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This division has seen some of the all time greats participate!!
Who do you see coming out on top of these guys prime for prime (admitedly not all were at their prime at 140)
Kosta Tszyu
Aaron Pryor
Julio Cesar Chavez
Floyd Mayweather Jnr
Pernell Whitaker
Wilfred Benitez
aaron pryorQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I can see I have started a real winner of a thread here ;D
who do u think big h ??Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Julio Cesar Chavez is my pick. He fought everybody.
Roger Mayweather
Meldric Taylor
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar de la Hoya
Hector Camacho
Kostya Tszyu
no he didn't beat them all, but he fought them all
108-6-2 (87 KOs)
in a 25 year career.
In his prime he wasn't the best at anything, but he was really good at everything.
Really not sure:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Pryor probabaly goes down as the greatest Light Welter by virtue of the fact that that's where his career was. I would have JCC ahead of them all in an all time p4p list - but then I think about Whitaker 'beating' him. I still don't know how good PBF is and I think Tszyu is a bit overrated.
Hope this answers your question ;D
its tough one id certainly have chavez pryor and whitaker at top 3 chavez can be outboxed though remember meldrick taylor vs chavez and of course pernell whitaker vs chavez and pryor has excellent workrate and if someone was too strong for him on inside he could box aka arguello vs pryor 1Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
whitaker and pryor are prolly my top 2 would whitaker be able to withstand the relentless assault of pryor would pryor be able to catch whitaker with anything ??
In terms of, who would beat all others at 140... Id say Whittaker, followed by Benetiz, Pryor, then Chavez... I know he never fought at 140 but I think Shane Mosley could have potentially beaten anyone on the list at his best. Also if Floyd was on your list I would have him at 2nd or 3rd.
Whittaker
Mosley/Floyd
Benitez
Pryor
MY top 5.
Chavez has a great record/legacy, probably had the most signifigant reign at 140, but I don't think he would have beaten one of those fighters at their best.
Easily Chavez 8)
Look at his stats and the Wars he had time and time again.
Mexicans/Hispanics never fail to amaze me because they just never seem to get punch drunk ???
Warrior number ONE imo.
O0
Love and a CC to the baby H fella ;)
I find it hard to see anyone beating a prime Pryor at his best. The guy was an absolute aminal. Could walk though anybody. His candle didnt burn long, and I'd rate several on list higher due to longevity, but Pryor was just flat out brutal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
A brilliant technician and good puncher like Arguello got steamrolled by Pryor twice. Pryor was ducked like crazy. Greats like Leonard and Hearns wanted nothing to do with him.
You know I really never thought much about that... But it's a very good point. I have a hard time thinking of one instance where a good Mexican fighter was badly hurt or wobbled, they always seem to take punishment incredibly well. I wouldn't have Chavez at no.1 on a p4p basis, but he probably does have the best resume strictly at 140 pounds.. He beat some good fighters like TAylor and Frankie Randall while champ at 140, and has quite a few defences...Pryor campaigned their for most of his career but the only meaningful name on his record is ARguello who was not a 140 lb fighter at all. Whittaker would have beaten everyone on the list though imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
Arguello twice but sadly (imo) he never got in with the real elite fighters of his era to be really tested.
Not saying it's his fault but it begs the question...What if?
Cheers bruv ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
JCC or Kostya, who before he faught Hatton was god of all that was 10 stoney.
PBF
Thats an underinformed opinion. I think that guys who jumped weights cannot be called one of the greatest x-weights. Thats not becuase they're not greats, they belong under a different category, as in greatest of all time, they're more special. Guys like Ray Robinosn, Duran, ODLH, and obviously the above mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeboxing
I was in my 30s when Pryor was at his best. Which great Light welter did he beat, I honestly cant see what the fuss is all about with him. Would somebody please explain
Looking at Pryor in terms of boxing skill, I agree with you that he was not special in that regard. overall I'd rate some of the fighters on the list higher than him. But for a short stretch of Pryor's career in the early 80's, I think he could of beat anybody. To me it looked like there was no stopping the guy. Regardless of what was thrown at him he'd walk right through it. The relentless pressure Pryor applied was unreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
More than once when Pryor was fighting back then, I'd let out one those Monty Python King Aurther cries of "JEEEEEESUS CHRIST". :laugh:
True, Pryor doesnt have any great light welters on his list, but there was talk back then of Pryor moving to 147 for fights with Leonard and Hearns. Tommy and Ray wouldnt even acknowledge the guy. I dont think they wanted any part of him, and I think Tommy had enough of Pryor in the amatuers. I'm not say he'd beat Ray or Tommy, but I dont either wanted any part of him.
I have a link somewhere of the fight between Hearns and Pryor at 132 when they were amatuers. If you're interested I'll put it up for you. :)
Here is the link to the amatuer Pryor/Hearns fight. It doesnt prove anything in regards to this thread, but its still fun to watch.
http://www.supreme-boxing.com/2006/1...yor-vs-hearns/
CC mate ;)
I guess my screename kind of gives away who I'm going to choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Pernell didn't spend too much time at 140, but he beat Chavez (the only people who don't think he won are those two judges) in front of an overwhelmingly pro-Chavez crowd.
Tszyu is a great puncher, but Pernell would've outboxed him. He would never have walked in to a big right like Judah did.
Whitaker-Mayweather would be an amazing matchup. Neither of those guys ever fought someone who could match their speed, it would be great to see them face each other. It would be really close, but I'll always take the southpaw who's committed to the jab over the conventional fighter who relies more on hooks and crosses.
I'm too young to know much about Pryor or Benitez, but from the limited clips I've seen of Pryor, Pernell would've outboxed him in my opinion.
And the thing people never mention about Pernell is what a great chin he had. He never had to show it in his prime because he never got hit. But he was a bloated, drug abusing 35-year-old when he fought Tito, and he absorbed all of Tito's best punches for 12 rounds.
Cheers right cross Ive got it, it was man against boy at feather.
The thing about Pernell and this applys to that sought of Boxer he stopped the other guy from fighting, and it doesnt go down well with the general public or people who dont know boxing. You only seem to get one every generation like him, to keep reminding us of what boxing is all about skill first and formost. Every boxer would love to have his skills but they never will, he could stand on a dime and make you miss. Which he had to not being a puncher, a joy to watch
I saw the title of the thread and hoped I would be able to give a Sweet Pea shout out. In a prime P4P fight against anybody ever to fight at 140, I will take Sweet Pea to win. He was an absolute marvel to watch. I mean mindblowing. There have been plenty greater fighters who have fought in the boxing game (in terms of victories and stuff) but he was in the mold with Robinson, Ali, Leonard, De La Hoya and all the other boxers who you just had to watch everytime out.
If you want to see one of the greatest displays of boxing master class, watch the McGirt - Whitaker fights. Much is made of Buddy as a trainer but he was a hell of a boxer, a pure boxer and he got boxed circles around.
Great point. Two classically trained boxers going against one another and showing off all their skills. Just great pure sweet science. McGirt started off strong both times, but by the late rounds Pernell reduced him to target practice, especially the second time. Those may have been Pernell's best performances, better than the Chavez fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Kostya Tszyu was the best Jr Welterweight Champion ever.. in my opinion. J C Chavez is right there in the pocket at a close 2nd. O0 Ricky Hatton could close the gap in a few years. I love Hatton's balls to the wall, mauling style. Ricky brings it 100% for the entire stretch of the match !Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I've been thinking about this and isn't Tszyu over rated? I don't really see any big names on his resume,more decent fighters but that's it.Someone fill me in!
How about I show you!!! ;)
8)
Kosta was the best amatuer I had seen, well one of them.Probably not a good idea him staying in Australia he didnt evolve like he should have. He was a typical American fighter, out of Russia
kostya tzsyu=the best of all time.
As far as ranking a fighter based on the career he had at 140 then yeah Chavez without a doubt.
But Pernell and Pryor are in equal contetion IMO.