F.Mayweather Vs S.Mosley

I say Mayweather by Decision.

Me too... Mosley has lost the speed needed to stand a chance with Mayweather, but even if he had the speed I've been watching his fight with Jesse James Leija and he just fights stupid... or really awkward, and Mayweather would have afield day with any version of Mosley if he fought like he did against COrrales.

Me three. Both at there best at LW Shane wins though IMO, but Floyd is better atm no doubt about it. Beating Vargas doesnt say he can beat Mayweather to me.

Shane's fast, he has agood chin...good enough to take Oscar's best shots and not get too hurt.

Shane can either box or brawl and he has good power....he's tough for ANYONE especially if the guy in question is not a tall boxer with a good jab and good defense

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Shane's fast, he has agood chin...good enough to take Oscar's best shots and not get too hurt.

Shane can either box or brawl and he has good power....he's tough for ANYONE especially if the guy in question is not a tall boxer with a good jab and good defense

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I thought you were not the biggest Mosley fan Lyle?

I think Mosley, stamina permitting will be able to actually outpoint PBF (I said it and admit it)
I also think PBF's defense is too solid for him to actually get hurt, So I went with Mosley UD

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

mayweather by decision

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

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No the reason is, that Mosley has phenomenal experience and would be closer to his natural weight. He hasn't always won, but he's been in against some incredible talent. Winky, ODLH, Vargas. His ability to rough up floyd early and box him late gives him the best chance IMO. by no means do I think that this would be a blow-out though.

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

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No the reason is, that Mosley has phenomenal experience and would be closer to his natural weight. He hasn't always won, but he's been in against some incredible talent. Winky, ODLH, Vargas. His ability to rough up floyd early and box him late gives him the best chance IMO. by no means do I think that this would be a blow-out though.

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Not a blow out, i think it would be close for half the fight. After that I think Mayweather would start taking rounds and being the more active fighter as I have seen a tendency for Mosley to start gassin out in the later rounds (such as in his first fight with Vargas).

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

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No the reason is, that Mosley has phenomenal experience and would be closer to his natural weight. He hasn't always won, but he's been in against some incredible talent. Winky, ODLH, Vargas. His ability to rough up floyd early and box him late gives him the best chance IMO. by no means do I think that this would be a blow-out though.

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Not a blow out, i think it would be close for half the fight. After that I think Mayweather would start taking rounds and being the more active fighter as I have seen a tendency for Mosley to start gassin out in the later rounds (such as in his first fight with Vargas).

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Mosley, stamina permitting will be able to actually outpoint PBF (I said it and admit it)
I also think PBF's defense is too solid for him to actually get hurt, So I went with Mosley UD

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

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No the reason is, that Mosley has phenomenal experience and would be closer to his natural weight. He hasn't always won, but he's been in against some incredible talent. Winky, ODLH, Vargas. His ability to rough up floyd early and box him late gives him the best chance IMO. by no means do I think that this would be a blow-out though.

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I'll definitely agree that Winky is better than anyone Floyd's been in against. But Mosely lost to him both times. I think ODLH is p4p of about the same level as Castillo. And Vargas, especially by the time Mosely got to him, was not an incredible talent. He looked worse than Baldomir did in Mosely/Vargas II. I hear you about the natural weight though. Floyd's never been in with anyone who's both that much naturally bigger than him AND has good technique and speed. I just don't think Mosely has quite the speed to do the job. And I don't think the size disparity is so great as to allow Mosely to really bully Floyd much. Mosely still looks quite small at 154, for instance.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Shane's fast, he has agood chin...good enough to take Oscar's best shots and not get too hurt.

Shane can either box or brawl and he has good power....he's tough for ANYONE especially if the guy in question is not a tall boxer with a good jab and good defense

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Mayweather has a good jab, and an amazing defense so he's still alright.. also Mosley has horrible timing for being such a great athlete.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Shane's fast, he has agood chin...good enough to take Oscar's best shots and not get too hurt.

Shane can either box or brawl and he has good power....he's tough for ANYONE especially if the guy in question is not a tall boxer with a good jab and good defense

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I thought you were not the biggest Mosley fan Lyle?

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I'm not....but he's stepped up more than Floyd has and he only has 1 weakness and it ain't Floyd

I say Mosley goes in as the underdog and KO's Floyd, but of course it depends which Mosley shows up.

If Floyd runs and Shane sits back on the end of a jab all night he loses the decision. If Shane gets close enough for long enough Floyd get stopped. The only person with comparable speed and size PBF has faced is Zab. I don't think Floyd's right hand will earn enough respect from Shane to win him the fight.

look at the accuracy shane has on the double-ended bag... very nice work and speed from sugar S
[youtube=425,350]79EgOLtXmZk[/youtube]

In all of Shane's fights I've only noticed 1 thing don't like about his style....his upper body is way too stiff....he never really sits down on a hook the way Tyson, Frazier, Lacy, De la Hoya, etc did....I guess it helps his handspeed but you have to worry about his power

never noticed that,....... shane sure hits hard.

Its a shame they didn't just skip to the last minute of that clip but nice find all the same ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

In all of Shane's fights I've only noticed 1 thing don't like about his style....his upper body is way too stiff....he never really sits down on a hook the way Tyson, Frazier, Lacy, De la Hoya, etc did....I guess it helps his handspeed but you have to worry about his power

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I wouldn't worry to much about his power, especially when he did this in his last fight ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr7guRjKelU

Let them fight inside the ring and see the whole actions on it. Let's get ready to rumble! I am really excited to see this fight :D

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Me too... Mosley has lost the speed needed to stand a chance with Mayweather, but even if he had the speed I've been watching his fight with Jesse James Leija and he just fights stupid... or really awkward, and Mayweather would have afield day with any version of Mosley if he fought like he did against COrrales.

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Didn't shane stop leija? Wasn't that a one sided beat down?

Shane by decision but i will take the stoppage if he is offering.

Maywetaher Wide UD.

MAyweather by decision for me.



Hmmmm. I'm wondering if Mayweather asked for an olympic drug testing on Shane who's known to be a droid user.;D


He should be asking for that or else it might be construed that he was just afraid to fight manny.

I've been away from this forum so I currently don't know any boxing news.;)

I actually agree with Shane being a bit stiff. He is certainly fast...but the difference in speed between Shane and Floyd lies in the fluidity and relaxed movement. Floyd's speed and movement are so natural...very little wasted effort. In the last few years...Shane has had a tendency to load up on his punches and not throw as many crisp combos. Nazeem Richardson has seemed to fix this issue a little...but i haven't seen Shane be a complete force since his first fight with Oscar. In that fight...Shane was blinding fast...jumping in and out with great combos. I am not going to discount Shane's chances completely...he is still a great athlete and has a heart of a warrior. But Floyd, especially at this stage of their careers, is just going to be too good. I have Floyd winning on points.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

In all of Shane's fights I've only noticed 1 thing don't like about his style....his upper body is way too stiff....he never really sits down on a hook the way Tyson, Frazier, Lacy, De la Hoya, etc did....I guess it helps his handspeed but you have to worry about his power

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Shane floors Mayweather , and wins , by points or Ko not sure which , but i voted for KO.

Mosley at his very best can take Floyd to a dark place, but a Mosley who hasn't fought in almost a year and a half and who is 39 I am less sure about. If Mosley is as good as he is saying then I think he can get to Floyd.

My heart says Mosley, but my head isn't so sure.

Probably Mayweather UD.
Can't see Moseley matching Floyds pace and power for the full fight.

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Mosley at his very best can take Floyd to a dark place, but a Mosley who hasn't fought in almost a year and a half and who is 39 I am less sure about. If Mosley is as good as he is saying then I think he can get to Floyd.

My heart says Mosley, but my head isn't so sure.

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Same here..I've been saying since i joined the forum that Shane is the only one that can best floyd. Knowing that they both can beat the other at any point in their career I've always leaned towards Shane because he is much stronger than Floyd with comparable speed. Floyd is 100% right now and riding a lot of ego. Shane is 100% motivated, but I wonder who's bad habits will be exposed first.

Shane is going to eat a lot of right hands and jabs if he tries to walk him down.

But Floyd in his last four fights has been able to sit in the pocket and shoulder roll against smaller men with slower hands and wide punches. Exception being old oscar. i'm wondering if floyd even has the legs to bounce and circle all night like he did against Corrales because everyone is a creature of habit and he hasnt done that in long time and no matter how good he is, his success in winning the same way over the last several years could be his undoing in this fight.

Don't really care who wins, but pulling for Shane because since joining the forum and being a Floyd supporter for a long time, he's really turned into an unbearable personality. And I would like to see which one comes out if he loses.

Against all I know, I voted for shane by UD...

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Originally Posted by shza

Mayweather UD. Even at his prime, I don't think Mosely was as fast as Floyd is--and he definitely isn't now. He looked better than he had in a while against the walking-punching-bag version of Vargas he was in there against in the last fight, but he had looked considerably off of his prime for a few fights leading up to that one--for one thing, he'd replaced his fast combinations with single shots. Even if he regains some speed at 147 and throw the old combos like he did against Vargas in their second fight though, I think that'll just leave him open to getting painted with counters all night. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this would be an easy fight for Floyd, but I'd bet on him taking 8 of 12 rounds.

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I agree. Only reason anyone is talkin about Shane Mosley is because he looked so good against a finished Vargas. And in the second fight Vargas appeared to have no energy in him whatsoever (probably from trying so hard to make weight). Mayweather would destroy him on points. I bet this would be a really entertaining fight though for about the first five rounds...after that Mayweather would build a steady lead and take the decision...

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The wins over Vargas has nothing to do it, it's his demolition of Magarito, KO of Mayorga and dominant win over Collazo that have got people excited.

Even in his loss to Cotto ( a prime Cotto we should add before Margarito's handwraps destroyed him) he had Cotto backing off the last few rounds.

You have to favour Mayweather of course but Mosely is a significant challenge.

He's got a great chin, has never been stopped, has the power to take any fighter out and the will and heart to give his all.

He's older, and a little slower now and I think it's going to require a bit of luck, but he represents the biggest threat to Floyd since Oscar at 154, and is easily his biggest ever threat as a welterweight.

Should be a great fight, Mosely is not the type of fighter you can just count out against anybody, although I too believe Mayweather will likely prevail.

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Probably Mayweather UD.
Can't see Moseley matching Floyds pace and power for the full fight.

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I agree Moseley has no chance , were as i think Mosley has a great chance.

I think this will be Floyd's toughest opponent..

Floyd will have to move the ENTIRE fight. He will be pot shotting just like he did against Oscar, i believe.

I don't see Shane possessing any type of style that Floyd hasn't faced before, but he does have good power and if he gets lucky he could catch Floyd, someone who we really haven't seen how his chin is as off late considering no one can catch him too flush. IM NOT saying he has a weak chin, i'm just saying it hasn't been tested all that often.

With that said.. we've never seen Floyd tire down the stretch, ever.. We've always seen him poised and comfortable and never panicking. If shane wants to have a chance, he's going to need to catch Floyd early i think, and keep him running and hope he makes him tired enough later in the fight to continue to catch him. He's going to have to make Floyd uncomfortable.. something we've never seen.

Mosley UD, its sugar time baby!

Honestly if you watch the winky and forrest fights.........it kinda give you the answer as to what mosley can do against mayweather..imo of course

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I think this will be Floyd's toughest opponent..

Floyd will have to move the ENTIRE fight. He will be pot shotting just like he did against Oscar, i believe.

I don't see Shane possessing any type of style that Floyd hasn't faced before, but he does have good power and if he gets lucky he could catch Floyd, someone who we really haven't seen how his chin is as off late considering no one can catch him too flush. IM NOT saying he has a weak chin, i'm just saying it hasn't been tested all that often.

With that said.. we've never seen Floyd tire down the stretch, ever.. We've always seen him poised and comfortable and never panicking. If shane wants to have a chance, he's going to need to catch Floyd early i think, and keep him running and hope he makes him tired enough later in the fight to continue to catch him. He's going to have to make Floyd uncomfortable.. something we've never seen.

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Castillo made it difficult for Floyd, so did Judah early and Hatton early, Shane can keep that intensity but with experience to hopefully pull out a decision.

Floyd on pts:thumb:
If any1 can beat him its Shane
But at this stage I dont think he can:dontknow:

I am a Mosley fan and I do not like Floyd but Floyd has talent like him or not so I am going to get really objective. Mosley is a welter and Floyd has moved up. Shane has a good chance of hurting Floyd during the fight and his stamina does help him to impose his will on opponents. Shane still has the speed to connect with a direct hit on Floyd. No one has caught Floyd napping and his eyes are wide open but he has to blink sometime. Floyd never had anyone eally trap him and Shane may have the power to do it and most important,the talent provided he is in shape.