How 2 Dismiss 2 Champs at Once & Perfecting the Art of Mud Slinging

"How to Dismiss 2 Champions at One time & perfecting the Art of Mud Slinging."

Before I begin, let me start by saying that this article/letter may offend some of my fellow boxing enthusiasts and for that I will offer this apology: I apologize.

That being said...let's begin.

First and foremost...I am ashamed of my fellow boxing fans and I have finally crossed an invisible line in the sand regarding my distaste for what has become labled as "haters" within our sport.

Certainly I understand that their are fan-boys, rivalries, nuthuggers, and other names that define some of us that support our favorite fighters...but after this weekend...after listening to many of my forum brethrein...there's no other word for what's on my mind. Disgust.

I'm disgusted...deeply.

As promised, on Saturday November the 4th, 2006 Floyd Mayweather jr stepped into the ring with Carlos Manuel Baldomir at the Mandalay Bay Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada & handily defeated a rugged champion who had not seen a loss on his record in over 19 contests. As promised. At the end of the match three titles came together & we, as fans, made one step closer to having a unified star of the Welterweight division. Might I add...one that is worth talking about.

The fight went the distance and Baldomir gave it his best...but it just wasn't enough to his credit. The full 12 went to Floyd and it ended legitamately.

There was nothing for referee Jay Nady or the judges (Chuck Giampa 120-108 | Judge: John Keane 120-108 | Judge: Paul Smith 118-110) to be ashamed of as is the case of late with most of our title fights. This one went off with out a hitch....or did it?

At the end of the fight...the fight was all business and per the usual from Floyd Mayweather Jr: a complete shut out of magnificent proportions. The scores read two times over 120-108 and then 118-110. The stakes were high as this was a make or break fight for both men. The WBC, IBA, & IBO straps were all brought together for one grand occassion.

At the end of the night...they left unified around the waist & draped over the shoulders of the one true champion. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

This has not settled well with many of the fans.

Unfortunately...some of us have lost what the meaning of respect and on a whole...maybe even what boxing is...either that...or it's been misenterpreted along the way.

Many have complained that Floyd was "back pedaling and grabbing when he got hit."

Many are saying that Floyd was running the second half of the night. Many are saying the fight was a joke and a waste of money.

To those that say this...I ask you...do you not realize that this is slanderous to both men? Not just one...but both. This fight consisted of two men...two of whom were doing their very best to keep what they valued.

I mean, I really hate to interject that some of you might just not realize the full extent of what boxing actually is...but I'm starting to wonder. These actions, that so many of you are scrutinizing, are often referred to as strategies...& quite often...they are taught by some of the most respectable trainers in the game today. Often these tactics are noted & even acceptable by most fans. Not so with Floyd Mayweather.

The main issue is not what Floyd does or even when he does what he does. The problem with Floyd is the fact that he is Floyd. He has die hard fans and he has die hard haters. There's really no in between with Floyd Mayweather...the problem that will plauge him for the rest of his career...no matter how long ridden or short lived...is that he has more haters than he will have fans...and that is a crying shame.

I, being a fan of Floyd Mayweather, can say that he is one of the greatest fighters of my generation...but I can also admit that he is one of the most sorry arrogant human beings that I have knowledge of. Do I like Floyd? No. Would I want to hang out with or be seen with Floyd? No. Hell...I wouldn't even have a photo for keepsake snapped with Floyd.

The thing is...this is boxing. This aint personal. Does any of the above emotional strife I carry for Floyd Mayweather Jr pertain to boxing? No.

Is it justifiable to persecute Floyd for his personal life? No.

Does the fact that Floyd acts a fool in public, mistreats women, says the most ridiculous things humanly possible change the fact that he is a great boxer? No.

This isn't high school any more...this is boxing. One of the world's greatest past times & Floyd Mayweather Jr does it great justice while confined to the square circle.

Coming into this fight there were uncertainties...most revolved around Floyd moving up & facing a truely valid 147lb fighter. A fighter that was capable of devastating Floyd as he had Judah, a fellow slickster & speedster...there was also the possibility that Baldomir would devastate Floyd as he did Gatti a hard hittings gutty warrior that could take punishment.

None of this materialized in Baldomir's favor and now he has been written off as a second rate opponent who caught the right men at the right time.

Sadly but true...this has become the mentality of the debdicated boxing fan. The true pugilistic devotee. In this debdicated boxing fan's opinion...that in itself is a paradox...no...let's not be polite...that is a true sign of hypocricy. Baldomir was good enough leading up to the fight...but now...he's been demoted back to journeyman status and Floyd's performance has been poked & proded more than a corpse at a crime scene.

Floyd did what Floyd should have done...he fought a smart fight. He developed a lead. He outboxed Baldomir & he went on to win the fight by boxing from the outside...not running...but boxing. Many others have done so this year...but none have been scolded like Floyd. Floyd Mayweather...the man that rose from 130lbs to 147lbs over the span of nine years, took the titles, and dominated everyone he fought.

Floyd defeats another durable champion, overcomes the odds, takes the titles...but guess what...the "so called fans" still aren't satisfied. It's now time to write Floyd off with this performance...one that many dub as his worst to date...but prior...his worst to date was against Castillo...another durable champion and threat.

Next to satisfy the unsatisfiable "so called fans" must be a fight with Oscar or Margarito. If or when Floyd were to beat those two...Mosley would spring up next and if and when that foe fell vanquised...a laundry list of dozens more would rise.

For me...there's just a short list of three opponents.

#1: Oscar de la Hoya. Oscar, while past his prime, is still a worthy opponant and could very well be Floyd's downfall as he wishes yet again to defy the odds and conquer another weight class. This is something that I think Floyd should not do...but history and money is what makes Floyd tick. A contest between "the Golden Boy" and "the Pretty Boy" would be what most fans want to see materialize...as does Floyd, but one can bite off more than one can chew before one even knows it. Oscar would be a mouthful and I honestly don't know that Floyd has the stomach for a meal that size.

#2: Margarito. Ahhhhhhhhhhh Margarito. This one is just a silencer for me. Sure he's got a strap...but what has he proven? The man's a myth inside his bosses mind. Arum's got him so hyped up that he couldn't climb down from his perch with a twenty foot ladder. As a "champ" he's got four losses and as weak of a record as everyone screamed Baldomir had. Needless to say the Santos loss is still a sounding board for most of his detractors. While I don't think that Margarito is that great of a fighter technically...I do believe that he is a necessity for Floyd's record. As a fighter, Margarito does have the strengths to give Floyd a fight. The question will be...does have heart and fortitude to take the traditional accumulative beatings that Floyd hands out. I don't believe so...I just don't see him as the fighter to topple Floyd.

If anyone is that man...it is Oscar or Winky Wright. The latter is a whole other ball game that I don't even have the time to go in to detail over...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh fwock it...I got nothing but time.

#3: Ronald "Winky" Wright. To date...Wright is an enigma...he always has been the odd man out no matter what division he resides in. I honestly believe that Winky would cause Floyd more issues than Oscar. I give Oscar an edge on size...Winky? Skill & defense. Yes...I do believe that Wright has the skills & defense to shut Floyd down. I honestly think that Wright's jab & "shellish/hellish" guard would cut down a majority of Floyd's angles & negate his speed also. Wright has the abilities to walk Floyd down & counter him like no one else. Floyd has never faced anyone like Wright...and visa versa.

Just my opinion...right or wrong...maybe we shall see...maybe not.

Either way...I'd like to discuss it.

Sad but true...good discussions are hard to come by any more due to the constant "mud slinging"...it seems that we no longer discuss "The Art of Boxing" but more who can come up with the more witty slap.

In the past, I've been guilty of the some of the same shit that I'm complaining about...but hating on one of the better boxers of our time just for the fun of it...well...it really really makes some of us look quite ridiculous and I know that your'e better than that.

Maybe this long winded post will piss you off...maybe it won't...but one thing that I hope it will accomplish is that we all get back to the art of discussion...please people.

Really good article Wack, you wrote that? Seems like you need to start writing for some of the major sites, very good stuff and not just because I agree with it.

Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Really good article Wack, you wrote that? Seems like you need to start writing for some of the major sites, very good stuff and not just because I agree with it.

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Thanks babe. :coolclick:

Here's the thing...I wrote for...suppose I still do write for our site.

Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here.

I had intended this for the front page...but again...I just dig on getting the input from my bwoy's here. I really value a lot of people's opinions in this forum & consider many of YOU/them my friends...whether we agree or disagree...this forum's my heart babe.

No shit.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

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Heh heh heh. Agreed. Hate will be hate.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Again...it's just my thoughts & opinions...& again...agree or disagree...everyone's thoughts matter, not just mine.

I do appreciate the praise though. Thanks for the love.

You make some valid points Wacko ! However one can’t help but take some of those points you made about Mayweather’s out of the ring antics into in consideration when a fighter fights ! . There are people in life you like , and people you don’t like.. For me as a fighter and a fan, I never liked flamboyant, out spoken flashy type fighters .. I like fighters that are confident in themselves, respect their opponents and keep the ego inside, fighters that don’t write songs about how good they once were, or talk about how much money they got . . For me when a fighter talks tough guy shit like “ its going to be a war / Toe to Toe battle” happy fucking day I thought ! When that does not happen it’s a let down. To the fan that paid $49 under those pretences , and for the guys that paid $1500 under those pretenses

I picked Mayweather to win by knockout in the 10th round. I thought Mayweather would put the Gatti beat down on this guy, and was looking forward to see what would happen . Just disappointed in the fight. Wacko I think your getting way to personal about it. Mayweather is a great technician and has wonderful skills , if anyone argues that, they smoking crack,, that being said he is an easy fighter / person to not like. So I don’t understand what the mystery is all about?

:coolclick: by the way ;)

Excellent article......PBF is the definition of Boxing.....all of the great champs had a chip on their shoulder (Tyson) or an arrogant attitude (Ali)...I used to be a hater until I realized just how hard it is to box compared to brawling/fighting.....It takes far more composure, stamina and intense training.....and it is called "BOXING" for a reason....

CC in 72hrs after all I owe you after today... Damn you Making me keep up with all this... ;D

Anyway Good solid points you make and thats the bottom line.. I think its more of Floyds personality that fuels the hate, I dont mind when people draw the line there, but when they pick Floyds peformances apart because of the man he is out of the ring and not the guy in the ring, thats the problem I have.....

Like Dasammsaid I find Floyd more tolerable than most of the Divas in Prosports...Terrell Owens, Stephon Marbury,Manny Ramirez etc..

it boils down to Boxing not who is up for any humanitarian awards or Noblepeace prizes thats why we watch it,This guy like him or not is special just like Sugar Ray leonard before him Ali and before him Sugar Ray Robinson...I'm not calling Floyd great just yet and it remains to be seen but your fooling your self if you dont believe there is an empty chair beside those guys that caould very well have Floyds name on it depending on when he retires...

Floyd is clever IMO I believe Floyd is outlandish cause thats what he needs to do to market himself, just like Wacks mentioned "You either love him or hate him" so you either

1) Buy a ticket or PPV cause you love him or

2) you buy a ticket or PPV cause you hate his Fukin guts and you want to see if someone finally kicks his azz

Either way your makin the boy rich...So it works for him

Enjoy Floyd while he is with us competeing because there is no one out there that has his skills and potential and before you know it he wil be hanging them up and you'll be wishing you appreciated his peformances while he was competeing...

Again there is a potential for alot of interesting things and changed dynamics in the next month between Margarito, Hatton, Cotto how will you look at Floyd if 1-2 of those guys lose next month???

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

You make some valid points Wacko !

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Thanks babe.

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However one can’t help but take some of those points you made about Mayweather’s out of the ring antics into in consideration when a fighter fights ! . There are people in life you like , and people you don’t like.. For me as a fighter and a fan, I never liked flamboyant, out spoken flashy type fighters .. I like fighters that are confident in themselves, respect their opponents and keep the ego inside, fighters that don’t write songs about how good they once were, or talk about how much money they got .

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As I said...I am guilty of the very thing I complain over...I loathe James Tony & his mouf...but I acknowledge & respect him as a fighter when he fights within his actual division. I have no respect for the man @ 200lbs as I believe he has proven nothing.

Floyd has moved up & proven that he can beat champions that other fighters could not...ie: Gatti & Judah with Baldo.

I don't like flamboyant fighters either...I don't like fighters that think theyr'e rappers...but the thing is...they are fighters first...& I don't listen to that shit nor do I think it detracts from what I love...THE GAME.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

For me when a fighter talks tough guy S*** like “ its going to be a war / Toe to Toe battle” happy F****** day I thought ! When that does not happen it’s a let down. To the fan that paid $49 under those pretences , and for the guys that paid $1500 under those pretenses

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Floyd has always talked tough shit & he started tough but then got smart. Baldo has a hard head & has never been ko'd...after battering his head & knowing that...he boxed from the outside & did what he did to win.

Not all the fans were let down & not all fans have to have ko's...some fans like a technical tactical fight & that is what makes us all so very different as fans...& there's nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

I by picked Mayweather to win by knockout in the 10th round. I thought Mayweather would put the Gatti beat down on this guy, and was looking forward to see what would happen . Just disappointed in the fight.

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I said tough fight...& I think that he got it.

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Originally Posted by Lords Gym

Wacko I think your getting way to personal about it. Mayweather is a great technician and has wonderful skills , if anyone argues that, they smoking crack,, that being said he is an easy fighter / person to not like. So I don’t understand what the mystery is all about?

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I'm not taking it personally...really.

I just don't see how it's okay for some fans to have their fighter pull out a shitty win or a bunk decision...but it's not for Floyd.

No mystery there...it's just double sided bullshit...IWO.

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:coolclick: by the way ;)

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:coolclick: back.

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Excellent article......PBF is the definition of Boxing.....all of the great champs had a chip on their shoulder (Tyson) or an arrogant attitude (Ali)...I used to be a hater until I realized just how hard it is to box compared to brawling/fighting.....It takes far more composure, stamina and intense training.....and it is called "BOXING" for a reason....

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Agreed. Pretty much all boxers have an axe to grind...you'd have to have something going on to keep taking shot after shot after shot after shot. ;D

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

CC in 72hrs after all I owe you after today... Damn you Making me keep up with all this... ;D

Anyway Good solid points you make and thats the bottom line.. I think its more of Floyds personality that fuels the hate, I dont mind when people draw the line there, but when they pick Floyds peformances apart because of the man he is out of the ring and not the guy in the ring, thats the problem I have.....

Like Dasammsaid I find Floyd more tolerable than most of the Divas in Prosports...Terrell Owens, Stephon Marbury,Manny Ramirez etc..

it boils down to Boxing not who is up for any humanitarian awards or Noblepeace prizes thats why we watch it,This guy like him or not is special just like Sugar Ray leonard before him Ali and before him Sugar Ray Robinson...I'm not calling Floyd great just yet and it remains to be seen but your fooling your self if you dont believe there is an empty chair beside those guys that caould very well have Floyds name on it depending on when he retires...

Floyd is clever IMO I believe Floyd is outlandish cause thats what he needs to do to market himself, just like Wacks mentioned "You either love him or hate him" so you either

1) Buy a ticket or PPV cause you love him or

2) you buy a ticket or PPV cause you hate his Fukin guts and you want to see if someone finally kicks his azz

Either way your makin the boy rich...So it works for him

Enjoy Floyd while he is with us competeing because there is no one out there that has his skills and potential and before you know it he wil be hanging them up and you'll be wishing you appreciated his peformances while he was competeing...

Again there is a potential for alot of interesting things and changed dynamics in the next month between Margarito, Hatton, Cotto how will you look at Floyd if 1-2 of those guys lose next month???

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:coolclick: Good points from you too...as usual. ;)

Great technician, great boxer, great skills it's just tooo bad that what he does out of the ring & his BIG mouth over shadows such a skilled fighter....
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hey wacko, how do you feel about mosley?
How do you feel that matchup would be?
Im just curious, because after reading your post, and it making that much sense, im just wondering how you felt about them two matching up.
Cc By the way

A good article spoiled by the fact that writer either knows nothing about Margarito or just dislikes him to the point of it blinding his judgment.....

"Margarito. Ahhhhhhhhhhh Margarito. This one is just a silencer for me. Sure he's got a strap...but what has he proven? The man's a myth inside his bosses mind. Arum's got him so hyped up that he couldn't climb down from his perch with a twenty foot ladder."

Nonsense. Of course Arum hyped him and the hype was rubbish but it's got his name out there. My point is what has he proven? Well he has beaten more top 10 contenders at WW than anyone else in the division(I'm using Ring Mag) and respected writers like Doug Fischer,Steve Kim,Dan Rafael all said he was dangerous waaaaaaaaaaay before he was mentioned as a PBF opponent.


As a "champ" he's got four losses and as weak of a record as everyone screamed Baldomir had. Needless to say the Santos loss is still a sounding board for most of his detractors. While I don't think that Margarito is that great of a fighter technically...I do believe that he is a necessity for Floyd's record.

To say his record as is weak as Baldo's is ridiculous. Kermit Cintron would KTFO BALDO or at least give him a beating! and ok Baldo beat 2 names in Gatti and Judah but Margarito,like I said,has beat lots of top 10 fighters. Also,to mention his 4 losses is misleading to say the least,how old was he when he lost at 147??When was the last time he lost at the weight? And he lost to Santos at 154 in a fight which could have gone either way first and second Santos is HUGE for the weight.


As a fighter, Margarito does have the strengths to give Floyd a fight. The question will be...does have heart and fortitude to take the traditional accumulative beatings that Floyd hands out. I don't believe so...I just don't see him as the fighter to topple Floyd.

Fair enough,the writer has his opinion but I'll tell you 1 thing,it would be much more exciting and interesting than most of Floyd's last fights. I can understand if peeps don't like Tony,that's not my problem but it's when they start saying silly things that it gets annoying like he's only fought bums etc etc. When so many writers and other fighters respect someone like they do Tony(the writers I mentioned above plus Shane Mosley,James Toney etc etc_),people saying he is a bum etc etc sound stupid....

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

A good article spoiled by the fact that writer either knows nothing about Margarito or just dislikes him to the point of it blinding his judgment.....

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The writer knows quite a bit about Margarito...I just think that his fans are blinded by Arum's mouth & whether Margarito has the skills to back it up will remain to be seen. I don't dislike him...I'm just not a fan of him like you are.

I think I was pretty fair & honest with my opinions...you just don't agree with me...& that's fine...hence the discussion.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Nonsense. Of course Arum hyped him and the hype was rubbish but it's got his name out there. My point is what has he proven? Well he has beaten more top 10 contenders at WW than anyone else in the division(I'm using Ring Mag) and respected writers like Doug Fischer,Steve Kim,Dan Rafael all said he was dangerous waaaaaaaaaaay before he was mentioned as a PBF opponent.

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Okay. I still just don't think that he has the abilities to neutralize Floyd's or his speed.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

To say his record as is weak as Baldo's is ridiculous. Kermit Cintron would KTFO BALDO or at least give him a beating! and ok Baldo beat 2 names in Gatti and Judah but Margarito,like I said,has beat lots of top 10 fighters. Also,to mention his 4 losses is misleading to say the least,how old was he when he lost at 147??When was the last time he lost at the weight? And he lost to Santos at 154 in a fight which could have gone either way first and second Santos is HUGE for the weight.

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Beating Cintron over Judah pales in comparison. While I despise Judah...the kid is full of skills...he just lacks ring ethics & maturity. Sorry...but I do feel that his record is as weak as everyone screamed Baldomir's was.


I don't mean to hurt your feelings here over Margarito...but my point with this article was more to debunk the detractions leveled against Floyd...not just to slander Margarito.

If you think Marg is a much worthier Champ than Floyd...so be it...but Floyd has accomplished more & my point is that people should recognize such before raking him over red hot coals.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Fair enough,the writer has his opinion but I'll tell you 1 thing,it would be much more exciting and interesting than most of Floyd's last fights. I can understand if peeps don't like Tony,that's not my problem but it's when they start saying silly things that it gets annoying like he's only fought bums etc etc. When so many writers and other fighters respect someone like they do Tony(the writers I mentioned above plus Shane Mosley,James Toney etc etc_),people saying he is a bum etc etc sound stupid....

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I'm not saying he's a bum...I'm just saying he's not the Lord Almighty that Arum & his fans proclaim. All he's done is remain undefeated against a laundry list of opponents who were there to be hung out to dry...Baldomir did the same thing...he just got two bigger & better stars on the resume.

Let Margarito & Floyd fight...I will stand corrected & respect him if he wins...I just don't think that he will.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Great technician, great boxer, great skills it's just tooo bad that what he does out of the ring & his BIG mouth over shadows such a skilled fighter....
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Agreed. He's a skinny James Tony. Nuff said. ;D

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

hey wacko, how do you feel about mosley?
How do you feel that matchup would be?
Im just curious, because after reading your post, and it making that much sense, im just wondering how you felt about them two matching up.
Cc By the way

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In all honesty...skill for skill I think that it'd be a great match up...but a stupid one for Floyd to take.

Shane's naturally going to be too strong for Floyd & if he keeps racking up these injuries...I don't think that he'll fight too much longer. I don't dig on Shane...but I'd tip the hat to him due to the scales.

Too big...too strong...too fast.

If ever I could see Floyd running...that would be the night.

Floyd throws a shitload of punches...& theyr'e all pretty well targeted...his hands won't last much longer.

I don't mean to hurt your feelings here over Margarito...but my point with this article was more to debunk the detractions leveled against Floyd...not just to slander Margarito.

If you think Marg is a much worthier Champ than Floyd...so be it...but Floyd has accomplished more & my point is that people should recognize such before raking him over red hot coals.
Nobody hurts my feelings over a fighter....and I never said Tony was a more worthier champ than Floyd,I just said what many many fans regardless of whether they like Tony or not have said,that Tony would give Floyd a great fight at 147 and that they would buy the fight.


I'm not saying he's a bum...I'm just saying he's not the Lord Almighty that Arum & his fans proclaim. All he's done is remain undefeated against a laundry list of opponents who were there to be hung out to dry...Baldomir did the same thing...he just got two bigger & better stars on the resume.

Let Margarito & Floyd fight...I will stand corrected & respect him if he wins...I just don't think that he will.

I have not heard ANY Margarito fans say he is the lord or anything near that,they just say what they see,the most dangerous fighter at 147,which I agree with. Look, Margarito proved that he’s a welterweight to watch when he stopped then undefeated Sergio Martinez in seven rounds back in 2000 and then KO’d Antonio Diaz in 10 rounds to win the WBO title in 2002. Martinez hasn’t lost since the Margarito fight, has rung off 22 consecutive wins (beating a few notable European fighters along the way) and is now world rated at 154 pounds. Margarito gets NO respect for this victory. Diaz had ONE loss in his last THIRTY fights going into that Margarito fight, and that loss was to a prime Shane Mosley (35-0 with 32 KOs at the time). Diaz had beaten the likes of Cory Spinks, Micky Ward, Ivan Robinson, Emanuel Augustus, and a two-round blow-out of Alberto Cortes (the last guy to beat Baldomir). Margarito gets NO respect for this victory.

I think Margarito proved himself to be a worthy title holder by shutting out giant Danny Perez over 12 rounds in his first defense, and he proved that he’s the best welterweight out there by TKOing then undefeated Kermit Cintron, literally boxing the ears off of Sebastian Lujan, and blowing out Andrew Lewis, Hercules Kyvelos, and Manuel Gomez (and say what you will about “Shotgun”, but no one had ever blasted him the way Margarito did and he’s lost to far better fighters than Baldomir).(I got this from another site,I have the link,echoes my thoughts)

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Really good article Wack, you wrote that? Seems like you need to start writing for some of the major sites, very good stuff and not just because I agree with it.

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Thanks babe. :coolclick:

Here's the thing...I wrote for...suppose I still do write for our site.

Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here.

I had intended this for the front page...but again...I just dig on getting the input from my bwoy's here. I really value a lot of people's opinions in this forum & consider many of YOU/them my friends...whether we agree or disagree...this forum's my heart babe.

No shit.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

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Heh heh heh. Agreed. Hate will be hate.

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Again...it's just my thoughts & opinions...& again...agree or disagree...everyone's thoughts matter, not just mine.

I do appreciate the praise though. Thanks for the love.

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yeah its a great article mate. i enjoyed reading it. CC

LMAO,Wack,my man,did you write this????

Wacko - well done for the article.

HOWEVER,

Floyd is a happy to diss the Leonards etc of this world...

...but when we, the neutrals see right through the Mayweather sham we're the haters?

Please.

His fight with baldy was like watching paint dry - it was like an amatuer fight without the head gear, point-scoring and ducking any aggression.

Some say it was 'boxing at it's finest' - but Baldy was hardly The Raging Bull was he?

A P4P fighter, should be judged on how he fairs against other P4P ranked fighters... Floyd is number 1, yet chooses to avoid all serious threats.

We can dress up Baldy all we want and say how he hasn't been beaten for 300 years / 250 fights...

But WE ALL sure as hell know Baldy would rank behind Margarito, Cintron, Collazo, Cotto and Hatton - nobody would bet their house on him beating any of those fighters at 147. Furthermore, these guys would have beaten Gatti in quicker time than Baldimor (such is Gatti nowadays).

Ultimately, Floyd does not want to 'Fight' his way to victory - any remote outside chance of getting stiches / injuries against a fighter imeadiately rules them off Floyd's radar.

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To those that say this...I ask you...do you not realize that this is slanderous to both men? Not just one...but both.

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Not sure what to make of that. Wacko knows its not slanderous to have an opinion, he's just fucking around.

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The problem with Floyd is the fact that he is Floyd. He has die hard fans and he has die hard haters. There's really no in between with Floyd Mayweather.

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Not true, there is a massive grey area and thats the problem. Not alot of people give a fuck about Mayweather which leads him to adopt these roles of bully, bigmouth etc etc in order to force a reaction. There isnt one.

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Mayweather said he was going to do this and do that, have him waving the white flag and all the rest of it. In the end it didnt materialise so he should expect to be called on it. Add to that his inability to control his lip afterwards and I see it as no surprise that he is getting it out of both barrels and from all directions.

Just to add. Without fail Ricky Hatton is subjected to written taunts about his weight between fights. It happens every time without fail. Im not just talking about "nuthuggers" and "fanboys" on boxing forums but big time boxing publications. we all know that he is going to rack on a few pounds and we all know that it wont stop him making weight, yet it still continues. As a Hatton fan should I be disgusted that this goes on? should I call into question the knowledge of anyone that chips in with their own cheap shot? Of course not. Its the topic of the day and rest assured, a few weeks after the Urango fight it will all start up again.

Chin up Wacko, its the way it goes ;)

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To those that say this...I ask you...do you not realize that this is slanderous to both men? Not just one...but both.

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Not sure what to make of that. Wacko knows its not slanderous to have an opinion, he's just fucking around.

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The problem with Floyd is the fact that he is Floyd. He has die hard fans and he has die hard haters. There's really no in between with Floyd Mayweather.

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Not true, there is a massive grey area and thats the problem. Not alot of people give a fuck about Mayweather which leads him to adopt these roles of bully, bigmouth etc etc in order to force a reaction. There isnt one.

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Mayweather said he was going to do this and do that, have him waving the white flag and all the rest of it. In the end it didnt materialise so he should expect to be called on it. Add to that his inability to control his lip afterwards and I see it as no surprise that he is getting it out of both barrels and from all directions.

Just to add. Without fail Ricky Hatton is subjected to written taunts about his weight between fights. It happens every time without fail. Im not just talking about "nuthuggers" and "fanboys" on boxing forums but big time boxing publications. we all know that he is going to rack on a few pounds and we all know that it wont stop him making weight, yet it still continues. As a Hatton fan should I be disgusted that this goes on? should I call into question the knowledge of anyone that chips in with their own cheap shot? Of course not. Its the topic of the day and rest assured, a few weeks after the Urango fight it will all start up again.

Chin up Wacko, its the way it goes ;)

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To those that say this...I ask you...do you not realize that this is slanderous to both men? Not just one...but both.

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Not sure what to make of that. Wacko knows its not slanderous to have an opinion, he's just F****** around.

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The problem with Floyd is the fact that he is Floyd. He has die hard fans and he has die hard haters. There's really no in between with Floyd Mayweather.

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Not true, there is a massive grey area and thats the problem. Not alot of people give a F*** about Mayweather which leads him to adopt these roles of bully, bigmouth etc etc in order to force a reaction. There isnt one.

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Mayweather said he was going to do this and do that, have him waving the white flag and all the rest of it. In the end it didnt materialise so he should expect to be called on it. Add to that his inability to control his lip afterwards and I see it as no surprise that he is getting it out of both barrels and from all directions.

Just to add. Without fail Ricky Hatton is subjected to written taunts about his weight between fights. It happens every time without fail. Im not just talking about "fans" and "fanboys" on boxing forums but big time boxing publications. we all know that he is going to rack on a few pounds and we all know that it wont stop him making weight, yet it still continues. As a Hatton fan should I be disgusted that this goes on? should I call into question the knowledge of anyone that chips in with their own cheap shot? Of course not. Its the topic of the day and rest assured, a few weeks after the Urango fight it will all start up again.

Chin up Wacko, its the way it goes ;)

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Ok just about every fighter when asked of the outcome will say: I'm gonna KO his azz and beat him senseless and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

I think your missing the point Memphis...Its not about the man out of the ring, its the man in the ring Floyd put on an absolute clinic on Saturday thr about 468 punches and landed over half of them, did so with a hurt hand, all the while his opponent thru 600 some odd punches and landed only 13%....That is the defenition of any Martial Art including Boxing...The name of the game is to hit with being hit as little as possible...Wacks is trying to bring that 2 light...You cant with a right mind shoot holes in a virtuoso peformance cause you dont like the guy...Thats consisdered hate...If Floyds an azz than he's an azz but that has nothing to do with his in ring Prowess...BOTTOM LINE!!!!

If he barely scraped out a win against Baldi and got a controversial desicion, you bet your azz I would be all over my Boyz peformance and be probably be leading the charge, As a Fan I have high expectation for my fighters ...The fact is he pitched a shutout and people complain ???

Its not right

As Far as Hattons scrutiny about his weight well I agree your gonna take your lumps as a fan of a fighter but its mind boggling when its apparent thats its 100% pure unmitigated ignorant hatred

Im not missing the point at all. Like I said, I could care less, I dont have a comment on his performance other than I really wish I didnt have to wait up until 5 a.m to watch it. Mayweather soundly beat his man. Well done, but dont people have the right to ask "what happened to the stoppage?" "why such a wanker afterwards?"

Are these questions not aloud?

I haven't, nor will I attempt to wade through all of the posts and articles regarding Mayweathers perormance. But Im pretty confident the bottem line in all of them is, I expected more. I dont see anything wrong with that.

We all knew to begin with that Floyd could box circles around Baldo. But didnt he offer us something more? I dont think anyone was expecting him to go tearing into Baldo like Calzaghe tried to do to Bika, but something in between would have been nice no?

If this makes me a hater so be it. But I and anyone else who wants to has the right to have a say.

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Im not missing the point at all. Like I said, I could care less, I dont have a comment on his performance other than I really wish I didnt have to wait up until 5 a.m to watch it. Mayweather soundly beat his man. Well done, but dont people have the right to ask "what happened to the stoppage?" "why such a wanker afterwards?"

Are these questions not aloud?

I haven't, nor will I attempt to wade through all of the posts and articles regarding Mayweathers perormance. But Im pretty confident the bottem line in all of them is, I expected more. I dont see anything wrong with that.

We all knew to begin with that Floyd could box circles around Baldo. But didnt he offer us something more? I dont think anyone was expecting him to go tearing into Baldo like Calzaghe tried to do to Bika, but something in between would have been nice no?

If this makes me a hater so be it. But I and anyone else who wants to has the right to have a say.

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You are certainly entitled to yours but as I am sure you defend your boys I do the same...But I like you like to do so with intelligence and matureity so as to have something constructive to talk about...

I enjoy these conversations more than looking at cheesy clipart and wide spread anti-anyfighter propaganda

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Mayweather said he was going to do this and do that, have him waving the white flag and all the rest of it. In the end it didnt materialise so he should expect to be called on it. Add to that his inability to control his lip afterwards and I see it as no surprise that he is getting it out of both barrels and from all directions.

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Agreed...but so did Hopkins, Hatton, Calzaghe, Lacy, & a handful of other men when regarding their up & coming opponents.

I just have a large issue with everyone bringing Floyd's entire career into the firing line over one fight.

Know what I mean?

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Really good article Wack, you wrote that? Seems like you need to start writing for some of the major sites, very good stuff and not just because I agree with it.

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Thanks babe. :coolclick:

Here's the thing...I wrote for...suppose I still do write for our site.

Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here.

I had intended this for the front page...but again...I just dig on getting the input from my bwoy's here. I really value a lot of people's opinions in this forum & consider many of YOU/them my friends...whether we agree or disagree...this forum's my heart babe.

No S***.

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Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

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Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Again...it's just my thoughts & opinions...& again...agree or disagree...everyone's thoughts matter, not just mine.

I do appreciate the praise though. Thanks for the love.

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Good article anyway ;)....CC in 24

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Thanks babe. :coolclick:

Here's the thing...I wrote for...suppose I still do write for our site.

Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here.

I had intended this for the front page...but again...I just dig on getting the input from my bwoy's here. I really value a lot of people's opinions in this forum & consider many of YOU/them my friends...whether we agree or disagree...this forum's my heart babe.

No S***.

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Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

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Heh heh heh. Agreed. Hate will be hate.

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Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Again...it's just my thoughts & opinions...& again...agree or disagree...everyone's thoughts matter, not just mine.

I do appreciate the praise though. Thanks for the love.

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I took the Assistant Editors job to impress chicks :boobies: :fking: ;D ;D








Good article anyway ;)....CC in 24

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"Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here."

Now why on earth did you have to take the glory hound side of that & base it on US.

I'm talking about other sites & such...I just like getting the stuff out here because we all talk & sort it out...didn't mean you were being a glory hound...nor any of our bwoys...

I just like getting it out here...for US to discuss.

Know what I mean.

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Thanks babe. :coolclick:

Here's the thing...I wrote for...suppose I still do write for our site.

Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here.

I had intended this for the front page...but again...I just dig on getting the input from my bwoy's here. I really value a lot of people's opinions in this forum & consider many of YOU/them my friends...whether we agree or disagree...this forum's my heart babe.

No S***.

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Personally, If Floyd turned water into wine the night he fought baldomor certain people would've still found a way to make negative of it. While it wasn't the most "exciting" fight, it was a incredible showcase of Floyd's amazing skill.

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Personally, I find floyd's personality much easier to tolerate than some other top athletes, like all of T.O's antics of past years. I really don't have much to add here because I agree with everything you said and you know a hell of a lot more about it than me, but figured this deserved a bump so others could see it. CC in 24

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Again...it's just my thoughts & opinions...& again...agree or disagree...everyone's thoughts matter, not just mine.

I do appreciate the praise though. Thanks for the love.

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I took the Assistant Editors job to impress chicks :boobies: :fking: ;D ;D








Good article anyway ;)....CC in 24

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"Problem is...I like writing for US. The forum. I like putting my stuff here...for us. It's just more personal for me to do so here...I aint that big of a glory hound...& honestly...I think that it's more productive here."

Now why on earth did you have to take the glory hound side of that & base it on US.

I'm talking about other sites & such...I just like getting the stuff out here because we all talk & sort it out...didn't mean you were being a glory hound...nor any of our bwoys...

I just like getting it out here...for US to discuss.

Know what I mean.

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AWWW I never took it that way Wacko just messin with ya.....

Actually I know what you mean exactly when you say you just like to write for the forum to debate over.....

I have known some of the guys you speak of when you say glory hounds....I also know of writers who believe that because they are writers they are never wrong...Or their opinions are the only ones that count....Annoying little F'Wokers they can be....

I must admit I do to some extent like seeing my name up in print but mainly due to the fact I work hard on most my stories and that is my sastisfaction

Favorite part of being a writer...Promoters...Managers and trainers..

These guys gossip like old women....I wish I could repeat half the stuff they tell me about fighters they once did business with....They love nothing more than to sling mud at a guy they USED to work with....Better than reality TV

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AWWW I never took it that way Wacko just messin with ya.....

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Hoped so. I know how "thenthitive thome people can be." ;) ;D

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Yep...it seems to get more play here...& honestly...when I say that I'm just writing for the forum & my bwoy's...I am...& I'm also writing for me too.

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I have known some of the guys you speak of when you say glory hounds....I also know of writers who believe that because they are writers they are never wrong...Or their opinions are the only ones that count....Annoying little F'Wokers they can be....

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Trust me babe...I hope that I don't come off as someone who doesn't think that they are never wrong...I'm wrong all the time by my own admission.

As "fanny" as to my favorites...I do try to be unbiased...it's just a bit hard. ;D

I said "fanny".

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I can live with it...or without it...but I see where your'e coming from. ;D

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These guys gossip like old women....I wish I could repeat half the stuff they tell me about fighters they once did business with....They love nothing more than to sling mud at a guy they USED to work with....Better than reality TV

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Agreed there.

:coolclick: for sorting my ass out. ;D

CC WACk,I thought it was written by a professional from another site,I looked for a link but there was not one!! Good man,great work!!!

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Im not missing the point at all. Like I said, I could care less, I dont have a comment on his performance other than I really wish I didnt have to wait up until 5 a.m to watch it. Mayweather soundly beat his man. Well done, but dont people have the right to ask "what happened to the stoppage?" "why such a wanker afterwards?"

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I do want to say this...people do have a right to question what happened to the stoppage...but they really go above & beyond to scrutinize this one...more so than they did with Hatton Collazo or Pac Marquez.

Surely you see that. People are ultra critical of Floyd...maybe it's because of his mouth...but regardless...the man in the ring & the man out are two different things.

Why such a wanker afterwards? Probably he could hear Merchant's mouth whilst throwing punches?

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Yes...they are aloud...just as answers & defenses to them.

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I haven't, nor will I attempt to wade through all of the posts and articles regarding Mayweathers perormance. But Im pretty confident the bottem line in all of them is, I expected more. I dont see anything wrong with that.

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Agreed...but some of the comments are blatantly stupid.

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We all knew to begin with that Floyd could box circles around Baldo. But didnt he offer us something more? I dont think anyone was expecting him to go tearing into Baldo like Calzaghe tried to do to Bika, but something in between would have been nice no?

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Agreed...but it is what it is.

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If this makes me a hater so be it. But I and anyone else who wants to has the right to have a say.

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It doesn't make you a hater...& most of us know that.

Coming off as a hater is how one approaches the subject...with blatant stupidity...of which you have never been accused of. ;)

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CC WACk,I thought it was written by a professional from another site,I looked for a link but there was not one!! Good man,great work!!!

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:coolclick: right back.

Came in like Russel Crowe

And then fought like Sheryl Crowe.

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A good article spoiled by the fact that writer either knows nothing about Margarito or just dislikes him to the point of it blinding his judgment.....

"Margarito. Ahhhhhhhhhhh Margarito. This one is just a silencer for me. Sure he's got a strap...but what has he proven? The man's a myth inside his bosses mind. Arum's got him so hyped up that he couldn't climb down from his perch with a twenty foot ladder."

Nonsense. Of course Arum hyped him and the hype was rubbish but it's got his name out there. My point is what has he proven? Well he has beaten more top 10 contenders at WW than anyone else in the division(I'm using Ring Mag) and respected writers like Doug Fischer,Steve Kim,Dan Rafael all said he was dangerous waaaaaaaaaaay before he was mentioned as a PBF opponent.


As a "champ" he's got four losses and as weak of a record as everyone screamed Baldomir had. Needless to say the Santos loss is still a sounding board for most of his detractors. While I don't think that Margarito is that great of a fighter technically...I do believe that he is a necessity for Floyd's record.

To say his record as is weak as Baldo's is ridiculous. Kermit Cintron would KTFO BALDO or at least give him a beating! and ok Baldo beat 2 names in Gatti and Judah but Margarito,like I said,has beat lots of top 10 fighters. Also,to mention his 4 losses is misleading to say the least,how old was he when he lost at 147??When was the last time he lost at the weight? And he lost to Santos at 154 in a fight which could have gone either way first and second Santos is HUGE for the weight.


As a fighter, Margarito does have the strengths to give Floyd a fight. The question will be...does have heart and fortitude to take the traditional accumulative beatings that Floyd hands out. I don't believe so...I just don't see him as the fighter to topple Floyd.

Fair enough,the writer has his opinion but I'll tell you 1 thing,it would be much more exciting and interesting than most of Floyd's last fights. I can understand if peeps don't like Tony,that's not my problem but it's when they start saying silly things that it gets annoying like he's only fought bums etc etc. When so many writers and other fighters respect someone like they do Tony(the writers I mentioned above plus Shane Mosley,James Toney etc etc_),people saying he is a bum etc etc sound stupid....

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Gamo, gamo, gamo.. You said so many things here that made me cringe.. I just can't see where your coming from.. Cintron would KTFO Baldo, in your mind?? what a pile of shit.. Baldomir beat Gatti and Judah, guys that are FAR better than anyone Margarito or Cintron have ever been in the ring with. You can speculate all you like but to say it as if it's some clear fact or common opinion is bullshit. Cintron hasn't proven much. And then you go on about Margarito beating top 10 fighters??? PLEASE. He's never fought anyone deserving of a top 10 spot, whether for whatever reason somebody he faced was top 10 is another story, but certainly noone he's fought was really a TRUE contender at welterweight. How can you not see that Margarito's record is no better than Baldomir's?? Baldo hadn't lost in 19 fights, he was the undisputed champion, with wins over Judah, Clottey, and Gatti.. Margarito has the WBO strap which he didn't even beat a champ for, and has defended against nobody's with the exception of a shot Antonio Diaz and Kermit Cintron, who are the only opponents of his I could possibly see being in the top 10.. Maybe six heads was too, but either way anyone knows those guys weren't shat. By the way, Wacko wrote this article.. And I think he knows enough about Margarito and boxing in general..

P4P king,I a;ready know Wacko wrote the article and cc'ed him for it. I did write a whole rant here yesterday but it would just be re treading over old ground so I decided to be the bigger man and remove it. ;D 8) I can't be bothered to keep going over same old ground,I just hope Margarito's fists do the talking for me. :laugh:

Good writing.

I used to be good at writing a long time ago...

Use it or lose it.