Well NOW WHAT!

Wladimir Klitschko won, Calvin Brock lost....where do we go from here?


First Calvin Brock...GREAT job(after falling down from nervousness) I don't know of a fight I WOULDN'T want to see him in right now...time to strike while the iron is hot!!!!

LOOK FOR:
#1 TITLE SHOT...yes he lost BUT he showed well and you never know who would like to make beating Brock look easier for them than it was for Wlad.

Valuev is out of the question, Cal is waaaaay too tough for him
Oleg Maskaev is the best option, he's old, he's tough, PERFECT
Shannon Briggs .....he wants NOTHING to do with Calvin

#2 CONTENDERS that's Calvin he's the man right now, he just finished with a title shot now it's time to get another one!

The open contenders are as follows: Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Sergei Lyakhovich

#3 The UNDEFEATED/Upper Journeymen: Take your time but make progress in the rankings at the same time

Undefeated
Alexander Dimitrenko...BIG Ukrainian....not a Klitschko, PERFECT!
Eddie Chambers...not a lot of power, quick, slick...decent choice
Malik Scott NO POWER, big, tall, boring...come back with a bang NEXT

The Journeymen
Luan Krasniqi old, slow, typical Euro fighter
Sinan Samil Sam same as above and fatter
Danny Williams big and fat and somewhat powerful...gives you the option to do anything, outbox or brawl!
Kirk Johnson same as above except MORE fat
Davaryl Williamson...TOS gave Wlad a tough time too...he is respected and has power...KO him and you're in HIGH DEMAND
Domonick Guinn he's lazy, you can tee off on him...AWESOME CHOICE
Audley Harrison he's scared you can be THE FIRST to stop him!!!


Now Wladimir Klitschko, you didn't look your best but you still dropped a hammer on Calvin!

#1 TITLES TITLES TITLES

Valuev the one fighter absolutely MADE TO ORDER for Wlad...yes he's bigger but goddamn he's open for a right hand and he's faaaaaaar easier to hit than Brock

Maskaev he talked shit about your bro.....you remember the last guy you fought who bragged about beating your brother???? Yeah you fucking wrecked his ass TWICE!!!

Shannon Briggs, he just won ONE fight vs a top tier guy and hell righ tnow everyone is guessing if Sergei was top tier to begin with!!! let him defend his title

#2 Mandatory...only to keep the title

Ray Austin...big, easy to outbox, easier to hit, and perhaps even EASIER to drop!!!

#3 LAMON BREWSTER...AVENGE YOUR LOSS!!!!

#4 Well undefeated works well for you so the same as Calvin's unbeaten list





What do you think?????

klit is a damn beast. i might finally be converting to klitskoism

HELL YEAH BOY!

I've told you for all these years bro! I'm glad to see you coming around.

I think the 1 evil person keeping other titles from Wlad is DON KING....if Wlad was a DKP fighter he'd be the unified champ by now.

What did you think of Brock big guy?




And when is your next fight!

I'd like to see Brock against Sergei Lyakhovich. But it may just be the ibragimov fight with a little more action.

But it may be the Brewster fight with less power

In the end...I think I have seen what I feel is the light.

I don't have that much faith in Brock anymore...not just based on the loss to Wlad...but more so on the struggles that he's had to just be more than average against lesser fighters.

Throw him in against Valuev & watch him turn into a gotdam bean for the giant's stalk. ;D

Overall it was a good performance by Wladdy.....


I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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Step backwards for the division.

Unification is a necessity.

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I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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Step backwards for the division.

Unification is a necessity.

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Shet!! just remembered that their fight is an Eliminator..... ::**

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I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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Step backwards for the division.

Unification is a necessity.

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Unification is overrated. As soon as the belts get unified they will be splintered up again. Based on his wins over Peter and now Brock I think Wlad is and should be considered the true Heavyweight champion

Funny thing about those Klitschkos...Wlad was always considered the better of the two....Til he lost to Sanders....

Vitaly fights Lewis Impresses the hell out of us all....Becomes heir apparent.....

Becomes champ after Lennox leaves...Shows he is dominate....No one questioned his ability to rule...Decent boxer..Great Power...Great Chin and he was improving every fight especially with stewerd...Injurys force him out....

In mean time Wlad loses again by KO this time to Brewster.....Everyone pretty much wrote him off....Then resurects himself...Gets Stewerd in his corner...Shows in Peters fight just because he is hurt he is not out unlike his previous KO losses.....Beats Bird for IBF title....All of a sudden he is HW boxings number one man....

Hey truth is these Two brothers have been great for the sport...

Educated ( both have PHD's)

Polite--

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Dont look like Pugs----

They break the stereo Type.....The sport needs more like them...Also guys like Brock another guy who fits the same image as the klitschkos....Maybe we would get more into the mainstream...Like in the old days when the HW Title was THE MOST IMPORTANT TITLE IN ALL OF SPORTS!!!!

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I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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Step backwards for the division.

Unification is a necessity.

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Unification is overrated. As soon as the belts get unified they will be splintered up again. Based on his wins over Peter and now Brock I think Wlad is and should be considered the true Heavyweight champion

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Hence the reason that unification is a necessity.

How would it be overratted if the man that you consider to be the true champ is going to make it closer by fighting all the other champs?

Don't just disagree to disagree...have some fluff to stuff that pillow with before you bite it. ;) :-X

He's gonna continue to llok good as long as he stays away from Peter. Believe me, he knows Wlad got away with murder and he wants no part of a rematch.

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Funny thing about those Klitschkos...Wlad was always considered the better of the two....Til he lost to Sanders....

Vitaly fights Lewis Impresses the hell out of us all....Becomes heir apparent.....

Becomes champ after Lennox leaves...Shows he is dominate....No one questioned his ability to rule...Decent boxer..Great Power...Great Chin and he was improving every fight especially with stewerd...Injurys force him out....

In mean time Wlad loses again by KO this time to Brewster.....Everyone pretty much wrote him off....Then resurects himself...Gets Stewerd in his corner...Shows in Peters fight just because he is hurt he is not out unlike his previous KO losses.....Beats Bird for IBF title....All of a sudden he is HW boxings number one man....

Hey truth is these Two brothers have been great for the sport...

Educated ( both have PHD's)

Polite--

Well Spoken---

Dont look like Pugs----

They break the stereo Type.....The sport needs more like them...Also guys like Brock another guy who fits the same image as the klitschkos....Maybe we would get more into the mainstream...Like in the old days when the HW Title was THE MOST IMPORTANT TITLE IN ALL OF SPORTS!!!!

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Vitali was trained only by Fritz Sdunek...

Nobody is gonna stop Wlad from unifying the division unless Peter gets a belt. His jab is frightening, it's almost like a power punch.

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He's gonna continue to llok good as long as he stays away from Peter. Believe me, he knows Wlad got away with murder and he wants no part of a rematch.

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There is no reason to have a rematch he thoroughly beat Sam Peter and Sam Peter hasn't learned ANYTHING from that fight.

Since the loss to Wlad he fought Julius Long and apparently that makes him able to fight tall fighters....HA, I would let my Grandmother fight Julius Long!

And he couldn't beat James Toney

Sam Peter may be good but he won't ever EVER EVER EVER EVER..........EVER beat Wlad



Nicolay Valuev is SHIT he's going to be beat as soon as he takes on a good challenge....if it's true that Briggs is going to fight him then buh bye Giant

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Nobody is gonna stop Wlad from unifying the division unless Peter gets a belt. His jab is frightening, it's almost like a power punch.

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.....once again Sam Peter is under performing and I doubt he would beat Calvin Brock.

Sam is fat, his boxing is horrible, and his power is only due to the fact that he rabbit punches...and I'm not just talking about the Klitschko fight....HE ALWAYS DOES IT!!!

C'mon Lyle, you know whats really going on, at least I hope you do and you're just defending your boy. Wlad didn't only hold him to death, he pushed him back cause he's so scared to get punched in the face now and that's another reason he got punched in the back of the head. Everyone is so scared to get hit by Peter they turn their head. If he is so unskilled then why did Wlad have to hold on for dear life? Does that mean he's even less skilled?

Well OK, if Wlad doesn't hold him in a rematch that'll magically change something???

The holding was a way to control the distance between Sam Peter and Wlad...having the reach it was the smart thing to do.

EVERYONE IS NOT SCARED OF PETER HE JUST RABBIT PUNCHES!!! And why does he do that? His punches are too wide, and too wild. If he worked the jab and shortened the hook he'd be very good! HOWEVER he's in love with his power and doesn't box worth a damn.

People are sold on Sam Peter because they want another Mike Tyson...well Tyson did the same stuff after his prime...1 punch at a time, wild power shots, no defense.

Look at Tyson in his prime, short quick punches...that's good, that's what Sam NEEDS!!!

Wlad did not have to hold on for dear life it was part of his strategy and it worked which is why all the Peter fans bitch about it....hey let's just tie Wlad's hands behind his back so Sam can win and everyone will be happy!!!

Bx, I see lots of talent in pretty much every fighter and I only harp on their bad points because they can do better. I don't think Sam Peter has a good trainer, I think they just let him go in there with no gameplan and swing for the fences....only VERY SPECIAL fighters were able to do that: Foreman, Tyson, Dempsey and even then they worked their jabs and had decent defense.

Sam Peter just hasn't shown me he has learned how to box or set up his left hook...he just throws it he doesn't throw anything before or after it and his right hand is even worse!!!

There is absolutely no reason for wlad to fight peter again unless he holds a belt, none whatsoever. Peter couldn't get it done the first time around, I don't think he'd get it done the second time around. Peter was about to say bye bye in one of the rounds I'm not sure which one anymore, but I think wlad would be more likely to knock peter out in a rematch, than the other way around, wlad has just to much skill for peter! So wlad held, so what, nothing wrong with that, smartly fought fight! As lyle said I also don't think peter could take brock, he's got power but no skill, power will get you by average fighters, but face someone with some skill and your in trouble usually, I despise toney and I think toney won the fight with peter.

wlad is easily the best hw out there we know that but his chin is bad so anyone with good punching power would have good chance against wlad dont get me wrong i like wlad but his chin isnt so good thats why i really wouldnt like to bet on him vs hard puncher from what ive seen with brewster peter purity sanders fights

I've never seen his fight with purity, but I truly think that in his brewster fight he just ran out of gas, I mean he went all out on a guy that just wouldn't go down. So when the next round came around he just didn't have the energy to stand up any more. Also in the sanders fight, his chin can't be that glassy, he got knocked down 3 time or so and and came back up pretty quickly if I remember right, stupid move on his part, he should have taken a good 8 count, and then tied sanders up to regain some energy, I think if he fought either of those 2 guys again he'd win. I think he just didn't know how to conserve his stamina and how to deal with a pressure fighter. Also if you watch his olympics final he gets hit on the chin numerous times and doesn't even flinch, sure they got the headgear on but his chin is still exposed. His chin might not be the best, but at least when he goes down he comes back up, I just think he needed to learn how to buy some time after getting back up again.

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He's gonna continue to llok good as long as he stays away from Peter. Believe me, he knows Wlad got away with murder and he wants no part of a rematch.

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Nicolay Valuev is S*** he's going to be beat as soon as he takes on a good challenge....if it's true that Briggs is going to fight him then buh bye Giant

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I hope Briggs or Klit get to the giant before he beats Rocky's record!! to see a heavy as bad as him break it would be a shame :( then lets get the unification on ;D

Did anyone ever think that when we get a unified Champion.

Who in the hell is he gonna fight to prove he's dominant? ???

Once we get a unified champion all these other "interesting" fights and fighters can't be made because they will have been beaten already :(

WOW Lyle! Big accomplishment! Wlad beat a guy that he was expected to beat, whose biggest win was against freakin Jameel Mccline! ;D ::** Wladimir will be knocked out again, soon, so live it up while it last Klit fans, live it up while it lasts. Dunno what you guys seen in Wlad Klitschko to begin with or why you like him, but enjoy it while it lasts, because another KO loss is just around the corner. Dunno against who, considerin no one in the HW division stands out, or is consistent, hopefully Toney will be ready to fight Wlad soon though, after he beats Peter again.

Wladimir ain't going to lose anytime soon....don't stir the pot....you are a habitual pot stirrer!!!

James Toney ain't shit....go ahead lay on the ropes and let Wlad unload on you, BRILLIANT! .....that scheme HAS TO WORK!!!!





....so what's Mayorga up to these days?

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I would like to see Brock face the winner of the Toney vs. Peter fight...IMO

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Step backwards for the division.

Unification is a necessity.

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Unification is overrated. As soon as the belts get unified they will be splintered up again. Based on his wins over Peter and now Brock I think Wlad is and should be considered the true Heavyweight champion

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Hence the reason that unification is a necessity.

How would it be overratted if the man that you consider to be the true champ is going to make it closer by fighting all the other champs?

Don't just disagree to disagree...have some fluff to stuff that pillow with before you bite it. ;) :-X

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Unification is overrated cuz I don't look at Briggs (the 4th rate WBO champion) or Oleg (beat Rahman who was givin his belt) as champions. I guess you do.

...well titles are there for a reason, might as well get them

Didn't Lewis retire as the lineal champion? so a unification puts it back in place.

Its a shame but the state of that division alone effects the whole boxing, its time we had one recognised Heavyweight Champion.

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WOW Lyle! Big accomplishment! Wlad beat a guy that he was expected to beat, whose biggest win was against freakin Jameel Mccline! ;D ::** Wladimir will be knocked out again, soon, so live it up while it last Klit fans, live it up while it lasts. Dunno what you guys seen in Wlad Klitschko to begin with or why you like him, but enjoy it while it lasts, because another KO loss is just around the corner. Dunno against who, considerin no one in the HW division stands out, or is consistent, hopefully Toney will be ready to fight Wlad soon though, after he beats Peter again.

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Are you serious?
Come on Wlad is the best Heavy. around whats not to like about that guy...
Hes not a shet! talker, he knows his place in boxing and is very humble.....

The fact that his fans seem to think hes the best, is a different story...... But you really can't take nothing away from Wlad, I mean talk about a guy whos moved up the rankings fighting everyone and anyone all you gotta do is go through his record.... Hes taken both his wins & loses all together...

And you gotta credit him for making the adjustments to his fight game...

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Wladimir ain't going to lose anytime soon....don't stir the pot....you are a habitual pot stirrer!!!

James Toney ain't shit....go ahead lay on the ropes and let Wlad unload on you, BRILLIANT! .....that scheme HAS TO WORK!!!!





....so what's Mayorga up to these days?

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Dunno, but he was more of a FIGHTER, man, and accomplished more than Wlad. Anyhoo, you are all hopped up, and talkin tuff cus Wladimir beat Calvin Brock. Let me repeat that, CALVIN BROCK. Nuff said. And CutMeMick, I don't trust anyone who rates ODLH above Duran, so pipe down. ;D Also has he ever avenged one of HIS losses? Nope. Faced everyone? Sure, how bout: Lewis, Tua, Rahman, Ruiz, Holyfield, Briggs, Toney? Nope. He's not very humble either, he's a freakin HBO hype job, and a joke. But according to Larry Merchant and Lyle, he is a "Beautiful man".

Lyle is getting a little overhyped over wlads win. But Wlad did beat a solid contender pretty convincingly. Wlad is a very likeable guy....i don't know about "beautiful man" or any of that.... But hey Lyle-its your weekend!

....Calvin Brock was undefeated Hulk

Just how was Ricardo more accomplished than Wlad? He beat Vernon Forrest and that about sums up his career.

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....Calvin Brock was undefeated Hulk

Just how was Ricardo more accomplished than Wlad? He beat Vernon Forrest and that about sums up his career.

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Three time World Champion that has fought the very best competition available, that about sums up his career. O0

I don't hate the guy, in fact he reminds me of Duran....but I don't think he's more accomplished than Wlad.

Wlad fights the best competition he can

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....Calvin Brock was undefeated Hulk

Just how was Ricardo more accomplished than Wlad? He beat Vernon Forrest and that about sums up his career.

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Three time World Champion that has fought the very best competition available, that about sums up his career. O0

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what great fighter has he beat forrest ?? i think forrest derserved it in rematch but he didnt get the nod other than that who has he beat thats really great ?? spinks nope he lost to him trinidad lost to him aswell and dela hoya only other good win is against andrew lewis enuff said ::**

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....Calvin Brock was undefeated Hulk

Just how was Ricardo more accomplished than Wlad? He beat Vernon Forrest and that about sums up his career.

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Three time World Champion that has fought the very best competition available, that about sums up his career. O0

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what great fighter has he beat forrest ?? i think forrest derserved it in rematch but he didnt get the nod other than that who has he beat thats really great ?? spinks nope he lost to him trinidad lost to him aswell and dela hoya only other good win is against andrew lewis enuff said ::**

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Well he beat Forrest Twice, don't care what ya think, you can't win a fight when it is obvious you are terrified of bein KO'd the whole time like Forrest was, and he beat Lewis yes, and he beat Spinks easily, but was robbed, then pounded Michelle Picarillo, a former champ who himself beat Cory Spinks, then he went blood and guts with Tito Trinidad, dropping him in the process, but lost. Aside from the embarassing horrible loss to metrosexual Oscar Delahoya, Mayorga has accomplished quite a bit for a guy who fundamentally does not know how to box. Just knows how to fight.