Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

Marvin Hagler's chin held up to the punches of Tommy Hearns and John Mugabi. How would it hold up to a guy like Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn?

I think Marvelous could take punches from ANY middleweight and I think he could trade with the best of them.

Hagler would have wrecked Benn and Jackson....and McClellan and anyone else!

Guys like RJJ or Toney might be able to hang with him simply because they could run or use defense but Hagler could crack!

I can see Jackson stunning Hagler and maybe, maybe dropping him. But I can't see him winning. Much less for Benn

Hagler goes down as one of the GOAT's.

I don't know of anyone that I rate high enough to stop Hagler...NO ONE.

....he could be outboxed, but stopped??? I doubt it

Thet probably would not be able to hit him to find out.Hagler had skill plus Mugabi hit harder than the pair of them. I remember Micky Duff having a big bet on Mugabi to beat Hagler and Micky at the time was a good judge of a fighting man

The punches he took from Hearns and Mugabi who at the time Mugabi was undefeated and hit like an F'N Heavyweight...I think he was 26-0 with 26 ko's when he fought Hagler....Showed the chin of Marvin.....I mean Mugabi caught him HARD!!!! for the first 6 rds of that fight. If neither one of those two could KO Marvin...I can't think of anyone out there I have ever seen who could...Including a prime Toney or Jones..

To this day IMO Hagler ruined John Mugabi as a fighter...Destroyed his confidence

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Thet probably would not be able to hit him to find out.Hagler had skill plus Mugabi hit harder than the pair of them. I remember Micky Duff having a big bet on Mugabi to beat Hagler and Micky at the time was a good judge of a fighting man

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At middleweight no one hit harder than Julian Jackson and that includes Mugabi

.....not even Tommy Hearns? Gerald McClellan? or even Roy Jones Jr?

I dont think so

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I can see Jackson stunning Hagler and maybe, maybe dropping him. But I can't see him winning. Much less for Benn

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I think Gerald Mcclellan would have a good shot a putting hagler on his shield...Marvelous was an animal but Gerald was PFP one of the strongest punchers ever he had a sledgehammer in both hands.....Not to mention he had deceptive hand speed when he had to...Again its all about matchups and Hagler is standing in front of him and not moving and vice versa so its a shoot out we know Marvins got a chin and so does Gerald...After Benns repeated BAck of the head punches and head butt to the orbital Gerald finally went down after he was literally beaten almost to death so he is a tough mofo.....

I think the factor is Gerald gets hit to much I wont be popular for this but this is a pickem for me

Hagler-Wright would be the toughest fight for him I think....Winky just has such a tight defense.....it's hard to believe he got rocked so many times by Julio Cesar Vasquez




Don't want to be an ass but it's the OCCIPITAL LOBE and BRAIN STEM that are affected by rabbit punches

If Tommy Hearns or John Mugabi could not knock him down or out no one could . Hearns and Mugabi didn't just hit Marvin, they both hit him clean and with Hearns he was rocked but he kept going and with Mugabi he barely reacted. I saw the Hearns fight and said wow Marvin can take a punch, and then he fought Mugabi and I thought. So this is no joke. The man's chin is incredible. Two of the hardest punchers in history and he doesn't react. both Hearns and Mugabi said after that Marvin had an incredibly hard head. Julian had a different kind of power.. He had leverage with his whole body.. Hearns hit with speed and back to front power,,, Julian hit with side to side hook power.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Hagler-Wright would be the toughest fight for him I think....Winky just has such a tight defense.....it's hard to believe he got rocked so many times by Julio Cesar Vasquez




Don't want to be an a** but it's the OCCIPITAL LOBE and BRAIN STEM that are affected by rabbit punches

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Thank you Dr Lyle, you could of PM'd me and let me know that instead of calling me out in front of the masses ::**...Then again I am a exibitionist... ;D That head butt Gerald took to his right Orbital has been well documented and for whatever reason added to the already fast declining state of trauma he was suffering from countless fouls and Brutal exchanges ;)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.....not even Tommy Hearns? Gerald McClellan? or even Roy Jones Jr?

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No.

I tend to agree. Julian punched in someways harder than Mugabi. He seemed to have the punching ability to knock out whoever he hit clean. Remember Buster Drayton? Herol Graham? Terry Norris? Now those guys are not Marvelous Marvin, but it would be interesting to see Julian's punch uncorked on Marvin's chin. It would have been hard to see Marvin Hagler go down like a pole and Julian doing that hand gesture as he was falling, but who knows. Julian was a guy who would hit guys and they wouldn't seem to react. Like he was sort of hitting soft soft soft, and then he would save his knockout punch for the end.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.....not even Tommy Hearns? Gerald McClellan? or even Roy Jones Jr?

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No.

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I dont know about that Bro :-\ ....Ask Julian How hard Gerald hit??? Gerald took Julians power but Julian Couldnt even deter Gerald...

Mcclellan Knocked Jackson the Fuk out twice without even Blinking...

Julian was all but washed up by the time he fought Gerald. By the way, Congratulations for Julian being inducted into the Hall of Fame in Los Angeles a month ago. Gerald was a hard puncher ,but Julian was a guy who literally poleaxed a guy. Is that the right word? What exactly is poleaxed? I have heard that word and it seems to describe Julian's punching.

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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

Marvin Hagler's chin held up to the punches of Tommy Hearns and John Mugabi. How would it hold up to a guy like Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn?

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his chin was unbreakable!!! I think Hagler had one of the best chins in boxing!!!

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Lyle

.....not even Tommy Hearns? Gerald McClellan? or even Roy Jones Jr?

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No.

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I dont know about that Bro :-\ ....Ask Julian How hard Gerald hit??? Gerald took Julians power but Julian Couldnt even deter Gerald...

Mcclellan Knocked Jackson the Fuk out twice without even Blinking...

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Jackson didn't have much of a chin, surely none like Haglers. Its a repeat of the Mugabi fight?

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Originally Posted by EverlastReyes

Julian was all but washed up by the time he fought Gerald. By the way, Congratulations for Julian being inducted into the Hall of Fame in Los Angeles a month ago. Gerald was a hard puncher ,but Julian was a guy who literally poleaxed a guy. Is that the right word? What exactly is poleaxed? I have heard that word and it seems to describe Julian's punching.

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Yes congrats to him he was a fine warrior...Power is the last thing to go...Again if anything I would feel comfortable saying they punched almost the same both could end fight at any moment whether it was the 1st minute of roudn 1 or the last minute of round 12.. but I wouldnt give Julian the nod Over Gerald...McClellan was a freak of nature plain and simple

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Originally Posted by EverlastReyes

Julian was all but washed up by the time he fought Gerald. By the way, Congratulations for Julian being inducted into the Hall of Fame in Los Angeles a month ago. Gerald was a hard puncher ,but Julian was a guy who literally poleaxed a guy. Is that the right word? What exactly is poleaxed? I have heard that word and it seems to describe Julian's punching.

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Yes congrats to him he was a fine warrior...Power is the last thing to go...Again if anything I would feel comfortable saying they punched almost the same both could end fight at any moment whether it was the 1st minute of roudn 1 or the last minute of round 12.. but I wouldnt give Julian the nod Over Gerald...McClellan was a freak of nature plain and simple

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G-MAN was a Badddddd man!!!! I think Jackson was a really good but not great fighter.....G-MAN was great..cut down in his prime.....and his chin was better than Jackson's.....

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Originally Posted by EverlastReyes

Julian was all but washed up by the time he fought Gerald. By the way, Congratulations for Julian being inducted into the Hall of Fame in Los Angeles a month ago. Gerald was a hard puncher ,but Julian was a guy who literally poleaxed a guy. Is that the right word? What exactly is poleaxed? I have heard that word and it seems to describe Julian's punching.

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Very well said. I've always liked G-man but nobody hit harder at 160 than Jackson

Julian was a scary puncher. And there are not that many of those. Mugabi was one and so was Julian. Herol Graham was winning the fight and the bomb just took him out cold. And it was not a left or a right for Julian. Either punch would knock a guy out.

Hagler had one of the best chins of all time in any weight division.

I don't think he was ever truly stunned in his career and I can't see Jackson or Benn getting past his underrated defense, never mind stopping or dropping him.

I also think that there's a great deal of revisionism going on about Gerald McClellan. It is sad what happened to the guy, but let's not lose sight of the fact that he did not fight anybody remotely good until Benn (Jackson was never anything more than a big right), it is not that hard to rack up impressive KOs against tomato cans. Yes, he was a good fighter ...... but great - I don't think so.

He was also an unpleasant guy full of bravado, continually calling people out and glorifying in his reputation as a violent, dog-fighing thug who would go to war with anyone who looked at him wrongly.

He picked the wrong guy in Benn, who showed him what a 'tear-up' is really about.

I am definitely not saying he deserved what he got, and I was at that fight. But we need not create some kind of martyred saviour and mourn the loss of one of the greatest fighters of all time ..... because Gerald was neither (IMO).

DId anyone ever knock down Hagler?

Who knows?

Hagler never fought anybody who could hit as hard as Benn, or Jackson for that matter. He hasn't fought a KO artist like Jackson, either, who even surpasses Hearns in that department.

Benn's the hardest-hitting middleweight ever, as well as the most ferocious fighter ever, and had more snap in his punches than the Sibson's and Mugabi's and threw shots from more angles.. Hagler himself said Benn would be his toughest fight if he hadn't retired!


Benn and Hagler would of been fun while it lasted, but Benn's shaky chin would of let him down.

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Originally Posted by Poom

DId anyone ever knock down Hagler?

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Yeah, Roldan, but I think it was more of a flash knockdown if I remember.

Chris Eubank has the best chin I've ever seen.

Watch Tony Thornton's right hand KO almost all his victims and give him recognition in The Ring in 1987 as the 'next big thing' due to his right hand punch, then watch him land that punch on Eubank and see how Eubank just shrugs it off.. it would of KO'd any other middleweight or super-middleweight in the world. Then watch Joe Calzaghe's left hook KO almost all his victims, amateur and pro, and see Eubank up at the count of one or two with a big grin on his face. Thornton and Calzaghe would land KO punches onto Eubank later in the fight too, violently snapping Eubank's head back only for Eubank to keep shrugging off the effects. Forget about Benn's and Thompson's best bombs.

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Who knows?

Hagler never fought anybody who could hit as hard as Benn, or even Jackson. He hasn't fought a KO artist like Jackson either, he even surpasses Hearns in that department.

Benn's the hardest-hitting middleweight ever, as well as the most ferocious fighter ever, and had more snap in his punches than the Sibson's and Mugabi's and threw shots from more angles.. Hagler himself said Benn would be his toughest fight if he hadn't retired!


Benn and Hagler would of been great while it lasted, but Benn's shaky chin would of let him down.

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benn didnt hit as hard as hearns or jackson or gerald and eubank didnt have best chin hagler did and that punch calzaghe landed was more of eubank moving backwards not real devastating blow

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Who knows?

Hagler never fought anybody who could hit as hard as Benn, or even Jackson. He hasn't fought a KO artist like Jackson either, he even surpasses Hearns in that department.

Benn's the hardest-hitting middleweight ever, as well as the most ferocious fighter ever, and had more snap in his punches than the Sibson's and Mugabi's and threw shots from more angles.. Hagler himself said Benn would be his toughest fight if he hadn't retired!


Benn and Hagler would of been great while it lasted, but Benn's shaky chin would of let him down.

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benn didnt hit as hard as hearns or jackson or gerald

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Benn hit harder than all of them at 160, there's no question about that. Just watch him! Lol.

Hearns and Jackson were better KO artists, not harder punchers.

McClellan had very heavy hands.

When Benn was a middle weight he was an all out slugger.Fighting like this would make it an easy nights work for Hagler.

Hagler could box or slug,ether way he would win.

Benn was 1 of the best British fighters of all time,Hagler is one of the worlds greatest of all time.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

When Benn was a middle weight he was an all out slugger.Fighting like this would make it an easy nights work for Hagler.

Hagler could box or slug,ether way he would win.

Benn was 1 of the best British fighters of all time,Hagler is one of the worlds greatest of all time.

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Nobody in their right mind would suggest Benn in his prime, of all people, is an easy nights work for ANYBODY.

That's ludicrous.

i think if hagler stood up to the likes of john mugabi who was a murderous one punch hitter then i think he would stand up to the likes of jackson and benns hitting. benn at middleweight though would have been a great fight with hagler winning on a late stoppage

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Originally Posted by WWatt

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Originally Posted by porkypara

When Benn was a middle weight he was an all out slugger.Fighting like this would make it an easy nights work for Hagler.

Hagler could box or slug,ether way he would win.

Benn was 1 of the best British fighters of all time,Hagler is one of the worlds greatest of all time.

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Nobody in their right mind would suggest Benn in his prime, of all people, is an easy nights work for ANYBODY.

That's ludicrous.

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In boxing terms it would be an easy nights work.

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Nobody in their right mind would suggest Benn in his prime, of all people, is an easy nights work for ANYBODY.

That's ludicrous.

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Tommy Hearns at 154 or at 160 or at 168....he boxed well, he had good straight punches and he cracked.

Marvin Hagler at 160 better chin, threw more punches, and accumulated power punching....he didn't have the 1 punch power but 4-5-6 shots would hurt someone

but honestly James Toney would EAT NIGEL BENN ALIVE......(literally and figuratively) Benn throws a bit too wide and Toney would have blasted him especially at 168.

....oh Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson would have fun whippin Benn too


I think RJJ would have beat him too but I'll leave that alone since you Brits get all up in arms when someone says RJJ would beat: Eubank, Benn, Calzaghe......Ricky Hatton.......Alan Minter.......Tony Blair etc

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;D

Idiots.

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