Klitschko vs. Brock - Bad Stoppage by Kelly?

Just curious to see how many people thought that was a bad stoppage. There was less than a minute left when Brock
got to his feet from a big right and the ref immediately waved the fight off.
It seems plausible that Brock could have rode on his bicycle for under a minute and made it through that round.
The ref just looked in his eyes and didn't even motion for Brock to put up his gloves and walk toward him.
Although I don't think there was anything suspicious about the stoppage, I think Brock should have at least been given
the opportunity to walk toward the ref.; particularly in such a close fight.
On an unrelated note: it's complete B.S. that Klitschko has to fight Ray Austin for a mandatory defense. That doesn't make for
very exciting H.W. competition. But after Klitschko's last few fights, maybe he deserves a tomato can defense and stand to make a few
more million. :(

Ummm he BARELY got up at 9 and was still very wobbley....GOOD STOPPAGE


Austin is getting the contender status because Don King....Don is the puppet master of the division and he wants Valuev kept away from Wlad!!!

If I'm Wladimir I say fuck the belt, I'm fighting Valuev, make the deal...there is NO WAY it could be seen as ducking an opponent, Ray Austin should actually be happy if Wlad does that, it would save him an ass whippin

He was still 'snoozing' and he didn't have his legs under him, it appeared that he was gonna fall forward into the ref's. hands a la Lennox vs. McCall....

Overall it was a good stoppage, there was no need to let Brock continue and get hit with another huge right.....

I seen the round on youtube, and although Brock looked like he wasn't going to get up when he hit the canvas, he did get up, and NO, he didn't do a Judah! I don't think
that the ref afforded him the proper opportunity to show he had anything.
There are many points in fights (that haven't been stopped) where a fighter gets badly rocked and loses his legs but has the opportunity to regain
his composure on the merits of his own boxing ability! This was not the case at all in this fight.
Although I can't say that it was a bad stoppage, after watching Round 7 in full several times, I think that Brock wasn't given much of an
opportunity to show for himself on the biggest day of his pro-boxing career. :( ::**

I don't think the stoppage was bad. Brock's face hit the canvas uncontested.

Very true Gorilla!

I think if Kelly didn't stop the fight right after the knockdown Wlad would have immediately knocked him down again and if he didn't Brock's corner would have thrown the towel in.

But everyone is OK now, alive and well, Brock wasn't ready to fight when he got back up therefore I think it was a good stoppage

as he got up he wobbled backwards and i cant see how he cud have carried on in that state wlad would have just pummeled him again i think

I didn't see Brock complaining! I was impressed by his heart and willpower to get up from that...he dropped like a sack of....something. It was definitely a good stop imo. If it continued wlad wouldve just landed another devastating 1-2 and brock wouldnt have been able to defend b/c he would still have been in la la land.

Not in any way shape or form should that stoppage have been scrutinized.

Brock had taken a pounding leading up to the fight...that also was probably being taken into consideration throughout the match.

Did Brock complain?

End of discussion.

It seems a bit speculative at this point to say that Brock would not have been able to make it out of the round.
When he looked like he was K.O.'d after hitting the canvas, he did rise to his feet albeit on unsteady legs with less
than a minute left in the round.
Wladimir has always been a very tentative finisher and I think that Brock may have made it through the round.
But that's EXTREMELY speculative at this point.
Hats off to a guy with a great chin and good boxing skills, and hats off to Klitschko for getting the job done and not crumbling
under the pressure like he used to.

....when was Wlad a tenative finisher???? VS Chris Byrd???

He doesn't like "selling out" because of the stamina issue

Wlad has been under pressure since he started boxing...he went to a special school, he had to be the best or else he would be kicked out

Brock was finished. Another shot like that could have killed him

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

Just curious to see how many people thought that was a bad stoppage. There was less than a minute left when Brock
got to his feet from a big right and the ref immediately waved the fight off.
It seems plausible that Brock could have rode on his bicycle for under a minute and made it through that round.
The ref just looked in his eyes and didn't even motion for Brock to put up his gloves and walk toward him.
Although I don't think there was anything suspicious about the stoppage, I think Brock should have at least been given
the opportunity to walk toward the ref.; particularly in such a close fight.
On an unrelated note: it's complete B.S. that Klitschko has to fight Ray Austin for a mandatory defense. That doesn't make for
very exciting H.W. competition. But after Klitschko's last few fights, maybe he deserves a tomato can defense and stand to make a few
more million. :(

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Very Good Stoppage!!!!!God that was a perfect right on the sweet spot, Brock wasnt there at all...He got up on pure instinct, No need to take anymore punishment

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....when was Wlad a tenative finisher???? VS Chris Byrd???

He doesn't like "selling out" because of the stamina issue

Wlad has been under pressure since he started boxing...he went to a special school, he had to be the best or else he would be kicked out

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He had always appeared tentative when it came to finishing. You just have to look to the Peter fight as evidence of that. When he had Peter
ready to go after an evil left-hook, Wlad just backed away and kept his distance not willing to go in for the kill. He even looked tentative when
he K.O.'d an over-the-hill Mercer.
In other words, he doesn't have the killer-instinct of a prime Tyson, Holyfield, or Frazier; all of whom where spectacular finishers when they had
someone in trouble.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

....when was Wlad a tenative finisher???? VS Chris Byrd???

He doesn't like "selling out" because of the stamina issue

Wlad has been under pressure since he started boxing...he went to a special school, he had to be the best or else he would be kicked out

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He had always appeared tentative when it came to finishing. You just have to look to the Peter fight as evidence of that. When he had Peter
ready to go after an evil left-hook, Wlad just backed away and kept his distance not willing to go in for the kill. He even looked tentative when
he K.O.'d an over-the-hill Mercer.
In other words, he doesn't have the killer-instinct of a prime Tyson, Holyfield, or Frazier; all of whom where spectacular finishers when they had
someone in trouble.

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I just don't agree here. Against Peter...yes maybe he was tentative...but who wouldn't be after taking that abuse.

He's just an accumulative finisher. Jab after jab & then the left hand. I think that being slow on the kill is a totally different thing.

Just my opinion.

VS Sam Peter he was in the 12th round with under a minute to go!!!! And he didn't NEED the KO...if he was down YES by all means he would have blasted him.

Wlad has the killer instinct but he's smart enough to know when someone is on the edge of getting KO'd or just a little hurt.

He sold out vs Brewster....did you like that result? Where he was so tired he could not lift his hands to protect himself!

Wladimir has 47 wins and 42 KO's ....it's bullshit to call him a tenative finisher!!!


Nothin but love for you but I gotta disagree with you dawg

If the ref would have let that fight continue, Brock could have gotten seriously hurt. Good stoppage.

I'm gonna find out how to put stuff on youtube and put that Wlad v Peter fight to refresh some memories, Especially Lyles.

I watched it SEVERAL TIMES on HBO, Bx.....but you're a diehard fan and not some fair weather chump like some of these people are so I'm giving you a cool click.

(in actuality a Wlad-Peter rematch could possibly be the most exciting fight that could be made, aside from Wlad-Briggs or Peter-Briggs)

CC #35

...and the rematch would be 10,000 times better if Sam captures a title!!!

If he would have hit Peter with another powerful punch after that left-hook he would have dropped him.
For the love of God...Toney even woke Peter up on a couple of occasions in their fight.
Nobody could put Wlad in the ranks of finishers like Tyson, Holyfield, Hearns, etc.
I think I understand what Wacko is saying in terms of cumulative effect. But that's different than a
powerful H.W. with a very keen killer-instinct.
Of course I'm not saying that Wlad isn't a good finisher, I'm merely pointing out that he is tentative.
Maybe the wording is offensive? O.K. How about a VERY thoughtful finisher? ???
In the end I think he has shown a lot of the promise that he had shown prior to his loss to Sanders.
Definitely the BEST (all around) H.W. in the division. And that's in a division who's stock is slowly starting
to rise again.

I'd rather see Wlad fight Toney...just to shut his ass up.

Then Briggs. I love Sam Peter...but I don't believe that he can beat Wlad. I know that Sam is limited...but he's REALLY limited when thrown in with someone that can take his power...

No need in a rematch with Wlad unless ofcourse it is over a strap.

Holyfield couldn't KO a 45 year old George Foreman!!!

Tyson fought a ton of chinny fighters too dude

When Wlad has someone hurt he likes to make sure they are 100% ready to go, so it's more of a consensual KO....he COULD go for broke all the time but that would make countering him a lot easier and the key for any fighter is to minimize their flaws and Wlad's style does that

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I'd rather see Wlad fight Toney...just to shut his a** up.

Then Briggs. I love Sam Peter...but I don't believe that he can beat Wlad. I know that Sam is limited...but he's REALLY limited when thrown in with someone that can take his power...

No need in a rematch with Wlad unless ofcourse it is over a strap.

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Wlad vs. Toney? Hmm :o Why doesn't that come as much of a surprise, Wacko? LOL I think Tua vs. Toney would be a far more intriguing fight. Which diet-plan would actually prevail in the end? ??? ::**
I'm fed-up with Toney. I frankly admit that I have officially jumped off the Toney bandwagon ::** The mouth really never bothered me too much. In fact, I found it entertaining at times until it became tiresome because he couldn't produce with his hands.
It's just a matter of time before Peter wins a title and I think that a rematch would be a strong possibility. Hard hitting H.W.'s always put asses in the seats and plenty of P.P.V. buys.
I do agree, though. I don't think it's all that interesting of a match-up unless Peter is wearing a title around his waist; I'm just thinking that it's fairly inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I watched it SEVERAL TIMES on HBO, Bx.....but you're a diehard fan and not some fair weather chump like some of these people are so I'm giving you a cool click.

(in actuality a Wlad-Peter rematch could possibly be the most exciting fight that could be made, aside from Wlad-Briggs or Peter-Briggs)

CC #35

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Backatcha #864.... I like you man, you never give up....lol. Like I said b4, I was a big time Wlad fan and still like him to some extent but I, as a fighter myself can't find respect for what he's been doing lately. He's too good for that and should leave no questions unanswered.

Thanks bro

I just think as nervous as Brock was Wladimir had to take his time, had Brock come in either more calm or more active the fight wouldn't have lasted so long.

Wladimir is a relaxed fighter, which is odd for a power puncher. Just because he is relaxed doesn't mean he's not doing anything, he jabs, hooks off the jab, and he is always thinking and looking for openings....Brock was just so friggin nervous he would always have to step back and try to come at him again....very frustrating.

Wlad fights tall fighters pretty good, vs McCline he outjabbed and took his heart, he made him stop punching...the big guys are more afraid to get hit, I think and Wlad has a ton of pop on his punches, even his jab!

I've liked Wlad since I first saw him on an HBO fight....I think it was vs Shufford on B.A.D....his changing styles seems to me like the best of Wlad coupled with the best Manny Steward has to offer and that's a pretty damn good package right there!

Anytime a fighter falls face first, barely beats the count and then stumbles once up,that is a good stoppage.It would have been pointless to let it continue because Wlad is a GREAT finisher.

cc. Klitfan... The only thing questionable about this KO was whether Brock would even get up. Gotta give him props.

There is no questioning the stoppage. The way Brock went down I was surprised he got up!! Looked like he was out cold before he hit the canvas, props to Brock for even getting back up after that shot he took. The more I see of Wlad the more impressed I getting with him, although I still think there is an intangible that is missing with him. I think he is on his way as being remembered as the first real champion to rise after Lennox left. Not sure if that is going to be a good thing, time will tell.