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Cotto, Margarito full card!
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...ltNycOiJf.html
Foreman, Crawford, Mussachio in action
The complete card is pretty much set for Saturday's Top Rank's SHOWTIME-televised welterweight title twinbill at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Unbeatens Miguel Cotto (27-0, 22 KOs) and Carlos Quintana (23-0, 18 KOs) fight for the vacant WBA welterweight title, plus WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margarito (33-4, 24 KOs) defends against once-beaten Joshua Clottey (30-1, 20 KOs). A number of unbeaten prospects worth watching will see action in off-TV bouts. The top non-TV attraction features unbeaten jr middleweight Yuri Foreman (21-0, 8 KOs) against Miguel Hernandez (19-5, 9 KOs). Other fights include unbeaten welterweight Henry Crawford (12-0-1, 5 KOs) against spoiler Clarence Taylor (11-10-2, 5 KOs); unbeaten super middleweight Chuck Mussachio (7-0, 3 KOs) against Tony Pope (15-12-1, 11 KOs); featherweight Eric Hunter (5-0, 3 KOs) versus Oscar Martinez (8-9, 4 KOs); middleweight Wayne Johnson (13-1, 8 KOs) against Joe Christy (5-9-1, 2 KOs) and bantamweight Jesus Manuel Rojas (4-0, 4 KOs) against TBA.
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wondered when they were gonna announce that...
http://www.saddoboxing.com/miguel-co...rlos-quintana/
on another note is this Quintana guy any good... i think its a very risky fight going of the record and will be putting some dosh on the upset.
but has anyone seen this guy fight or have any insight for me ?
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8) QUINTANA v JULIO
[youtube=425,350]0zY87jpWElk[/youtube]
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Originally Posted by Saddo
wondered when they were gonna announce that...
http://www.saddoboxing.com/miguel-co...rlos-quintana/
on another note is this Quintana guy any good... i think its a very risky fight going of the record and will be putting some dosh on the upset.
but has anyone seen this guy fight or have any insight for me ?
Yeah Quintana is a great fighter, he did more than expose Joel Julio, he showed that he has patience, and ring smarts. The guy can slug as well.
This is by far IMO a bigger challenge to go up to welter than PBF or Hatton took. Quintana has a very good chance of beating Cotto, although it's hard to judge because we don't know how Cotto will be at Welter. I am guessing that Cotto's power will be amplified by moving up in weight.
Still, this ones a toss-up for me.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Saddo
wondered when they were gonna announce that...
http://www.saddoboxing.com/miguel-co...rlos-quintana/
on another note is this Quintana guy any good... i think its a very risky fight going of the record and will be putting some dosh on the upset.
but has anyone seen this guy fight or have any insight for me ?
Yeah Quintana is a great fighter, he did more than expose Joel Julio, he showed that he has patience, and ring smarts. The guy can slug as well.
This is by far IMO a bigger challenge to go up to welter than PBF or Hatton took. Quintana has a very good chance of beating Cotto, although it's hard to judge because we don't know how Cotto will be at Welter. I am guessing that Cotto's power will be amplified by moving up in weight.
Still, this ones a toss-up for me.
CC,was about to write exactly the same...experts have been talking about him for a while and although I'm a HUGE Cotto fan,I know it'll be a very hard fight especially as it's his first at 147! He schooled the highly rated(at the time ) Joel Julio and is slick but sits on his shots so has power.. ALOT depends on how well Cotto has carried his power up,if hasn't,it's going to be a long night!
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Saddo
wondered when they were gonna announce that...
http://www.saddoboxing.com/miguel-co...rlos-quintana/
on another note is this Quintana guy any good... i think its a very risky fight going of the record and will be putting some dosh on the upset.
but has anyone seen this guy fight or have any insight for me ?
Yeah Quintana is a great fighter, he did more than expose Joel Julio, he showed that he has patience, and ring smarts. The guy can slug as well.
This is by far IMO a bigger challenge to go up to welter than PBF or Hatton took. Quintana has a very good chance of beating Cotto, although it's hard to judge because we don't know how Cotto will be at Welter. I am guessing that Cotto's power will be amplified by moving up in weight.
Still, this ones a toss-up for me.
CC,was about to write exactly the same...experts have been talking about him for a while and although I'm a HUGE Cotto fan,I know it'll be a very hard fight especially as it's his first at 147! He schooled the highly rated(at the time ) Joel Julio and is slick but sits on his shots so has power.. ALOT depends on how well Cotto has carried his power up,if hasn't,it's going to be a long night!
I never actually saw Quintana vs Julio.. But do you think Joels recently losing again to Cosme Rivera suggests Quintana may have looked better than he was, or did he really shine through...
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It's 4 posts above this one ::** ;D
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by Saddo
wondered when they were gonna announce that...
http://www.saddoboxing.com/miguel-co...rlos-quintana/
on another note is this Quintana guy any good... i think its a very risky fight going of the record and will be putting some dosh on the upset.
but has anyone seen this guy fight or have any insight for me ?
Yeah Quintana is a great fighter, he did more than expose Joel Julio, he showed that he has patience, and ring smarts. The guy can slug as well.
This is by far IMO a bigger challenge to go up to welter than PBF or Hatton took. Quintana has a very good chance of beating Cotto, although it's hard to judge because we don't know how Cotto will be at Welter. I am guessing that Cotto's power will be amplified by moving up in weight.
Still, this ones a toss-up for me.
CC,was about to write exactly the same...experts have been talking about him for a while and although I'm a HUGE Cotto fan,I know it'll be a very hard fight especially as it's his first at 147! He schooled the highly rated(at the time ) Joel Julio and is slick but sits on his shots so has power.. ALOT depends on how well Cotto has carried his power up,if hasn't,it's going to be a long night!
I never actually saw Quintana vs Julio.. But do you think Joels recently losing again to Cosme Rivera suggests Quintana may have looked better than he was, or did he really shine through...
I've seen Majesty ask this too and I believe Quintana's victory was impressive,not just the fact he won but the manner he won in,slickness,ring generalship etc. Julio V Rivera,Julio did try to fight off the backfoot.giving Rivera chance and although Julio was knocked down late,I don't think it was the MASSIVE robbery everyone makes it out to be,,the rounds were tough to score and it was more Rivera was able to take his power!(which is surprising given that he was stopped by Judah so maybe Judah should get more credit for his victory over Cosme?)
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cheers for the video smash CC
and for the comments guys...
didnt like the way he got hit then stuck his chin out ??? ??? ??? he better not do that with Cotto :-X
i think this is the same kinda challange as Ricky did moving up against an unbeaten fighter who is coming off a kinda shock win as Collazo did.
saying that i think Cotto will handle the move up far better than Ricky did and will thrive from it... he been struggling for some time to make weight so this move up may be just what is needed.
still a gamble though... but deserves credit for it ;)
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Originally Posted by Smashup
It's 4 posts above this one ::** ;D
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Cotto strikes me as having a broader frame that say a Hatton and feel he'll carry power a Welter. Quintana does need to watch himself as he (at times) is wide open to a counter in the above clip.
Cotto KO's him imo ;)
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If Cotto beats Quintana and his mandatory(Urkal),I want Hatton to bring his ass to 147!!!
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Jesus, anyone would think Quintana was JCC or sommat ::**
No way they risk him with a livebody and so many lucrative fights at 147.
Cotto round 4
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Jesus, anyone would think Quintana was JCC or sommat ::**
No way they risk him with a livebody and so many lucrative fights at 147.
Cotto round 4
Point being made is Quintana is skilled and has proven it.....and Arum intially refused Quintana but Cotto's camp protested.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Jesus, anyone would think Quintana was JCC or sommat ::**
No way they risk him with a livebody and so many lucrative fights at 147.
Cotto round 4
Point being made is Quintana is skilled and has proven it.....and Arum intially refused Quintana but Cotto's camp protested.
You beat me to the point lol
Yes Quintana is 30, he is definately in his prime and I don't think anyone here is saying he's a god or anything, but he is a great boxer
with a good chin and some pretty good power to boot.
Cotto's move up to 147
vs. Carlos Quintana 23-0-0 (18 KOs) Age 30
in his prime, undefeated, natural Welter, can box and slug, has a
good chin, just coming off of a win against Joel Julio, who some
say was trying to mimic Cotto's power technique. The main reason
he is dangerous is he knows when to box and when to slug, and can
do both. Downside he has very little TV exposure and has openings
that an astute boxer could capitalize on.
PBF's move up to 147
vs. Sharmba Mitchell 56-4-0 (30 KOs) Age 35
past his prime, naturally a superfeather, can box, definately
can't trade though all of his defeats came by way of KO
or TKO. He has had the experience of fighting some real
top level elite guys, Kostya Tszyu (twice) and Vince Phillips
but his chin gets exposed everytime he gets near the top
Hatton's move up to 147
vs. Luis Collazo 26-1-0 (12 KOs) Age 25
very young to be a title holder, he has really good boxing
skills, but very little TV exposure. Also for being a natural
Welter he has very little power, relative to the rest of the division.
He is still very young and will still be a threat in the future,
if anyone will fight him.
IMO he is far the better opponent than those other two took
and he is far more dangerous. To further extrapolate, There
is a lot more pressure on Cotto than Quintana, he is the one
moving up, he is the one that has been on TV a lot.
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Owe you a CC in 24 KS,great way of breaking it down my man,awesome analysis!!!!I think that puts into perspective the jump Cotto is taking and I think it's safe to say it's a risk although 1 thing I have notived about Quintana is that he looks open to bodyshots!
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Originally Posted by Steelie
Jesus, anyone would think Quintana was JCC or sommat ::**
No way they risk him with a livebody and so many lucrative fights at 147.
Cotto round 4
May the ring God's hear your statement.
So it is written, So it shall be done.
:)
I am not tripping on this fight.
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El Gamo - i appreciate your a Cotto nut...and i am too.
..but Killersheep - i'm yet to read a post where you DONT drag Ricky Hatton into it !
Hell, you could be talking about lunch and drop Ricky into it.
Hatton took a fight at 147 - he didn't 'Move Up' - so why the comparison?
Go fill out your sports book you joker.
All this hype around Quintana - big deal, he was fighting 8 rounders at the Playboy mansion last year. So he beat another 'prospect' in Joey Jewels - if he is so electric, how come the kid is 30 and i aint ever heard a ripple about him?
Because, like Paulie, he's a friggin nobody - he's an inflated record and we all know it !
And when Cotto rips him up inside 5 rounds everyone will say 'Cotto is the truth maaan !' - Collazo HAD A BELT... !
http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/3dlil/la.gif
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To get back on to the topic of this thread, damn this is gonna be a great card,
Two fights that are worthy of being headliners, makes me wonder if they'll charge
twice as much
$99.95
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
El Gamo - i appreciate your a Cotto nut...and i am too.
..but Killersheep - i'm yet to read a post where you DONT drag Ricky Hatton into it !
Hell, you could be talking about lunch and drop Ricky into it.
Hatton took a fight at 147 - he didn't 'Move Up' - so why the comparison?
Go fill out your sports book you joker.
Why would I not bring Hatton into this? I am using for comparison as the standard the two most popular fighters on this forum to see who they went up against versus who Cotto's going against for their first fight at 147. Please explain to me how increasing one's weight to a higher weight
division is not "moving up"
Also maybe you are talking about the thread that went on forever called "Castillo vs. Hatton who wins" Yeah I brought Ricky up quite a bit on there.
go ahead and look through my posts.
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
All this hype around Quintana - big deal, he was fighting 8 rounders at the Playboy mansion last year. So he beat another 'prospect' in Joey Jewels - if he is so electric, how come the kid is 30 and i aint ever heard a ripple about him?
Maybe because you are a casual boxing fan
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Because, like Paulie, he's a friggin nobody - he's an inflated record and we all know it !
Say what you want, but Paulie did a damn fine job against Cotto, and did take it to decision, despite having his jaw broken.
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
That is a big assumption, to say that Cotto will rip him up inside of 5 when you've never seen him before.
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
- Collazo HAD A BELT... !
You are correct there.
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
El Gamo - i appreciate your a Cotto nut...and i am too.
..but Killersheep - i'm yet to read a post where you DONT drag Ricky Hatton into it !
Hell, you could be talking about lunch and drop Ricky into it.
Hatton took a fight at 147 - he didn't 'Move Up' - so why the comparison?
Go fill out your sports book you joker.
All this hype around Quintana - big deal, he was fighting 8 rounders at the Playboy mansion last year. So he beat another 'prospect' in Joey Jewels - if he is so electric, how come the kid is 30 and i aint ever heard a ripple about him?
Because, like Paulie, he's a friggin nobody - he's an inflated record and we all know it !
And when Cotto rips him up inside 5 rounds everyone will say 'Cotto is the truth maaan !' - Collazo HAD A BELT... !
http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/3dlil/la.gif
Uh, Quintana has fought on ESPN and HBO. And, just because you never heard of Quintana, that doesn't mean he isn't any good. And if you've never seen/heard of him before, maybe you don't know boxing as much as you put on.
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C of G,you know I respect Hatton but Cotto is fighting someone boxing experts have been talking about for a while. Also,Quintana has not gotten as much exposure as he should have done because he broke both his elbows playing a basketball match,otherwise he would be more well known...
and like KS stated,of course he's going to do a comparison between Hatton and Cotto:2 great fighters,both world champs at 140,both moved up and took dangerous fights,what will the outcome be for Cotto and Hatton has gone back to 140 already.
Also,Quintana may have been fighting 8 rounders but 3 fights before Hatton,Collazo was fighting a guy with a record of 1-1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?! I'm not dissing,just stating facts(you know you're still 1 of my fave posters! :lickish: :laugh: ;D)
And Paulie will be a future champ ;) ;)
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KS, do you like Hatton?
truthful answer?
¡Diga al hombre de la verdad!
yo me puse pienso que usted hace
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
KS, do you like Hatton?
truthful answer?
I have nothing against Hatton as a person, I think he has the personality that a champ should have.
However, I think looking at fighters, strictly as fighters. I believe his days are numbered.
My opinion of him is this,
He beat KT - that was a career defining fight, but he needed to follow-up
He barely beat Collazo - nothing wrong with having a competitive match, but Collazo was close enough in that fight to deserve a rematch.
Now he's fighting Urangotuan.
So to summerize, I don't dislike Ricky, I just don't think he's the hype he's being made out to be.
If he gets through Urango (very likely) he faces Castillo.
Castillo vs. Hatton is the point where Ricky proves me wrong or right.
Even with Castillo being war-torn and older, that is how Ricky can impress me.
And the funny thing is out of all the people on this thread that brought up Ricky, you called on
me, why is that?
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
KS, do you like Hatton?
truthful answer?
I have nothing against Hatton as a person, I think he has the personality that a champ should have.
However, I think looking at fighters, strictly as fighters. I believe his days are numbered.
My opinion of him is this,
He beat KT - that was a career defining fight, but he needed to follow-up
He barely beat Collazo - nothing wrong with having a competitive match, but Collazo was close enough in that fight to deserve a rematch.
Now he's fighting Urangotuan.
So to summerize, I don't dislike Ricky, I just don't think he's the hype he's being made out to be.
If he gets through Urango (very likely) he faces Castillo.
Castillo vs. Hatton is the point where Ricky proves me wrong or right.
Even with Castillo being war-torn and older, that is how Ricky can impress me.
And the funny thing is out of all the people on this thread that brought up Ricky, you called on
me, why is that?
usted siempre lo menciona. ;)
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
KS, do you like Hatton?
truthful answer?
I have nothing against Hatton as a person, I think he has the personality that a champ should have.
However, I think looking at fighters, strictly as fighters. I believe his days are numbered.
My opinion of him is this,
He beat KT - that was a career defining fight, but he needed to follow-up
He barely beat Collazo - nothing wrong with having a competitive match, but Collazo was close enough in that fight to deserve a rematch.
Now he's fighting Urangotuan.
So to summerize, I don't dislike Ricky, I just don't think he's the hype he's being made out to be.
If he gets through Urango (very likely) he faces Castillo.
Castillo vs. Hatton is the point where Ricky proves me wrong or right.
Even with Castillo being war-torn and older, that is how Ricky can impress me.
And the funny thing is out of all the people on this thread that brought up Ricky, you called on
me, why is that?
usted siempre lo menciona. ;)
You don't need the usted, that's formal.
Anyway, look through the threads I've posted in, Hatton has been brought up by me on this one, because of relevance to the fight on the thread, in the thread 'Castillo vs. Hatton who wins', and in the thread 'Is Hatton an ATG?'
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Originally Posted by killersheep
To get back on to the topic of this thread, damn this is gonna be a great card,
Two fights that are worthy of being headliners, makes me wonder if they'll charge
twice as much
$99.95
This a freebee...
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
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Originally Posted by killersheep
To get back on to the topic of this thread, damn this is gonna be a great card,
Two fights that are worthy of being headliners, makes me wonder if they'll charge
twice as much
$99.95
This a freebee...
seriously?!?!?!? This is too good to be true, I guess that means someone won't make weight, lol.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
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Originally Posted by killersheep
To get back on to the topic of this thread, damn this is gonna be a great card,
Two fights that are worthy of being headliners, makes me wonder if they'll charge
twice as much
$99.95
This a freebee...
seriously?!?!?!? This is too good to be true, I guess that means someone won't make weight, lol.
lol
You do have Showtime, right?
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
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Originally Posted by killersheep
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
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Originally Posted by killersheep
To get back on to the topic of this thread, damn this is gonna be a great card,
Two fights that are worthy of being headliners, makes me wonder if they'll charge
twice as much
$99.95
This a freebee...
seriously?!?!?!? This is too good to be true, I guess that means someone won't make weight, lol.
lol
You do have Showtime, right?
My neighbor does, I have HBO so we kinda share for big events
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Yeah man, this fight is EXCELLENT.
Good time to be a boxing fan. :) The rest can jerk it too Mayweather's stupid Reyes gloves. Who cares!
We gotta good fight card THIS weekend. ;D :)
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Yeah man, this fight is EXCELLENT.
Good time to be a boxing fan. :) The rest can jerk it too Mayweather's stupid Reyes gloves. Who cares!
We gotta good fight card THIS weekend. ;D :)
I gotta say man, 2007 looks like it's gonna be great for boxing.
The potential match-ups are awesome!!
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From the looks of things, this will be an interesting fight for several reasons, some have been mentioned and others have not.
Let me touch on the things no one else has and compare if we can some differences or similarities.
Let's take DeMarcus Corley for example. Why Corley? Because he is a South Paw.
I can not think of any other SouthPaw Cotto has faced and the reason I bring that up is because Emanuel Steward said Cotto had trouble with SouthPaws in the past. (Where he got this from? Amateur fights maybe?) I don't know.
Cotto had a huge advantage in this fight due to his size. Cotto was 16 lbs heavier but Corley was the one who did not opt to gain weight as he stayed at 137 vs Cotto @ 153 lbs.
Cotto did everything right until he got rocked in the 3rd by a right hook to the chin and had Cotto doing the chicken dance
See video below:
[youtube=425,350]NYTzb2Oi5bA[/youtube]
The question is can Cotto take any of Quintanas power punches to the chin? Oh that questionable chin. (Reminds me off Corrales :-\ )
Will Cotto be stronger at this new weight? Will Quintana wait for Cotto to make this same mistake?
All we can do is wait and see. I guess I lost track of what I was saying but I still think this should be a good fight and test for Cotto since he is not the bigger man in this fight.
Oh Now I remember what I was going to say. By comparison, Quintana has decent speed like Corley and moves all around the ring too. I do not know if Quintana has more power though. Corley has 17 ko's of 31 bouts and Quintana has 18 of 23. I guess by those records, Quintana may have more power but who has Quintana faught? I can only say Joel Julio and Edwin Cassiani. Corley has a much better resume. Cotto was the only fighter to ever stop Chop-Chop.
I am hoping we see a new Cotto in his debut at @147. I am sure he can pull off the win and maybe fight Collazo next :)
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
From the looks of things, this will be an interesting fight for several reasons, some have been mentioned and others have not.
Let me touch on the things no one else has and compare if we can some differences or similarities.
Let's take DeMarcus Corley for example. Why Corley? Because he is a South Paw.
I can not think of any other SouthPaw Cotto has faced and the reason I bring that up is because Emanuel Steward said Cotto had trouble with SouthPaws in the past. (Where he got this from? Amateur fights maybe?) I don't know.
Cotto had a huge advantage in this fight due to his size. Cotto was 16 lbs heavier but Corley was the one who did not opt to gain weight as he stayed at 137 vs Cotto @ 153 lbs.
Cotto did everything right until he got rocked in the 3rd by a right hook to the chin and had Cotto doing the chicken dance
See video below:
[youtube=425,350]NYTzb2Oi5bA[/youtube]
The question is can Cotto take any of Quintanas power punches to the chin? Oh that questionable chin. (Reminds me off Corrales :-\ )
Will Cotto be stronger at this new weight? Will Quintana wait for Cotto to make this same mistake?
All we can do is wait and see. I guess I lost track of what I was saying but I still think this should be a good fight and test for Cotto since he is not the bigger man in this fight.
Oh Now I remember what I was going to say. By comparison, Quintana has decent speed like Corley and moves all around the ring too. I do not know if Quintana has more power though. Corley has 17 ko's of 31 bouts and Quintana has 18 of 23. I guess by those records, Quintana may have more power but who has Quintana faught? I can only say Joel Julio and Edwin Cassiani. Corley has a much better resume. Cotto was the only fighter to ever stop Chop-Chop.
I am hoping we see a new Cotto in his debut at @147. I am sure he can pull off the win and maybe fight Collazo next :)
Didn't Cassiani beat Collazo?
