Joe Fraizer vs Evander Holyfield who takes it ??

who would win this classic slugfest it would no doubt be fight of the year but who takes it ??

frazier because of his power

I'd have to go with Smokin Joe.

Evander had decent power as a heavy, but not enough to discourage Joe. Evanders defense was never great, so I can see Joe bobing and weaving his way inside, and landing his left hook with great consistency.

I dont think Evander would get ko'd, he had to much heart, but the right side of his face would look like a melon from eating those left hooks.

frazier by unanimus decision.

agree with that i remember cooper having holyfield down and out on his feet and he fought bit like joe but joe was way way better than cooper so i think holyfield would get dropped but he would last finish line but lose decision but not easy nights work for fraizer

I actaully really aint sure on this one. Evander had such a great chin and heart you just never know, really can't call it.

I love joe but what about this. Evander took tyson at his best , tyson had better bob duck style and feet ,faster hands better combos more power etc. If tyson couldnt get him fraizer never would. Fraizer outworked opponents,he couldnt outwork evander. Joe is more like a slimmer TUA when tua was younger. I see im in the minority here but i think evander would beat him quite easily.

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Originally Posted by landmine950

I love joe but what about this. Evander took tyson at his best , tyson had better bob duck style and feet ,faster hands better combos more power etc. If tyson couldnt get him fraizer never would. Fraizer outworked opponents,he couldnt outwork evander. Joe is more like a slimmer TUA when tua was younger. I see im in the minority here but i think evander would beat him quite easily.

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TYSON WASNT AT HIS BEST , he had fought a total of 8 rounds in 4 years, if u do the math, thats 2 rounds of boxing a year against shi.t opposition!

....but i agree that young tyson was better than fraizer...and both in there primes would beat holyfeild IMO!

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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nah,tyson gave evander a hard fight the first time and that wasnt even half the tyson of old!

....and if holyfeid didnt hold on like a fukin pussy that he is,tyson would have KOed his a$$ out!

and fraizer would ko holyfeild to...unless that little bitch holds allnight!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

They actually have a common opponent. Maybe its hard to gauge it by Foreman, but he still hit like a bull when he fought Holy. Holy by late rounds KO. (In a 15 round fight)

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

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I know plenty about boxing pussy cat and I know Evander had the style, size, and heart to beat Tyson


You act like Tyson was really "in the fight" vs Holyfield...Evander never had trouble with him...Tyson had his flurries but Holyfield wasn't too bothered with him

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

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I know plenty about boxing pussy cat and I know Evander had the style, size, and heart to beat Tyson


You act like Tyson was really "in the fight" vs Holyfield...Evander never had trouble with him...Tyson had his flurries but Holyfield wasn't too bothered with him

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tyson would lead,holyfeild would counter and then hold on for dear life

.........ohh and BTW thanks for the sc,but dont worry i wont give u one back.I dont sc people for speaking there mind,next time be a man and own up,dont be a pussy! :o

....I didn't sad click you stavros


The thing with Holyfield is he smothered anyone that didn't have a good jab. And he fought dirty, and he never got bullied....things that OBVIOUSLY drive Tyson up the wall and make him unable to keep his head on straight and go with his fight plan.

Evander had a great chin, and his defense was also pretty good. And he could throw some good combos as well.


I don't hate Mike Tyson, I just like being realistic about who he could beat...that's all.

In his early fights he fought some lackluster competition, no chin, then no power but a decent chin, then no chin but power, no boxing skills....etc.

Mike Tyson beat: Frank Bruno, Donovan Rudduck, James Smith, James Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Trevor Berbick, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tubbs, Larry Holmes, and light heavyweight Michael Spinks.

That's pretty good competition but the greats on there Holmes who was past his prime and Spinks who was in the wrong weight class

Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought Evander, but regardless he was still bigger, stronger, and faster than Frazier, and still he couldn't really penetrate Evander's defense... I think Evander would be too big, and too fundementally skilled for Frazier to beat him... He would be sharper on the inside, and far too much superior on the outside. When Tyson or Lewis did hit Evander he didn't go down though they both hurt him at points in their fights they both hit as hard as Foreman if not harder, and Frazier doesn't even come close to them in punching power so I don't think he could hurt Evander with anything but bodyshots. Though Evander doesn't hit as hard as Frazier I believe he is faster, stronger, and a better than Joe Frazier technically by enough to win this inside 12 rounds.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

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I know plenty about boxing pussy cat and I know Evander had the style, size, and heart to beat Tyson


You act like Tyson was really "in the fight" vs Holyfield...Evander never had trouble with him...Tyson had his flurries but Holyfield wasn't too bothered with him

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please watch the fifth round when tyson had him staggered, that was thew only time we saw the real tyson, the real tyson would of had holy out in 10

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought Evander, but regardless he was still bigger, stronger, and faster than Frazier, and still he couldn't really penetrate Evander's defense... I think Evander would be too big, and too fundementally skilled for Frazier to beat him... He would be sharper on the inside, and far too much superior on the outside. When Tyson or Lewis did hit Evander he didn't go down though they both hurt him at points in their fights they both hit as hard as Foreman if not harder, and Frazier doesn't even come close to them in punching power so I don't think he could hurt Evander with anything but bodyshots. Though Evander doesn't hit as hard as Frazier I believe he is faster, stronger, and a better than Joe Frazier technically by enough to win this inside 12 rounds.

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holyfield wasnt in his prime either

Even if he wasn't that just furthers my point that Evander is too good for Frazier... He would hold Frazier every time Frazier would get in, and when he knew that he could beat Frazier on the inside he would trade with him until he knocked Frazier down or out.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Even if he wasn't that just furthers my point that Evander is too good for Frazier... He would hold Frazier every time Frazier would get in, and when he knew that he could beat Frazier on the inside he would trade with him until he knocked Frazier down or out.

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yea u maybe could be right but when i think about this match up i always think about bert cooper vs holyfield and that makes me maybe think twice and i think to myself if cooper could do that could fraizer do it but finish holyfield off ??

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

Holyfield is tougher then Tyson ever thought of being, and I believe Holyfield would have won at anytime of Tysons career. So I guess I don't know shit either

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

Holyfield is tougher then Tyson ever thought of being, and I believe Holyfield would have won at anytime of Tysons career. So I guess I don't know S*** either

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i guess you dont, but thanks for at least admitting it


and i dont sc people, cause thats pretty fucking ghey (except my ex got a sc for putting a poem on this forum, courtesy of me)

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

Holyfield is tougher then Tyson ever thought of being, and I believe Holyfield would have won at anytime of Tysons career. So I guess I don't know S*** either

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i guess you dont, but thanks for at least admitting it


and i dont sc people, cause thats pretty fucking ghey (except my ex got a sc for putting a poem on this forum, courtesy of me)

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I've never given a sad click, but in one sentence you say don't give them because it's gay then you say you have given one courtesy of you, so my question for you, are you gay and did your boyfriend post you a poem.?

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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you dont know shyt about boxing if you seriously believe this

Holyfield is tougher then Tyson ever thought of being, and I believe Holyfield would have won at anytime of Tysons career. So I guess I don't know S*** either

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i guess you dont, but thanks for at least admitting it


and i dont sc people, cause thats pretty F****** ghey (except my ex got a sc for putting a poem on this forum, courtesy of me)

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I've never given a sad click, but in one sentence you say don't give them because it's gay then you say you have given one courtesy of you, so my question for you, are you gay and did your boyfriend post you a poem.?

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my bad....... i was breezing through this thread and on page 1 i thought you said that i gave you a sc and you would return it.
but after checking again, i read a little closer where you said u WONT return the sc that you thought i had given you (i didnt)

and the poem is my ex gf that got moved to the "lets get it on forum" who hasnt heard from me in a while.

she just knew where to find me, i guess

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Tyson wasn't at his best when he fought Evander, but regardless he was still bigger, stronger, and faster than Frazier, and still he couldn't really penetrate Evander's defense... I think Evander would be too big, and too fundementally skilled for Frazier to beat him... He would be sharper on the inside, and far too much superior on the outside. When Tyson or Lewis did hit Evander he didn't go down though they both hurt him at points in their fights they both hit as hard as Foreman if not harder, and Frazier doesn't even come close to them in punching power so I don't think he could hurt Evander with anything but bodyshots. Though Evander doesn't hit as hard as Frazier I believe he is faster, stronger, and a better than Joe Frazier technically by enough to win this inside 12 rounds.

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well said

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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The Tyson who fought Evander would have knocked out Frazier, and the Tyson in his prime had way better defense, power, and speed than Frazier... it would have been no contest(Think Foreman-Frazier 1 minus Tyson getting hit hardly at all, and hitting Frazier way more.)

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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The Tyson who fought Evander would have knocked out Frazier, and the Tyson in his prime had way better defense, power, and speed than Frazier... it would have been no contest(Think Foreman-Frazier 1 minus Tyson getting hit hardly at all, and hitting Frazier way more.)

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i disagree fraizer was excellent fighter had good chin and way more heart than tyson i think fraizer could outgut tyson i see it going this way tyson wins early rounds drops fraizer early but fraizer weathers tysons storm and starts to discourage tyson by fighting back and he stops tyson late

Holyfield picks him off with the jab and 1-2

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

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Evander would Bang with him all night as well...Its a pickem fight all the way..Both of those guys would rather die in the ring than give up....Talking about probably the 2 biggest hearts in Heavyweight history

Your wrong dude....Tyson was Faster, Stronger, better defense...Frazier tried to eat 2-3 to give one..Real bad gameplan against Tyson..Tyson Ko's Frazier by round 3..

Joe Frazier vs Jerry Quarry 1 1969


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joe frazier cause holyfeld lost to Ruiz ;D

I gotta go with 'SMOKIN' Joe...

They were both tough mo' fo's and never gave up but my instincts says.... Joe

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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The Tyson who fought Evander would have knocked out Frazier, and the Tyson in his prime had way better defense, power, and speed than Frazier... it would have been no contest(Think Foreman-Frazier 1 minus Tyson getting hit hardly at all, and hitting Frazier way more.)

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i disagree fraizer was excellent fighter had good chin and way more heart than tyson i think fraizer could outgut tyson i see it going this way tyson wins early rounds drops fraizer early but fraizer weathers tysons storm and starts to discourage tyson by fighting back and he stops tyson late

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No way determination wouldn't go anywhere against a guy like Tyson for Frazier... Frazier wouldn't weather the first right uppercut.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Joe Frazier vs Jerry Quarry 1 1969


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I think this shows that a fighter who is far inferior to Holyfield could land on Joe Frazier. I think Holyfield hits harder than people give him credit for, and he can take massive beating by far larger men than Joe Frazier. I think a more interesting fight would be Quawi vs. Frazier.

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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i always mention that mate that holyfield was more past his prime than tyson

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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They also forget that just one year earlier, he was sparked out by Riddick Bowe.

There were people fearing for Holyfield's life before the fight, yet when he whips Mike, Mike is shot!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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Got to agree with you wholeheartedly.

The thing is, Holyfield was a good boxer & if he elected to box, he may have won, but he just loved tear-up & that would have played right into Frazier's hands.

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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I totally disagree with Frazier being a harder puncher, and my reason is because back in the day they use to fight with 8oz. gloves, and thats way easier to knock somebody out with than the gloves nowadays. Also Chin Holyfield fought as a whole alot harder punchers, and took Foreman's punches way better. As for workrate watch Holyfield fight Quawi... With somebody that had so many holes in his defense Holyfield definitely had the stamina to out throw Frazier.