Winky speaks on Ike and JT
The countdown has begun for Winky Wright’s next fight, December 2 against Ike Quartey in Tampa. Arguably the top pound for pound fighter took questions from the media Tuesday in a conference call that revolved mostly around his past and possible future bout with middleweight champion, Jermain Taylor.
“Does Jermain [Taylor] want to get back in the ring with me? I’m not ducking anybody,” Wright said in response to being asked if a rematch would happen. Contracts had been drawn for a December 9th match, but according to Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer (Golden Boy has a working alliance with Wright's Winky Promotions), Taylor did not want the fight until after the New Year.
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I like Winky as a fighter but he's a greedy idiot and due to his greed,I doubt we will see JT Winky 2 anytime soon.Winky has neither the style,nor the pulling power of JT,JT is the champ and is giving WINKY a shot,and yet it should be 50-50....Sorry but I don't see it.....
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
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Thanx for the article, and yea Taylor is more "high-profile" than Wright, but HBO marketing has much to do with that. I see it like this. I don't care if a fighter is 75-0. If another fighter crawls from under a rock and takes you 12 rounds to a draw... to me there are now 2 guys at #1, so a 50%/50% cut is well deserved, and Taylor should actually agree to it. At this point, neither fighter is better than the other. It was a draw.
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I agree with el gamo, I dont think a Winky/ Taylor rematch is in the cards.
Looks like Taylor is moving up to 168 for a match with Joe C next year.
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Thanx for the article, and yea Taylor is more "high-profile" than Wright, but HBO marketing has much to do with that. I see it like this. I don't care if a fighter is 75-0. If another fighter crawls from under a rock and takes you 12 rounds to a draw... to me there are now 2 guys at #1, so a 50%/50% cut is well deserved, and Taylor should actually agree to it. At this point, neither fighter is better than the other. It was a draw.
Except Taylor retains his titles and is only 28 fighting in his 1st weight division. Winky has no titles is an old vet at 34 and fighting at his 2nd and most likely highest weight division. Winky needs Taylor, Taylor doesn't need Winky.
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
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Talk all the shit ya'll want, but I think Quartey beats Wright
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
well thats lovely but how exactly does it benifit him? 'The Peoples Champion'? ::**
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Talk all the S*** ya'll want, but I think Quartey beats Wright
what has any of the sh1t we been talkin got to do with Quartey?
I hope Quarty does win at least then Winky will have to accept what ever he is offered from JT and we get the mess sorted out.
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Thanx for the article, and yea Taylor is more "high-profile" than Wright, but HBO marketing has much to do with that. I see it like this. I don't care if a fighter is 75-0. If another fighter crawls from under a rock and takes you 12 rounds to a draw... to me there are now 2 guys at #1, so a 50%/50% cut is well deserved, and Taylor should actually agree to it. At this point, neither fighter is better than the other. It was a draw.
I understand what you are saying but the fact is that the money for the fighters purses comes as a result of ticket sales and ppv buys and if one fighter is responsible for generating more interest than the other in terms of tickets and ppv it is also fair that he gets the lion share.
Taylor is a bigger draw than Winky who although an excellent technical figher doesnt really have a crowd pleasing entertaining style. I can't even remember the last time Winky knocked a guy out, in fact if it wasn't for the fact that boxrec tells me so I might even have believed it if you told me he had never knocked anyone out in his career!
Taylor, despite the two technical chess matches against Hopkins is an exciting boxer to watch and is simply more marketable than Winky.
You can argue that as they are both evenly matched in terms of skill they should be paid the same but you can just as easily argue that since Jermain is better in terms of marketability and generating both fighters income then he should get the majority of it.
I happen to agree with the latter statement.
Winky wants 50% whilst he will probably only bring 30% of the ppv buys, Taylor will generate the other 70% so why should he give up another 20% of it to Winky?
He shouldnt.
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Hairdoo & Bilbo, I understand your points. I guess I'm saying money aside... after Taylor is retired, he will never know who would've won the rematch. Sad for Wright too when he retires.
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Thanx for the article, and yea Taylor is more "high-profile" than Wright, but HBO marketing has much to do with that. I see it like this. I don't care if a fighter is 75-0. If another fighter crawls from under a rock and takes you 12 rounds to a draw... to me there are now 2 guys at #1, so a 50%/50% cut is well deserved, and Taylor should actually agree to it. At this point, neither fighter is better than the other. It was a draw.
I understand what you are saying but the fact is that the money for the fighters purses comes as a result of ticket sales and ppv buys and if one fighter is responsible for generating more interest than the other in terms of tickets and ppv it is also fair that he gets the lion share.
Taylor is a bigger draw than Winky who although an excellent technical figher doesnt really have a crowd pleasing entertaining style. I can't even remember the last time Winky knocked a guy out, in fact if it wasn't for the fact that boxrec tells me so I might even have believed it if you told me he had never knocked anyone out in his career!
Taylor, despite the two technical chess matches against Hopkins is an exciting boxer to watch and is simply more marketable than Winky.
You can argue that as they are both evenly matched in terms of skill they should be paid the same but you can just as easily argue that since Jermain is better in terms of marketability and generating both fighters income then he should get the majority of it.
I happen to agree with the latter statement.
Winky wants 50% whilst he will probably only bring 30% of the ppv buys, Taylor will generate the other 70% so why should he give up another 20% of it to Winky?
He shouldnt.
You make a good point overall, in terms of the larger draw deserving the lions share.. THat's obvious.. But the thing is Im not so convinced of is that TAylor is a bigger draw than Winky... People keep saying so as if it's a granted, but in reality, who the hell has found Taylor exciting in his last 3, and only fights at the world class level... Winky was far more entertaining then he was in their fight, in that he was the agressor throughout, he was busier, took the fight to Taylor all night.. Not to mention how incredibly boring Taylor was in the Hopkins fights.. Im not so sure people want to see Taylor fight more than Winky.. I know I don't. 50/50 is fine imo... I understand that from Taylors standpoint, he is much younger, and has a much longer future at 160... But to say Winky needs him and he doesn't need Winky is a bit off imo... Taylor needs to beat an elite fighter convincingly, for gods sake. He should suck it up and take 50% whether he should get more or not, because I think he would definetly do better this time around wheras Winky doesn't have the same room to improve. If Winky had gotten the decision he deserved I don't think we'd be hearing this, in fact I know so. Think about it this way, if Taylor doesn't make the rematch happen, and goes on to fight the likes of Abraham, Miranda, anyone else at 160 or 168... I think he would be remembered as a good strong middleweight champion, but one who fought in a weak period.. People will say he should have lost to Winky and Bhop near the end of their careers and he was not the same level as they were. That he was a good fighter who managed to squeak past the old guard with the help of some judges, but hardly claimed the torch in a convincing fashion. He could prevent this opinion forming by fighting Calzaghe, but I'd give him a better chance to beat Winky, and an infinetly better chance to actually make the fight happen if it's against Wright.
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p4pking: "Taylor needs to beat an elite fighter convincingly"
Ditto
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
Some felt Taylor won too so a draw wasnt a bad result . If Wright chooses not to fight Taylor again though , whwere does he go ?
Quartey will give him a handful as Wright tends to be lackluster in warm ups . Its the big fights where he performs but Ike will provide stubborn resistance and present him with plenty problems . I dont think Ike will actually do enough to win but Winky for the 1st time will be facing a man whos jab rivals his and exceeds him in terms of punch power . Taylor has a much easier nights work against Ouma .
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
Some felt Taylor won too so a draw wasnt a bad result . If Wright chooses not to fight Taylor again though , whwere does he go ?
Quartey will give him a handful as Wright tends to be lackluster in warm ups . Its the big fights where he performs but Ike will provide stubborn resistance and present him with plenty problems . I dont think Ike will actually do enough to win but Winky for the 1st time will be facing a man whos jab rivals his and exceeds him in terms of punch power . Taylor has a much easier nights work against Ouma .
People said that about Taylor, myself included.. THat Winky was finally facing someone who could match his jab and had more firepower.. And WInky adapted perfectly and negated this by being the agressor. I picked Taylor to beat Winky, and was totally impressed by the way Wright handed Jermain, he easily deserved the decision imo.. So no way Im making the mistake of picking against him again.. Quartey is nowhere near as powerful as Taylor anyways.
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
well thats lovely but how exactly does it benifit him? 'The Peoples Champion'? ::**
My point is that he has taken all Taylor could give him and out worked and landed him... Winky is only going to grow more into the weight.
He'd do the same thing again...
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yeh Winky is a d1ck!! He knows a draw is the best result he will ever get JT will only improve. If he beat Taylor then he would of been Unified Champ at both 154 and 160! Thats history right there. Even if he took 30% i doubt he would earn as much fighting anyone else and if he has the belts he has all the marbles.
He's already beaten JT once on most people's eyes...
well thats lovely but how exactly does it benifit him? 'The Peoples Champion'? ::**
My point is that he has taken all Taylor could give him and out worked and landed him... Winky is only going to grow more into the weight.
He'd do the same thing again...
I couldn't disagree more ;) Winky has done all the improving he is going to do! Taylor laid on the ropes and let Winky bang away and wasn't agressive enough he even said it himself. He hadn't had that much experience with southpaws and only had a small amount of time to work with Emanual Stewart who we all know is one of the best lefty trainers on the planet!
Winky is 34 and has been fighting at 160 for over 2 years so I think he is as comfortable at that weight as he is going to get. ;D
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I don't know what you guys are talking about... Winky has been literally screwed by American boxing his whole life. He had to beat Mosley decisively twice just to get close decisions. He won two relatively close fights against Vargas, and Taylor, and just because they were the "up and rising" stars they were given the favorable nod. He is the second best boxer on the planet, and He would beat Taylor again if they fought IMO. Also 50-50 seems reasonable... He has beaten alot more fighters than Taylor, and IMO he's as exciting to watch.
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I don't know what you guys are talking about... Winky has been literally screwed by American boxing his whole life. He had to beat Mosley decisively twice just to get close decisions. He won two relatively close fights against Vargas, and Taylor, and just because they were the "up and rising" stars they were given the favorable nod. He is the second best boxer on the planet, and He would beat Taylor again if they fought IMO. Also 50-50 seems reasonable... He has beaten alot more fighters than Taylor, and IMO he's as exciting to watch.
CC that's the same way I feel... Where is this image of Taylor as an exciting fighter coming from, exactly?? He hasnt been the least bit exciting or convincing against the 2 elite fighters he has fought... Sure he has no problem beating up old jr middleweights and has beens, but that doesn't mean a damn thing Im sure Winky would look pretty exciting fighting William Joppy or Raul Marquez.. Wright beat him, has been no.2 p4p for a long while, and is the only guy Taylor is going to make a huge statement by beating at 160. Like I said, the only reason he shouldn't accept 50-50 and give Wright a rematch is if he is going to move up to SMW and fight Calzaghe. But if anyone thinks that's a fight that will be easily made anytime soon, well.... Good luck with that.
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wouldn't it be nice if Ouma beats Taylor and screwed the situation up for everyone?
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I don't know what you guys are talking about... Winky has been literally screwed by American boxing his whole life. He had to beat Mosley decisively twice just to get close decisions. He won two relatively close fights against Vargas, and Taylor, and just because they were the "up and rising" stars they were given the favorable nod. He is the second best boxer on the planet, and He would beat Taylor again if they fought IMO. Also 50-50 seems reasonable... He has beaten alot more fighters than Taylor, and IMO he's as exciting to watch.
as Eddie Murphy would say "What have you done for me lately Winky?"
Sam Solimon? ::**
Felix Trinidad? Hopkins humiliated him when up at 160 and then Tito RETIRED, Winky took up where Hopkins left off FOUR years later ::**
Shane Mosley? We all know is a Welterweight not a Middleweight but good win albeit close back in 2004 at 154 pounds!
How can you expect Taylor to look any good against these top guys? it was way to early in his career in terms of experience to be thrown in against Hopkins and Wright but he came out with flying colors considering. People say he is exciting because he KPTFO!!
Taylor is a great student of the game just ask Hopkins, Winky will not win the rematch he had his chance. ;)
If Wright was genuine about a rematch he should be at least be fighting Javier Castillejo next and picking up the WBA.
