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Calzaghe deserves respect
"I was pounding the valleys at 2 in the morning, until well gone 3 in the morning every day for months: through the rain, snow and fog! While everybody else was tucked up warm in bed! Jeff Lacy was probably tucked up in bed, having completed his work on the treadmill at the health spa in sunny Florida. No comparison! I was prepared to go to war, he wasn't.. not truly. That was the difference. That's what it all came down to. He wasn't prepared for me, not truly. So he soon went into his shell and that allowed me to shine. He wasn't prepared for 25 years of dedication and frustration being unleashed onto his skull and face. If I didn't keep pumping my arms when I was running those mountains, I'd of died because it was so cold out there. I could feel it in my bones! That's the kind of condition I got myself in. It was my destiny, I had sacrificed my whole life for boxing and had a lot of frustration throughout my career and I'm telling you, he'd of had to kill me that night to beat me!"
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
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Thats a nice paragraph about his training, he certainly did have amazing stamina during the Lacy fight.
Beating Kessler will take him from good to great, do it Joe!
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That's pretty much always been his training routine as well, he knows most of the posties by name in that area because they're usually the only others up as early as he is doing his roadwork. There's always the clips of his dad in the nice toasty car behind him opening the window to shout encouragement, but only really there to provide the light from the car's headlights.
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Never write off big Joe..
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
No sh^t. This is getting so old. He is starting to sound like some old azz guy in a retirement home talking about how he killed 50 nazis with his bare hands during WW2.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
No sh^t. This is getting so old. He is starting to sound like some old azz guy in a retirement home talking about how he killed 50 nazis with his bare hands during WW2.
I agree. Joe has had a nice career, but his biggest win is against Lacy. Lacy was nothing more than a novice champion. JMO, but he need to step it up quick before hes over the hill. Fights with Kessler and Taylor prior to hanging them up would give him ATG creds. Not fighting the likes of Manfredo.
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Originally Posted by WWatt
"I was pounding the valleys at 2 in the morning, until well gone 3 in the morning every day for months: through the rain, snow and fog! While everybody else was tucked up warm in bed! Jeff Lacy was probably tucked up in bed, having completed his work on the treadmill at the health spa in sunny Florida. No comparison! I was prepared to go to war, he wasn't.. not truly. That was the difference. That's what it all came down to. He wasn't prepared for me, not truly. So he soon went into his shell and that allowed me to shine. He wasn't prepared for 25 years of dedication and frustration being unleashed onto his skull and face. If I didn't keep pumping my arms when I was running those mountains, I'd of died because it was so cold out there. I could feel it in my bones! That's the kind of condition I got myself in. It was my destiny, I had sacrificed my whole life for boxing and had a lot of frustration throughout my career and I'm telling you, he'd of had to kill me that night to beat me!"
Wheres the link for this? It dosent really sound like something I would expect Joe to say (though im new to his career). Seems like he's talking a bunch of sh^t and I didnt think he was that type of guy.
"Jeff Lacy was probably tucked up in bed, having completed his work on the treadmill at the health spa in sunny Florida."....not cool
"So he soon went into his shell and that allowed me to shine."...so if Jeff hadnt he would have beat you down?
"He wasn't prepared for 25 years of dedication and frustration being unleashed onto his skull and face."...that justs sounds stupid for a champ to say.
"That's the kind of condition I got myself in."...so if you didnt train like you were in Rocky 4 Jeff would have kicked your ass?
I dont know. Just dosent sound right somehow.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get fucked.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
What a genius
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
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Yes yes yes, totally agree, Calzaghe ain't cashing in that cheque his mouth cashed a long time ago if he doesn't take the Kessler fight, but he really did prove his worth against Lacy, like you said.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
Don't give me that shit VD. I bet you were the worst Lacy fanboy going when the hype was big, Sheika, Reid, there were good fighters who Lacy dominated.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
I personally blame ito n every American fan, promoter and pundit who went out of their way to contact the British press and to hype up their boy way out of all proportion, and way beyond his actual skills. Reports from America made Lacy out to be a legend killer who would knock Calzaghe out, but he beat him to a bloody pulp.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
Don't give me that shit VD. I bet you were the worst Lacy fanboy going when the hype was big, Sheika, Reid, there were good fighters who Lacy dominated.
I can give you that shit as much as I want. Cuz I never been much of a Lacy fan. And you ain't going to find any old posts that say other wise. And Lacy did beat Sheika but it was by no means a domination.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
Don't give me that shit VD. I bet you were the worst Lacy fanboy going when the hype was big, Sheika, Reid, there were good fighters who Lacy dominated.
I can give you that shit as much as I want. Cuz I never been much of a Lacy fan. And you ain't going to find any old posts that say other wise. And Lacy did beat Sheika but it was by no means a domination.
I said this on the other thread, but I'll say it here so there's more chance you get it.
Ok, less F bombs from me, VD, seriously though, go have yourself a stiff dink, your a good guy and I like you, but there's no need for the controversy all the time.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
That's thing right there. Lacy was still building. He barely had 20 fights. He had and still has a lot to learn. It was obvious he was in way over his head. He was considered a "champion" cuz he won a vacant title from a mediocre non-champion. Yes, Joe beat his ass. But it was more cuz of what Lacy lacked than what Calzaghe had.
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Ok, less F bombs from me, VD, seriously though, go have yourself a stiff dink, your a good guy and I like you, but there's no need for the controversy all the time.
Thanks babe.
You girls can hammer it out without hating on each other.
You done good. :coolclick: in another 24 for the good conduct.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
That's thing right there. Lacy was still building. He barely had 20 fights. He had and still has a lot to learn. It was obvious he was in way over his head. He was considered a "champion" cuz he won a vacant title from a mediocre non-champion. Yes, Joe beat his a**. But it was more cuz of what Lacy lacked than what Calzaghe had.
It was obvious who to you?? Or the 90% who predicted Lacy would KO him??? Yes very obvious Lacy was in over his head ???
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
That's thing right there. Lacy was still building. He barely had 20 fights. He had and still has a lot to learn. It was obvious he was in way over his head. He was considered a "champion" cuz he won a vacant title from a mediocre non-champion. Yes, Joe beat his a**. But it was more cuz of what Lacy lacked than what Calzaghe had.
So then at 168 who would you have had him face?
Mundine had lost, Kess was built & viewed as hype, Beyer had lost & deemed soft, & then there was Joe.
Who would you have rather him face?
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
Don't give me that shit VD. I bet you were the worst Lacy fanboy going when the hype was big, Sheika, Reid, there were good fighters who Lacy dominated.
I can give you that shit as much as I want. Cuz I never been much of a Lacy fan. And you ain't going to find any old posts that say other wise. And Lacy did beat Sheika but it was by no means a domination.
I said this on the other thread, but I'll say it here so there's more chance you get it.
Ok, less F bombs from me, VD, seriously though, go have yourself a stiff dink, your a good guy and I like you, but there's no need for the controversy all the time.
I got no beef with you dan. You should know that. It's just my opinion on certain subjects is strong. And I don't care who many times these groupies disapprove. I won't change it until I see fit. And there's need for me to go get a drink. I just drink straight from the bottle.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that shit speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
Don't give me that shit VD. I bet you were the worst Lacy fanboy going when the hype was big, Sheika, Reid, there were good fighters who Lacy dominated.
I can give you that shit as much as I want. Cuz I never been much of a Lacy fan. And you ain't going to find any old posts that say other wise. And Lacy did beat Sheika but it was by no means a domination.
I said this on the other thread, but I'll say it here so there's more chance you get it.
Ok, less F bombs from me, VD, seriously though, go have yourself a stiff dink, your a good guy and I like you, but there's no need for the controversy all the time.
I got no beef with you dan. You should know that. It's just my opinion on certain subjects is strong. And I don't care who many times these groupies disapprove. I won't change it until I see fit. And there's need for me to go get a drink.
I just drink straight from the bottle.
:lol: there's the VD i know and love. I know exactly what you mean by groupies as well. It was me getting hot under the collar and using swears that were unneccesary.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
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Id just like to know if the qoute from Joe is real. Wheres the link? Thats some sh!t talking that I "thought" Joe was above. If he said this right after the fight,still pumped and all, well fine. If this was a recent qoute then im starting to dislike him. Just fight Kessler for gods sake! Whats the damn problem? Honestly, this is just getting stupid. I realize Joe is THE man in the UK, but will that last much longer if he keeps bullsh!tting us all?
Fight Kessler...
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yeah, he needs to fight kessler
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
Based on what? Defending the crappy ass WBO title so many times? Beating shot, past there prime ex champions? Or is it cuz he beat a young title holder who wasn't as good as he was made out to be?
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
That's thing right there. Lacy was still building. He barely had 20 fights. He had and still has a lot to learn. It was obvious he was in way over his head. He was considered a "champion" cuz he won a vacant title from a mediocre non-champion. Yes, Joe beat his a**. But it was more cuz of what Lacy lacked than what Calzaghe had.
So then at 168 who would you have had him face?
Mundine had lost, Kess was built & viewed as hype, Beyer had lost & deemed soft, & then there was Joe.
Who would you have rather him face?
Well...since no one else will answer...there was no one else out there for Jeff to face & he had done a damned fine job of beating the hell out of the majority of men that he had faced.
Lacy was good enough to make it through the Olympics & he was good enough to defeat the 19 men that he had faced some of whom were skilled fighters & veterans...Jeff thought that he was up to a challenge that he ended up falling short of.
Nothing wrong with that. I like Lacy...I like Calzaghe...but I aint writin Jeff off just yet.
I have my doubts due to the layoff...but the kid is a fighter & he's young enough to make a comeback from his loss.
To say that he was shit, unworthy, over hyped, or whatever takes away from Calzaghe's performance...& it was masterful...no matter what anyone thinks...Joe is worthy of his status.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
Based on what? Defending the crappy a** WBO title so many times? Beating shot, past there prime ex champions? Or is it cuz he beat a young title holder who wasn't as good as he was made out to be?
Based on the fact that he fought everybody and looked better than everybody.
No sane person can say otherwise..
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
That's thing right there. Lacy was still building. He barely had 20 fights. He had and still has a lot to learn. It was obvious he was in way over his head. He was considered a "champion" cuz he won a vacant title from a mediocre non-champion. Yes, Joe beat his a**. But it was more cuz of what Lacy lacked than what Calzaghe had.
So then at 168 who would you have had him face?
Mundine had lost, Kess was built & viewed as hype, Beyer had lost & deemed soft, & then there was Joe.
Who would you have rather him face?
He would of been in over his head against Kessler as well. Mundine would of been decent. The guy who beat him Manuel Siacca would of been better. Antuan Echols would of taught him a lot. And believe it or not Bruno Girard wouldn't of been a bad choice. He would of been able to see how it is to deal with a boxer. There's plenty of names. Bottom line is Lacy had 21 fights compared to Calzaghe's 40. Do you not see how that might of been a problem?
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
Based on what? Defending the crappy a** WBO title so many times? Beating shot, past there prime ex champions? Or is it cuz he beat a young title holder who wasn't as good as he was made out to be?
Based on the fact that he fought everybody and looked better than everybody.
No sane person can say otherwise..
Fought everybody? Damn I must of missed his fights against Glen Johnson, Sven Ottke, Roy Jones, Markus Beyer, Antonio Tarver, Mikkel Kessler.
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Still though VD, can you really tell me any serious flaws in the way Calzaghe actually fights? If you can think of 5 then I'll be very impressed.
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He would of been in over his head against Kessler as well. Mundine would of been decent. The guy who beat him Manuel Siacca would of been better. Antuan Echols would of taught him a lot. And believe it or not Bruno Girard wouldn't of been a bad choice. He would of been able to see how it is to deal with a boxer. There's plenty of names. Bottom line is Lacy had 21 fights compared to Calzaghe's 40. Do you not see how that might of been a problem?
You don't know that he would have been in over his head with Kessler.
Mundine would have been decent...but he like the other names above had been knocked clean off of the radar. Echols wasn't even fighting worthy at 168 when Lacy was making waves. He had lost to 160'ers & dropped back down during Lacy's big push forward.
Those names wouldn't have clarified the picture anymore than the ones that he fought for fight fans.
Bottom line is...Lacy was doing just fine & proving that he was worthy of the praise...he just chose to step up waaaaaaaaay to fast...but the thing is...if you could land a fight with the best in the world to prove that you were better...you would do it too...Lacy thought that he could live up to his own expectations...he couldn't.
That being said...there was no one else out there better for him to take...he took the top man & he lost.
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Still though VD, can you really tell me any serious flaws in the way Calzaghe actually fights? If you can think of 5 then I'll be very impressed.
Not sure that there are 5 flaws to his game...but he leaves himself to open when he flurries & he trades to much when he should be boxing.
That being said...it hasn't cost him has it?
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Still though VD, can you really tell me any serious flaws in the way Calzaghe actually fights? If you can think of 5 then I'll be very impressed.
Not sure that there are 5 flaws to his game...but he leaves himself to open when he flurries & he trades to much when he should be boxing.
That being said...it hasn't cost him has it?
That was a challenge to VD, but props, those two observations I have made as well. ;D
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Still though VD, can you really tell me any serious flaws in the way Calzaghe actually fights? If you can think of 5 then I'll be very impressed.
Wack just did. But why does that even matter? I never once said Joe couldn't fight and was not skilled. Just that he's overrated, a coward, not great and still has a lot to prove. There's a diffrence between being a great fighter and being a skillful fighter who knows how to fight.
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You cant take anything away from Joe's win against Lacy. He schooled what was considered the next big thing at super middle. But you cant, at this point consider Lacy a bonafide great fighter. A win against Sheika dont get it. Didnt sheika get whipped by Scott "the human speedbag" Pemberton?
If Lacy develops in a great fighter, Joe will get his due down the road.
If Joe wants the recognition he craves, he needs to knock off some bonifide bigtime talent. I'll stick to my earlier post that wins against Taylor and Kessler would get him his just dues. These are fight that can be made.
I cant justify him as an ATG at this point. I'd hold him in higher esteem win or lose if he made these fights.
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How long is he suppose to live off the Lacy win? Calzcrappy needs to stop being a coward and fight Kessler.
When was the last time you completed your life long ambition that you worked 2/3's of your life for? Get f***ed.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion here...but let's not all get so bent out of shape over it.
While I agree with you yoitsdan...it is time for Joe to take out Kessler...that should pretty much silence all other critics.
Joe did do a great thing in beating Lacy...no matter what anyone says...it's a pity that everyone else has forgotten what Lacy did to his other opponents. Props & respect to Joe...those that won't give it...well they just don't know.
Technically...there's no one else out there that needs to be beaten.
Rational boxing fans & fans of Calzaghe know that Joe is the good...all the rest of that S*** speak is nothing more than bitterness.
It's a pity that people refuse to acknowledge that Lacy's previous opponents were mediocre to poor. And in reality Lacy was severly overrated. Those that can't see that...well blame it on what ever you want. Stupidity. Intoxication. Doesn't really matter.
What people refuse to acknowledge is that Lacy was & is a hell of a fighter.
He fought some game opponents to be so early in his career & he took on the best Super Middleweight of the last 5 years...so just out of curiousity...at 168lbs...Jeff's fighting weight...who would you rather him have built his wins over?
Calzaghe's the best super-middle of the last 10 years, by miles.
Based on what? Defending the crappy a** WBO title so many times? Beating shot, past there prime ex champions? Or is it cuz he beat a young title holder who wasn't as good as he was made out to be?
Based on the fact that he fought everybody and looked better than everybody.
No sane person can say otherwise..
Me? Im semi-sane. So why wont Joe fight Kessler? And that "Joe wants a big name Ameican" is just crap. He isnt going to get a big name American. The sooner Joe faces that reality the better. Joe vs Kess would be huge in europe. Joe vs some guy off "the pretender"? Maybe they will show that on ESPN7......... :P
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Me? Im semi-sane. So why wont Joe fight Kessler? And that "Joe wants a big name Ameican" is just crap. He isnt going to get a big name American. The sooner Joe faces that reality the better. Joe vs Kess would be huge in europe. Joe vs some guy off "the pretender"? Maybe they will show that on ESPN7......... :P
If Joe doesn't fight Kessler...I'll have some severe issues with that.
The thing is...if he does...he can hang em up & be fine in my book.
The champions will always have a name that haunts them...there will always be ONE more challenge out there...but I truly believe that if he takes out Kess...he'll want a big name over here in the US.
