Who must Floyd beat to cement his legacy?

In a previous thread, I wrote that I will lose respect and feel cheated by Floyd if he only fights once more. I think that there are at least 3 more fights he needs to be make before he can be considered a top 5 all-time fighter. There are just too many good fights at welter/jr welter to be made for him to walk away and not have people argue that he is running or ducking.

I think he needs to fight Tony just to close the book on the issue. If he won't fight Tony, I'll settle for Cotto. I really like to see him fight both Tony and Cotto. I would like to see him fight Shane and/or Oscar. I wouldn't mind seeing he fight Hatton, though I'm not sure he needs that fight to prove anything if he'll step in with Tony or Cotto.

He's my list. I would be satisfied with Floyd if he would finish his career beating Tony, Cotto, and Shane, in no particular order. If he made those three fights, I would never question him again as a true champion or an all-time great on the level with Leonard, Duran, and Hagler.

If he can beat Cotto. Hatton, Margarito, Mosely and DLH, I would settle for that and let him retire 8)

Mosley or De la Hoya....those guys are still very good and they are All-Time greats.

If he can't get fights with them beating all three hatton, Cotto, and Margarito would do the job just fine.

Beating Margarito would be good for him now, I think he should jump up to 154
and grab any of those titles that he can.

ODLH - if Oscar goes for it
Jose Rivera - WBA Champ
Cory Spinks - IBF Champ
Sergeii Dzinziruk - WBO Champ

I would even like to see him fight Kassim Ouma, as a welcome to the 154's fight.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Beating Margarito would be good for him now, I think he should jump up to 154
and grab any of those titles that he can.

ODLH - if Oscar goes for it
Jose Rivera - WBA Champ
Cory Spinks - IBF Champ
Sergeii Dzinziruk - WBO Champ

I would even like to see him fight Kassim Ouma, as a welcome to the 154's fight.

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Sorry Killersheep but why does he need to move up weight?? The only fighter there who adds to his legacy is ODLH, Rivera was beaton at 147 by Collazo Spinks was sparked out by Judah, He needs to fight the best and the best is.

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Beating Margarito would be good for him now, I think he should jump up to 154
and grab any of those titles that he can.

ODLH - if Oscar goes for it
Jose Rivera - WBA Champ
Cory Spinks - IBF Champ
Sergeii Dzinziruk - WBO Champ

I would even like to see him fight Kassim Ouma, as a welcome to the 154's fight.

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Sorry Killersheep but why does he need to move up weight?? The only fighter there who adds to his legacy is ODLH, Rivera was beaton at 147 by Collazo Spinks was sparked out by Judah, He needs to fight the best and the best is.

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

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Because his goal was to get titles in 5 divisions before age 30, that was the goal he set out.

If you are talking in terms of best, if he beats, ODLH or Mosley at this point, people will say that they were past-it.
Ricky Hatton would be a step backwards for him, since he is trying to get titles in higher weight divisions, Ricky's camp has stated that
they are not ready for Floyd. Margarito, I like Tony, but I certainly would not call him the best of the best. Cotto hasn't even fought at 147 yet,
and as for 140 see Hatton.

To answer the question of this thread...

Oscar and Mosley.
The only two people that have achieved more than him.

He needs to beat them convincingly.

Oscar Delahoya. Doesnt sound like hes gonna get that fight though...so Mosley or Margarito, maybe Hatton although I think he would get killed. Hopefully that super dramatic show of tears at the post presser was just Floyd caught up in the moment and he will fight several more times before going out...

Who does he need to beat to cement his legacy ... what a load of bullshit.

All a fighter can do is beat the best out there, then retire. A reputation or legacy only comes after many years of retirement when a fighter's whole career can be objectively viewed as a completed item.

Nobody can write history and influence on what future generations will think, and it is pretty arrogant to think so. ???

The problem is he is too good and too defensive. I know this sounds dumb but think about it. SRR, SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Muhammad Ali, etc...all had to trade punches and put their heart on the line sometime in their career to get the legacies that they have today. PBF has yet to do so. Because of that, and feel free to bring on the sad clicks, he is not going to be on that level regardless of his immense talent. And for that reason alone his legacy will always be in question by many.

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Originally Posted by X

Who does he need to beat to cement his legacy ... what a load of bullshit.

All a fighter can do is beat the best out there, then retire. A reputation or legacy only comes after many years of retirement when a fighter's whole career can be objectively viewed as a completed item.

Nobody can write history and influence on what future generations will think, and it is pretty arrogant to think so. ???

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This is the best post that I have ever read from you. Fighter's alway's seem to grow stronger reputations the longer they have been away from the ring, if Floyd walked away now in 5 years every fighter that is at the top of the sport would be compared to him and you would hear many of his haters say "this guy in not better than Floyd was". This guy does not need to do anymore, but beating Cotto, Hatton, and Margarito would be fun to see for the fight fans, I would rather see that then De La Hoya and Mosley.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

The problem is he is too good and too defensive. I know this sounds dumb but think about it. SRR, SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Muhammad Ali, etc...all had to trade punches and put their heart on the line sometime in their career to get the legacies that they have today. PBF has yet to do so. Because of that, and feel free to bring on the sad clicks, he is not going to be on that level regardless of his immense talent. And for that reason alone his legacy will always be in question by many.

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So you are saying since he dominated all his competition that will hurt his legacy, you are saying since there wasen't someone to push him to the limit his career was not on the line of the greats. The fact that he can dominate other champions is very impressive to me, I would have loved to see him have a great trilogy with someone but there was no one on his level, he is not a likeable guy but you have to admire his talent, and shuting out the linear champion whether it was exciting or not in incredible too me.

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Who does he need to beat to cement his legacy ... what a load of bullshit.

All a fighter can do is beat the best out there, then retire. A reputation or legacy only comes after many years of retirement when a fighter's whole career can be objectively viewed as a completed item.

Nobody can write history and influence on what future generations will think, and it is pretty arrogant to think so. ???

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A fighter cements his legacy by beating the best out there. So far, Floyd has NOT done that, and if you think Floyd doesn't care about about his legacy, you are sadly mistaken. That, and money, are all he cares about. Fighters care about their legacy all the time - look at Hopkins, Jones, and to some degree, Toney. Why else would Hopkins consider fighting Maskaev? Yes, it is arrogant, but guess what, I'm not sure there is a more arrogant person on the planet than PBF.

If he retires now, the will be to many questions.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

The problem is he is too good and too defensive. I know this sounds dumb but think about it. SRR, SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Muhammad Ali, etc...all had to trade punches and put their heart on the line sometime in their career to get the legacies that they have today. PBF has yet to do so. Because of that, and feel free to bring on the sad clicks, he is not going to be on that level regardless of his immense talent. And for that reason alone his legacy will always be in question by many.

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CC. My point exactly.

And I'll add this. We don't know if there is someone else to push him because he hasn't fought all the people that he should fight.

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Originally Posted by SeanE

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Originally Posted by X

Who does he need to beat to cement his legacy ... what a load of bullshit.

All a fighter can do is beat the best out there, then retire. A reputation or legacy only comes after many years of retirement when a fighter's whole career can be objectively viewed as a completed item.

Nobody can write history and influence on what future generations will think, and it is pretty arrogant to think so. ???

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A fighter cements his legacy by beating the best out there. So far, Floyd has NOT done that, and if you think Floyd doesn't care about about his legacy, you are sadly mistaken. That, and money, are all he cares about. Fighters care about their legacy all the time - look at Hopkins, Jones, and to some degree, Toney. Why else would Hopkins consider fighting Maskaev? Yes, it is arrogant, but guess what, I'm not sure there is a more arrogant person on the planet than PBF.

If he retires now, the will be to many questions.

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The same way that you give PBF no credit for beating the linear champion I believe that you would do the same if he beat anyone of the people that you think he needs to beat. There was someone who made a very good post yesterday and listed all the fighters in contention to fight PBF and made the excuses of the fans if he were to beat them. The truth is it's a lose lose situation with people like you, if he would have ducked Baldo and fought Margarito and beat him you would have switched your opinion around, truth be told he could never do anything to satisfy someone such as yourself.

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

The problem is he is too good and too defensive. I know this sounds dumb but think about it. SRR, SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Muhammad Ali, etc...all had to trade punches and put their heart on the line sometime in their career to get the legacies that they have today. PBF has yet to do so. Because of that, and feel free to bring on the sad clicks, he is not going to be on that level regardless of his immense talent. And for that reason alone his legacy will always be in question by many.

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So you are saying since he dominated all his competition that will hurt his legacy, you are saying since there wasen't someone to push him to the limit his career was not on the line of the greats. The fact that he can dominate other champions is very impressive to me, I would have loved to see him have a great trilogy with someone but there was no one on his level, he is not a likeable guy but you have to admire his talent, and shuting out the linear champion whether it was exciting or not in incredible too me.

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Exactly. Exactly he is immpressive to watch, but so was Roy Jones. And you never hear Jones name mentioned alsongside Sugar Ray Robinson. Mayweather needs a tough risky fight. He needs a Jake LaMotta of his own imo

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

If Floyd could beat the above list (in addition to whom he's already beaten), then he should probably be considered as "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME."

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Originally Posted by BIG H

If he can beat Cotto. Hatton, Margarito, Mosely and DLH, I would settle for that and let him retire 8)

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i agree. those are the best fighters for mayweather to fight. he will get respect if he beats them

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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

If Floyd could beat the above list (in addition to whom he's already beaten), then he should probably be considered as "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME."

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problem is here is what people will say when he beats these guys,

1) ODLH - He was past it
2) Mosley - He was past it
3) Hatton - He wasn't on form, or it was at the wrong weight
4) Margarito - Yeah but who has Tony beat?
5) Cotto - Yeah but who has Miguel beat?

His legacy is ok but I am not sure his legacy is even as solid as being cemented in mud at the moment. He has to fight legends so these fights live on for the future. Oscar did it. Hearns did it. Hagler did. Chavez did. All the legends did and Floyd has not. He has to fight a big name next. If he fights another Baldomir kind of guy next his career will be forgotten in the future.

Honestly I don't think it matters if he retires after his next figt or if he fights Tony, Cotto, Hatton or Oscar or Mosley. If he was to fight all the people everyone has listed by then there is going to be someone else that as worked there way up the ranks and is hot (Maybe Paul Williams or someone else), then everyone is going to say if he fought this guy then it would cement his legacy for me then after him it will be someone else its a never ending battle to me.

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Originally Posted by X

Who does he need to beat to cement his legacy ... what a load of bullshit.

All a fighter can do is beat the best out there, then retire. A reputation or legacy only comes after many years of retirement when a fighter's whole career can be objectively viewed as a completed item.

Nobody can write history and influence on what future generations will think, and it is pretty arrogant to think so. ???

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A fighter cements his legacy by beating the best out there. So far, Floyd has NOT done that, and if you think Floyd doesn't care about about his legacy, you are sadly mistaken. That, and money, are all he cares about. Fighters care about their legacy all the time - look at Hopkins, Jones, and to some degree, Toney. Why else would Hopkins consider fighting Maskaev? Yes, it is arrogant, but guess what, I'm not sure there is a more arrogant person on the planet than PBF.

If he retires now, the will be to many questions.

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The same way that you give PBF no credit for beating the linear champion I believe that you would do the same if he beat anyone of the people that you think he needs to beat. There was someone who made a very good post yesterday and listed all the fighters in contention to fight PBF and made the excuses of the fans if he were to beat them. The truth is it's a lose lose situation with people like you, if he would have ducked Baldo and fought Margarito and beat him you would have switched your opinion around, truth be told he could never do anything to satisfy someone such as yourself.

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Wrong. Very wrong. I like Floyd a lot. I give him plenty of credit for beating the linear champ. I give him plenty of credit for dominating Castillo in the rematch and destroying Chico. I think he needed to beat Baldy. I just think he needs to beat Tony, too, and clean up some loose ends. I think he will beat all of the fighters listed, but I want to see it actually happen.

This guy thinks that he is the best to EVER put on gloves. I'm sorry, but before I list someone as an the BEST EVER I need him to erase any possible doubts and shut up all the naysayers. Unify 147, then retire.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

If Floyd could beat the above list (in addition to whom he's already beaten), then he should probably be considered as "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME."

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problem is here is what people will say when he beats these guys,

1) ODLH - He was past it
2) Mosley - He was past it
3) Hatton - He wasn't on form, or it was at the wrong weight
4) Margarito - Yeah but who has Tony beat?
5) Cotto - Yeah but who has Miguel beat?

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Yeah but bro,you normally get those responses from nuthhuggers not wanting Floyd to fight those guys or Floyd haters,the TRUE boxing fans,the ones that are not hanging from Floyd's testicles NOR the ones that dislike him just because he is Floyd know that is an AWESOME list and if he fought and beat those guys,he would be fighting the best. De La Hoya--legend,look at his resume. Mosley,awesome fighter and although not as good as he once was,getting back to with the Vargas showing. Hatton at 140,the world champ and destroyrd KT who everyone thought was practically unbeateable at that weight. Magarito,stlyisitc nightmare for anyone,unbeaten at WW for a long long long time and Cotto,a rising star,maybe one of the next big stars of boxing!


To be honest,3 out of those fighters would impress me,but I want to see watch a PBF knowing he won't coast to a voctory. When was the last time we watched a PBF fight and thought,yep Floyd may lot those OR it will be tough. I think for me,Corrales? JLC? CERTAINLY NOT GUYS LIKE bRUSSESL,Gatti etc etc!

maybe we were spoiled by the fighters of the past like Chavez and Hearns and Delehoya. guys who fought the best. Floyd can be regarded as good fighting the guys he is fighting, but not great. And no way is he really that high on the all time p4p list. he needs some better wins. He seems to lack confidence to fight the best.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking

1.Oscar Dela Hoya
2.Shane Mosley
3.Ricky Hatton
4.Antonio Margorito
5.Miguel Cotto.

If Floyd could beat the above list (in addition to whom he's already beaten), then he should probably be considered as "THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME."

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problem is here is what people will say when he beats these guys,

1) ODLH - He was past it
2) Mosley - He was past it
3) Hatton - He wasn't on form, or it was at the wrong weight
4) Margarito - Yeah but who has Tony beat?
5) Cotto - Yeah but who has Miguel beat?

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Yeah but bro,you normally get those responses from nuthhuggers not wanting Floyd to fight those guys or Floyd haters,the TRUE boxing fans,the ones that are not hanging from Floyd's testicles NOR the ones that dislike him just because he is Floyd know that is an AWESOME list and if he fought and beat those guys,he would be fighting the best. De La Hoya--legend,look at his resume. Mosley,awesome fighter and although not as good as he once was,getting back to with the Vargas showing. Hatton at 140,the world champ and destroyrd KT who everyone thought was practically unbeateable at that weight. Magarito,stlyisitc nightmare for anyone,unbeaten at WW for a long long long time and Cotto,a rising star,maybe one of the next big stars of boxing!


To be honest,3 out of those fighters would impress me,but I want to see watch a PBF knowing he won't coast to a voctory. When was the last time we watched a PBF fight and thought,yep Floyd may lot those OR it will be tough. I think for me,Corrales? JLC? CERTAINLY NOT GUYS LIKE bRUSSESL,Gatti etc etc!

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For me personally, I think he should go to 154 for a title, then he can get to the list. The only ones that make sense to me at this point are Margarito - to unify at Welter and ODLH to grab the super huge glory.

in order to cement his legacy flyod mayweather must beat kermit the frog at 154.