 lbs on floyd..but let's just not look at all the facts and continue the blind hatred and negativity. ::**


Floyd is a skill fighter not some brawler you all want to see go watch the ufc if you want to see a bunch of unskilled chumps go at it or find a bar fight.


JT Rock man I'm glad you're fighting the good fight! Numbers don't lie but haters are too blind to see em!

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I'm Trying....CC for the support

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which is bassically what i just said though isn't it mate. i'm not denying mayweather's skill and all the tallent and all the rest of the bull S*** i've talked about a thousand times (i do regard him as the best boxer in the world at the moment). and i just ten minutes ago in the post you just tried to use against me stated that mayweather did 'school' baldomir and he did come out with the win the way that most thought he would (via massive UD). but the point i'm making is that mayweather likes to big himself up as the man but he didn't show much in terms of balls in doin exactly what i thought he would do and beating a man that no one ever even gave a chance to.

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Balls??? Why didnt he have balls??? Because he didnt stand there and trade with a bigger guy??? Because he fought The WelterWeight Champ of the World and not just a title holder???.....I am not really sure what you are saying here...How can you fault a fighter for executing his plan 10000000% and not playing into his opponents strength by trading with him??? :dontknow:

How petty are some people ::**

Just because i dont agree with someone on PBF one gets Sad clicked :-* to the child ;D

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Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Hate on brother...Floyd aint going no were HA, HA, HA,!!!!! Like I said big deal peeps left I have left many a sport outing cause it was so onesided......Beside Baldo stunk out the place they were probably booing his ass....Again rebutt the name of the post

DLH
Mosely
Ward
Wright
All had similiar outputs in big fights with the exception of Ward all those guys have been high P4P at one time...So c'mon rake on them to but you wont cause your hating...C'mon admit it

jtrock we've all gathered that your in love with floyd cos you wont have a bad word said against him. but lets not get carried away and try to make out that that floyd has got balls. he went after the welterweight title holder that he thought would be the easiest to beat. yeah baldy was the recognised welter champ but thats only cos he beat judah, and he was in no way the best welter in the division and hardly the best out there like floyd seems to think he fights. and as if fighting the recognised champ of a division has ever been floyds game plan. if it was he wouldn't have considered himself the light welterweight champ when he never actually beat hatton (the recognised light welter champ at the time).

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How petty are some people ::**

Just because i dont agree with someone on PBF one gets Sad clicked :-* to the child ;D

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Trust me Bro I got the same crap the past couple of days for being a supporter of Floyd... I wont SC someone cause they have disagreed with me only if they insult me...Have a CC to balance out

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jtrock we've all gathered that your in love with floyd cos you wont have a bad word said against him. but lets not get carried away and try to make out that that floyd has got balls. he went after the welterweight title holder that he thought would be the easiest to beat. yeah baldy was the recognised welter champ but thats only cos he beat judah, and he was in no way the best welter in the division and hardly the best out there like floyd seems to think he fights. and as if fighting the recognised champ of a division has ever been floyds game plan. if it was he wouldn't have considered himself the light welterweight champ when he never actually beat hatton (the recognised light welter champ at the time).

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Easy with the insults Junior...I never say I didnt see fault in Floyd the Man and his outlandishness...Just most of you are picking at him for Fighting a PERFECT FIGHT.....I mean C'mon dude seriously..I wish he would shut his mouth half the time, I wish he would endear himself to the fans a little better...But ALi was a prik, Leonard was a Prik...Floyd is markrting himself in a Controversial way..SO What????

But I refuse to rake on him for beating the S*** out of someone in a perfect manner...I wont

Again Who should he fight to satisfy you.....If you say Hatton or Margarito I will laugh my azz off cause if you think Floyd isint legitiment than those boys are light years away from him...

Few experts thought Baldomir would beat PBF...

PBF is not one of the greats. He hasnt fought a great. He beat Castillo but arguably lost to him the other time. Otherwise who did he beat?

He has beaten a lot of fluff...

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Few experts thought Baldomir would beat PBF...

PBF is not one of the greats. He hasnt fought a great. He beat Castillo but arguably lost to him the other time. Otherwise who did he beat?

Get him in against a contender. Hatton, mosley or even Margarito....

PBF is full of nonsense...lets all have a group hug and a cry....nonsense....

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You are Kidding Right??? Hatton hasnt proved to be great....Margarito hasnt either...If Floyd beats Mosely who the general masses thinks he is shot(I dont believe it) but that would be everyones excuse...Not to mention Floyd has been trying to get Mosely in the ring for years.....C'mon Miles your a Favorite of mine but you cant be serious about those 3 names

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How petty are some people ::**

Just because i dont agree with someone on PBF one gets Sad clicked :-* to the child ;D

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Trust me Bro I got the same crap the past couple of days for being a supporter of Floyd... I wont SC someone cause they have disagreed with me only if they insult me...Have a CC to balance out

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LOL cheers dude. 8)

Anywho, here are some stats from Ricky's last fight against Collazo;

Hatton; 741 / 259 35%
Power shots 637 / 254 40%

Collazo; 712 / 213 30%
Power shots 471 / 167 35%

And to be fair that wasnt one of Ricky's better performances, but just look at the amount of shots he threw compared to Floyd.

Now i can dig out Ricky's other fights, and can tell ya now the stats will be better ;)

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How petty are some people ::**

Just because i dont agree with someone on PBF one gets Sad clicked :-* to the child ;D

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Trust me Bro I got the same crap the past couple of days for being a supporter of Floyd... I wont SC someone cause they have disagreed with me only if they insult me...Have a CC to balance out

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LOL cheers dude. 8)

Anywho, here are some stats from Ricky's last fight against Collazo;

Hatton; 741 / 259 35%
Power shots 637 / 254 40%

Collazo; 712 / 213 30%
Power shots 471 / 167 35%

And to be fair that wasnt one of Ricky's better performances, but just look at the amount of shots he threw compared to Floyd.

Now i can dig out Ricky's other fights, and can tell ya now the stats will be better ;)

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So? Baldomir is better than Collazo.. Im sure Floyd wouldn't have any trouble matching those punchstats if he were to fight Luis instead of Baldomir...

i dunno. collazo is a young fighter on the way up. plus he's a quick, slick southpaw with only one contraversial loss. whereas baldomir is seasoned (could mean he brings experiance, or could mean he's on the slide and been round the block), and pradictable and pretty slow compared to mayweather and colazo.

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

How petty are some people ::**

Just because i dont agree with someone on PBF one gets Sad clicked :-* to the child ;D

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Trust me Bro I got the same crap the past couple of days for being a supporter of Floyd... I wont SC someone cause they have disagreed with me only if they insult me...Have a CC to balance out

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LOL cheers dude. 8)

Anywho, here are some stats from Ricky's last fight against Collazo;

Hatton; 741 / 259 35%
Power shots 637 / 254 40%

Collazo; 712 / 213 30%
Power shots 471 / 167 35%

And to be fair that wasnt one of Ricky's better performances, but just look at the amount of shots he threw compared to Floyd.

Now i can dig out Ricky's other fights, and can tell ya now the stats will be better ;)

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Yes, and Hatton didn't deserve to win that fight. I don't see what your point is. No one criticized that fight for being boring, they criticized it because Hatton got a gift decision, promised a rematch, and then dropped down in weight to fight some paper title holder named Urango who no one's heard of.

Throwing a lot of shots might make for a more exciting fight if you're just looking for some violence, but it doesn't make someone a good boxer. I mean, lots of fighters are more offensively active than Floyd, but non of them (except Pacquiao) is anywhere on a top 5 P4P list (Winky, Taylor, Hopkins--all defensive-minded counterpunchers). If you want to talk about Hatton and make comparisons, I can see why some people might prefer to watch his fights (I personally don't--I think he's sloppy, unskilled, and relies of wrestling and hometown refereeing), but it's a joke to think he'd stand a chance against a good technical boxer like Floyd. I mean, he couldn't even beat a halfway-decent technical boxer in Collazo.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Someone who speaks the truth. What some people are failing to realize is that almost everyone can agree Floyd is talented. He just doesn't have the resume to be considered anywhere close to an all time great. People keep bringing up Gatti and Baldo. Two fighters who where perfect for Floyd....slow and not particularly skilled. Anyone with some knowledge knew they didn't have a chance. It's a joke for anyone, including Floyd, to point to these wins as a major accomplishment. The man has been coasting recently...and he and his fans think that most of us are STUPID enough to seriously think he is an all time great. You can show me a million stats JT...it boils down to the level of your competition. Floyd is trying so hard to be an all time great, an icon, a legend.....but he just does not have anything to back it up. He isn't particularly popular, doesn't have the humour or charisma, has no defining point to his career....and most importantly...unlike the true all time greats...he simply has not fought great fighters. Whether that's his fault or not is debatable. But he has no right to think he can be mentioned in the same breath as a Sugar Ray Robinson or an Ali or so many other greats. RIGHT NOW, he is just a very talented fighter. End of.

shza i dunno how many hatton fights you've seen mate but it doesnt sound like youve followed him for a while because if you had you would know his chin, heart, work rate and pressure. mayweather hasnt got the firepower of tszyu and he hasnt got the firepower to keep hatton of him for 12 rounds. if youve followed floyd and hatton you would know that hatton would be all over him like a rash.
and if floyd was trying to become a legend he would be fighting the big boys out there. but instead he's chaseing the $dollar$ sign. and he wouldnt be talkin about retiring if he was trying to extablish himself as a legend.

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Someone who speaks the truth. What some people are failing to realize is that almost everyone can agree Floyd is talented. He just doesn't have the resume to be considered anywhere close to an all time great. People keep bringing up Gatti and Baldo. Two fighters who where perfect for Floyd....slow and not particularly skilled. Anyone with some knowledge knew they didn't have a chance. It's a joke for anyone, including Floyd, to point to these wins as a major accomplishment. The man has been coasting recently...and he and his fans think that most of us are STUPID enough to seriously think he is an all time great. You can show me a million stats JT...it boils down to the level of your competition. Floyd is trying so hard to be an all time great, an icon, a legend.....but he just does not have anything to back it up. He isn't particularly popular, doesn't have the humour or charisma, has no defining point to his career....and most importantly...unlike the true all time greats...he simply has not fought great fighters. Whether that's his fault or not is debatable. But he has no right to think he can be mentioned in the same breath as a Sugar Ray Robinson or an Ali or so many other greats. RIGHT NOW, he is just a very talented fighter. End of.

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Yes sir!!! I'm stupid sir!!!! :army: ;)

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Someone who speaks the truth. What some people are failing to realize is that almost everyone can agree Floyd is talented. He just doesn't have the resume to be considered anywhere close to an all time great. People keep bringing up Gatti and Baldo. Two fighters who where perfect for Floyd....slow and not particularly skilled. Anyone with some knowledge knew they didn't have a chance. It's a joke for anyone, including Floyd, to point to these wins as a major accomplishment. The man has been coasting recently...and he and his fans think that most of us are STUPID enough to seriously think he is an all time great. You can show me a million stats JT...it boils down to the level of your competition. Floyd is trying so hard to be an all time great, an icon, a legend.....but he just does not have anything to back it up. He isn't particularly popular, doesn't have the humour or charisma, has no defining point to his career....and most importantly...unlike the true all time greats...he simply has not fought great fighters. Whether that's his fault or not is debatable. But he has no right to think he can be mentioned in the same breath as a Sugar Ray Robinson or an Ali or so many other greats. RIGHT NOW, he is just a very talented fighter. End of.

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Yes sir!!! I'm stupid sir!!!! :army: ;)

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Since we bring up resume's.

Floyd wasnt and isnt around in a time where there are Duran's running around the divisions or Leonards' or Hearns' and he shouldnt NOT be considered a great because of the time he's in.

Facts are this, he fought who he had to beat in the divisions and came up and fought everyone that people said would beat him. And I say unless there has been one opponent that 100 percent of people watching the event would say "Floyd is going to win this so easily" Then hush about how he hasn't fought anyone. There were people picking against him in his last 8 or so fights and he won. Nobody nowhere put 100 to none odds that Floyd would win. And most of the time it was because they wanted that "one punch" to land and when it doesn't they say that Floyd fought a nobody.

Floyd's era in this era Floyd has fought hte best the divisions had to offer.

People say Hatton the only name on his resume is Tszyu and when he went up to MAKE a fight with Mayweather he nearly got dethrowned by Collazo.

Margarito is just getting annoying.

Baldomir was the Undisputed champ and regardless on how Floyd made him look the guy still beat Judah and stopped Gatti. And unless every person at the crowd and the betting tables was putting money on Floyd then they felt he would or could be beaten by Baldomir, and when he started dominating Baldomir so easily they got upset at Floyd.

For what? WINNING!?!

You talk about his resume, but honestly people, why fault Floyd for not being around in an era that produced 10 or potential champs a weight class like in Leonard and Hearns' days? ::**

Greatness is defined by 'great fights'.

Miguel Cotto has been in some barn storming fights - Torres was seat-of-your pants stuff.

Hatton again, has been fantastic to watch, blood guts & stitches.

Barrera - Naz and his awsome tear-ups with Morales where tremendous.

Tito - his thunderous stoppages and vulnerablity made him a PR legend.

But Mayweather? who is his foil? i'm sorry but a sluggish made-to-fit Baldomir is not / was not ever going to be a fight that got the juices flowing.

It just didn't have any 'heat' whatsoever - it was dull dull dull.

I'm not a hater - but i would love to see the silky skills against a Cotto or Hatton.

For me, his legacy is riddled with holes - he skipped the threats at 140 and has cherry-picked his fights at 147 to give himself maximum exposure.

It wouldn't suprise me to see a Spinks next at 154 - rather than tangle with a Mosley or a Margarito or even a Winky.

Hell i would love to see a technical-fight between Wright and Mayweather as it would be comparable style-wise...

1. Hatton
2. Cotto
3. Mosley
4. Wright
5. Margarito

Ricky Hatton has stated in his Autobiog, that he would move up to 147 any day to face Floyd as he feels he has the beating of him and his 5'6 frame could take on a 5'8 fighter.

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Greatness is defined by 'great fights'.

Miguel Cotto has been in some barn storming fights - Torres was seat-of-your pants stuff.

Hatton again, has been fantastic to watch, blood guts & stitches.

Barrera - Naz and his awsome tear-ups with Morales where tremendous.

Tito - his thunderous stoppages and vulnerablity made him a PR legend.

But Mayweather? who is his foil? i'm sorry but a sluggish made-to-fit Baldomir is not / was not ever going to be a fight that got the juices flowing.

It just didn't have any 'heat' whatsoever - it was dull dull dull.

I'm not a hater - but i would love to see the silky skills against a Cotto or Hatton.

For me, his legacy is riddled with holes - he skipped the threats at 140 and has cherry-picked his fights at 147 to give himself maximum exposure.

It wouldn't suprise me to see a Spinks next at 154 - rather than tangle with a Mosley or a Margarito or even a Winky.

Hell i would love to see a technical-fight between Wright and Mayweather as it would be comparable style-wise...

1. Hatton
2. Cotto
3. Mosley
4. Wright
5. Margarito

Ricky Hatton has stated in his Autobiog, that he would move up to 147 any day to face Floyd as he feels he has the beating of him and his 5'6 frame could take on a 5'8 fighter.

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Just because someone is exciting doesn't mean they'd beat Floyd. They may be good to watch but Floyd doesn't care how he looks just to beat you. It looks like you're defining greatness by an exciting style. Hatton is exciting but against a boxer like Collazo Hatton is about toppled.

Fighters can be exciting when stuck in with a fighter who doesn't have teh style of Mayweather in and out boxing pinpoint potshoting. It takes more then being exciting to define a great fighter. Just because they are great to watch doesn't make them great. I think too many fans confuse greatness with excitement

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which is bassically what i just said though isn't it mate. i'm not denying mayweather's skill and all the tallent and all the rest of the bull shit i've talked about a thousand times (i do regard him as the best boxer in the world at the moment). and i just ten minutes ago in the post you just tried to use against me stated that mayweather did 'school' baldomir and he did come out with the win the way that most thought he would (via massive UD). but the point i'm making is that mayweather likes to big himself up as the man but he didn't show much in terms of balls in doin exactly what i thought he would do and beating a man that no one ever even gave a chance to.

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Maybe you are looking for the roots, where two guys sit on rocks and take turns hitting each other until one of the falls over and repeat. Me personally, I think PBF showed what he's best at...............BOXING.

Ok Majesty, i see your point,

But would you rather watch a PRIME Tyson or Lennox ?

Say, Riddick Bowe was the opponent!

Or would you prefer to watch Juan manuel Marquez? or Paquiao ?

My pick would be Paq & Tyson.

This is my taste though, although i appreciate the 'sweet science' too, my feelings are that i'm in the majority.

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Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Someone who speaks the truth. What some people are failing to realize is that almost everyone can agree Floyd is talented. He just doesn't have the resume to be considered anywhere close to an all time great. People keep bringing up Gatti and Baldo. Two fighters who where perfect for Floyd....slow and not particularly skilled. Anyone with some knowledge knew they didn't have a chance. It's a joke for anyone, including Floyd, to point to these wins as a major accomplishment. The man has been coasting recently...and he and his fans think that most of us are STUPID enough to seriously think he is an all time great. You can show me a million stats JT...it boils down to the level of your competition. Floyd is trying so hard to be an all time great, an icon, a legend.....but he just does not have anything to back it up. He isn't particularly popular, doesn't have the humour or charisma, has no defining point to his career....and most importantly...unlike the true all time greats...he simply has not fought great fighters. Whether that's his fault or not is debatable. But he has no right to think he can be mentioned in the same breath as a Sugar Ray Robinson or an Ali or so many other greats. RIGHT NOW, he is just a very talented fighter. End of.

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Yes sir!!! I'm stupid sir!!!! :army: ;)

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Since we bring up resume's.

Floyd wasnt and isnt around in a time where there are Duran's running around the divisions or Leonards' or Hearns' and he shouldnt NOT be considered a great because of the time he's in.

Facts are this, he fought who he had to beat in the divisions and came up and fought everyone that people said would beat him. And I say unless there has been one opponent that 100 percent of people watching the event would say "Floyd is going to win this so easily" Then hush about how he hasn't fought anyone. There were people picking against him in his last 8 or so fights and he won. Nobody nowhere put 100 to none odds that Floyd would win. And most of the time it was because they wanted that "one punch" to land and when it doesn't they say that Floyd fought a nobody.

Floyd's era in this era Floyd has fought hte best the divisions had to offer.

People say Hatton the only name on his resume is Tszyu and when he went up to MAKE a fight with Mayweather he nearly got dethrowned by Collazo.

Margarito is just getting annoying.

Baldomir was the Undisputed champ and regardless on how Floyd made him look the guy still beat Judah and stopped Gatti. And unless every person at the crowd and the betting tables was putting money on Floyd then they felt he would or could be beaten by Baldomir, and when he started dominating Baldomir so easily they got upset at Floyd.

For what? WINNING!?!

You talk about his resume, but honestly people, why fault Floyd for not being around in an era that produced 10 or potential champs a weight class like in Leonard and Hearns' days? ::**

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Ok Majesty, i see your point,

But would you rather watch a PRIME Tyson or Lennox ?

Say, Riddick Bowe was the opponent!

Or would you prefer to watch Juan manuel Marquez? or Paquiao ?

My pick would be Paq & Tyson.

This is my taste though, although i appreciate the 'sweet science' too, my feelings are that i'm in the majority.

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They all do what they do impressively and in their own style so I'd watch them all if I could.

Marquez and Lewis both do what they do very well and win their fights with it and have big wins because of it and each has the style neccessary to get those wins that they have.

Same is said for Tyson and Pacquiao.  I'd personally rather see someone win with their style to win rather then getting rid of all their advantages by trying to stand and trade and prove something and lose the fight.  You can look great but if you lose you won't be considered it. As long as they stay true to their style and win those defining fights with it they will always have my respect as a great fighter.

Know what I mean?

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shza i dunno how many hatton fights you've seen mate but it doesnt sound like youve followed him for a while because if you had you would know his chin, heart, work rate and pressure. mayweather hasnt got the firepower of tszyu and he hasnt got the firepower to keep hatton of him for 12 rounds.

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collazo is not a puncher at all. 12 or 13 ko's. yet he deserved at least a draw with Hatton. why? because it's not "firepower" that you need to beat Hatton--it's technique. Collazo has reasonably good technique and no punching power and he was the better man that night. Mayweather is much faster, better technically, and better defensively than Collazo, and hits harder. Hatton's "chin" didn't look great against the feather-fisted Collazo either (nor did his face after the fight). Hatton is like an inferior version of Castillo, who will crush him if and when that fight happens.

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if youve followed floyd and hatton you would know that hatton would be all over him like a rash.
and if floyd was trying to become a legend he would be fighting the big boys out there.

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I agree to some extent, but the unproven Ricky Hatton ain't "one of the big boys." He's got one victory against a name, a sloppy victory in a dirty and very close fight against an over-the-hill Kostya Tszyu, who had a shoulder injury going into the fight serious enough to require immediate surgery afterward, and who was coming off of a 2-year layoff. Castillo and Coralles were both bigger challenges. Mosely is the only fighter I can see being competitive with Floyd, but I think he's too old at this point. Other than him, I'm not sure what "big boys" you're talking about. More unproven guys with one good (but past his prime) name on their resume like Hatton? Margarito? Paul Williams? Cotto? Explain to me how beating any of those guys would make Floyd "great" if you don't believe he already is--none of them is as good as Castillo, who he's already beaten.

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shza i dunno how many hatton fights you've seen mate but it doesnt sound like youve followed him for a while because if you had you would know his chin, heart, work rate and pressure. mayweather hasnt got the firepower of tszyu and he hasnt got the firepower to keep hatton of him for 12 rounds.

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collazo is not a puncher at all. 12 or 13 ko's. yet he deserved at least a draw with Hatton. why? because it's not "firepower" that you need to beat Hatton--it's technique. Collazo has reasonably good technique and no punching power and he was the better man that night. Mayweather is much faster, better technically, and better defensively than Collazo, and hits harder. Hatton's "chin" didn't look great against the feather-fisted Collazo either (nor did his face after the fight). Hatton is like an inferior version of Castillo, who will crush him if and when that fight happens.

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if youve followed floyd and hatton you would know that hatton would be all over him like a rash.
and if floyd was trying to become a legend he would be fighting the big boys out there.

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I agree to some extent, but the unproven Ricky Hatton ain't "one of the big boys." He's got one victory against a name, a sloppy victory in a dirty and very close fight against an over-the-hill Kostya Tszyu, who had a shoulder injury going into the fight serious enough to require immediate surgery afterward, and who was coming off of a 2-year layoff. Castillo and Coralles were both bigger challenges. Mosely is the only fighter I can see being competitive with Floyd, but I think he's too old at this point. Other than him, I'm not sure what "big boys" you're talking about. More unproven guys with one good (but past his prime) name on their resume like Hatton? Margarito? Paul Williams? Cotto? Explain to me how beating any of those guys would make Floyd "great" if you don't believe he already is--none of them is as good as Castillo, who he's already beaten.

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CC to anyone that can give me the following stats

In Hatton vs. Tszyu

How many times did Ricky Low Blow KT?
How many times did Ricky hold and hit KT?
How many times did Ricky clinch KT?
How many times did Ricky get arm locks on KT?

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So c'mon rake on them to but you wont cause your hating...C'mon admit it

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I will admit I'm a Floyd "hater," if you admit your a Floyd Puppet.

I like Floyd's style better than roy jones jr's style. RJJ has loads of talent. but most of the time his fighting style bores me to death.

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shza i dunno how many hatton fights you've seen mate but it doesnt sound like youve followed him for a while because if you had you would know his chin, heart, work rate and pressure. mayweather hasnt got the firepower of tszyu and he hasnt got the firepower to keep hatton of him for 12 rounds.

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collazo is not a puncher at all. 12 or 13 ko's. yet he deserved at least a draw with Hatton. why? because it's not "firepower" that you need to beat Hatton--it's technique. Collazo has reasonably good technique and no punching power and he was the better man that night. Mayweather is much faster, better technically, and better defensively than Collazo, and hits harder. Hatton's "chin" didn't look great against the feather-fisted Collazo either (nor did his face after the fight). Hatton is like an inferior version of Castillo, who will crush him if and when that fight happens.

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if youve followed floyd and hatton you would know that hatton would be all over him like a rash.
and if floyd was trying to become a legend he would be fighting the big boys out there.

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I agree to some extent, but the unproven Ricky Hatton ain't "one of the big boys." He's got one victory against a name, a sloppy victory in a dirty and very close fight against an over-the-hill Kostya Tszyu, who had a shoulder injury going into the fight serious enough to require immediate surgery afterward, and who was coming off of a 2-year layoff. Castillo and Coralles were both bigger challenges. Mosely is the only fighter I can see being competitive with Floyd, but I think he's too old at this point. Other than him, I'm not sure what "big boys" you're talking about. More unproven guys with one good (but past his prime) name on their resume like Hatton? Margarito? Paul Williams? Cotto? Explain to me how beating any of those guys would make Floyd "great" if you don't believe he already is--none of them is as good as Castillo, who he's already beaten.

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CC to anyone that can give me the following stats

In Hatton vs. Tszyu

How many times did Ricky Low Blow KT?
How many times did Ricky hold and hit KT?
How many times did Ricky clinch KT?
How many times did Ricky get arm locks on KT?

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1,Ricky hit KT once below the belt line, and this was on purpose due to KT hitting Ricky twice below the belt up to that point. ( watch the fight again).
2, As many times as KT held and hit Ricky ( but did you see KT complain ? )
3, Again just as much as what KT did. ( i did see Floyd tie up Baldi too when in close )
4, As much as it took to win the fight ( i didnt like the fact PBF ran all night against Baldi, just the style of the fighter, but once again KT NEVER complained about any of the above after the fight)

When has PBF ever fought someone ranked in the top 3 P4P at the time of the fight ?
Ricky has, against KT.

The point was shza, that when Ricky went in with a naturally bigger guy, he actually went at him instead of running around the ring. Now i'm guessing you have never seen alot of Hatton's fight's. You probably have not seen the Tackie, Magee, Thaxton, Phillips fights, to name but a few. If you had then i dont think you would think as you do about him, unless of course your just a hater and carnt appreciate the boxing skills he has. ;)

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Bragging about a Carlos Baldomir win is just horrible in boxing.

It really is. When supposed P for P is counting for his fanatics to support a Baldomir win.
Floyd did what he was supposed to do. What would have been surprising is knock Carlos out.

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He sure did...he beat the champion & that's what counts. I'll bet your'e a Margarito fan aren't you? Didn't he beat Santos? No...waitaminute...NEXT!

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Pitter Pat your way to a victory and EXPECT criticism.
Tiger Woods leaves when your still fighting... expect it.
Charles leaves, expect it.
Crowd boos, expect it.
PPV numbers low, expect it.

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Tiger Woods is a fwockin golfer...so let that bitch leave...true boxing fans knew that that was a good fight & that Floyd won.

Had Oscar fought the same fight everyone would cream in their pants...ko or not...you people should just admit to your hate.

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Floyd can con his fans, but he won't con me. I know what an elite fighter is... Floyd Mayweather.
But I also know what a true B*d*ss is too. Let me just say Pernell Whitaker is above Floyd.
Roy is above Floyd. Hell, I'd even rate the careers of Morales above Floyd. hahaaha
I know I got a few stomachs turning with that one. But I can name many great names on
Morales' resume. And let me just say, I love Castillo but he ain't no Barrera or Pacquiao...
and may the boxing gods look down on you if you compare Castillo to Chavez or Duran.

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Floyd's not conning his fans...& I'm sure he's really out there pulling a Mission Impossible 4 & trying to con you. ::** Christ...the guy won. He moved up & beat THE man...when & if he fights Margarito & beats him...what will you say then?

Love all those fighters you want. I love them too...but let's not forget he beat Castillo & Corrales & IWO...he'd beat the great Barrera.

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Bang on mate :appl: :coolclick:

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh blah! Your'e a Hatton fan...so just bang on & clap about Hatton beating 1 name fighter while he runs back down to 140 instead of ripping into Floyd's accomplishments & the many champions that he has defeated. ::**