Cotto vs Mayweather (discuss)

IMO, I think Cotto is the real deal and may have what it takes to get by Mayweather. It's almost impossible to break down PBF's defence but I think if someone can hit him HARD enough, it may crack...and I think Cotto may be the right person to do it. Opponents who have fought Cotto can easily testify he hits EXTREMELY hard and has good hand speed as well. I know people will bring up his chin against Torres and Corely...but we can't forget the fact that although he was hurt in those fights, he DID finish by stopping of them. Torres was a KO specialist (40 fights, 38 by KO...something like that) and Cotto clearly underestimated him but having said that, he was still able to stop Torres (yes, I know...he's not a well known fighter).

Well IMO, I think Cotto is just a few fights away from being able to step up to Mayweather...Unfortunately, I don't think PBF will be around when he's ready...kind of sad as that is one bout I would have loved to see.

What do you all think?

If PBF took a decent hard shot I think he would go down. Why do you think he works so hard on defence both at range and on the inside? As soon as someone gets on the inside he ties one glove down by his waist and shoves his glove in their face and holds them there till the ref splits them. A decent strong fighter will just smash away at him in that situation. Hatton or Cotto have a great chance.....but thats only if they can catch him.

I think a fight between Cotto and Mayweather would be similar to Cotto vs. Malignaggi in many ways. First, Cotto will be much stronger than Floyd. Cotto can hurt Floyd to the body and to the head. Cotto walked through the jabs and punches that Paulie threw at him. With that being said, Floyd has much better ring generalship than Paulie. Floyd has much better accuracy than Paulie. Floyd will hit Cotto in the face more than Paulie did. Floyd has much better defense than Paulie. On the other hand, Cotto can box much better than Baldomir. Cotto has faster hand speed than Baldomir. These last two comments mean that Cotto will hit Floyd more than Baldomir did. Yet, Cotto won't be able to hit Floyd in the face consistently. Cotto's only chance is to hit Floyd everywhere-body, arms, chest, during the clinches-and hope that this slows down Floyd in the later rounds. But if I had to pick, I would go with Floyd in a tough 12 round decision. The fight should definitely be tougher for Mayweather than the Baldomir fight. But I can't give Cotto the fight because Floyd has proven to be unbeatable (though he really hasn't fought a real strong welterweight yet).

A feeling tells me Cotto will surprise Ko PBF but I'd go with common sense and say lopsided ( not as much as Baldomir ) decision for PBF. It would be a similar fight to Castillo vs PBf but Pbf is much better now than before

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Originally Posted by Rican

I think a fight between Cotto and Mayweather would be similar to Cotto vs. Malignaggi in many ways. First, Cotto will be much stronger than Floyd. Cotto can hurt Floyd to the body and to the head. Cotto walked through the jabs and punches that Paulie threw at him. With that being said, Floyd has much better ring generalship than Paulie. Floyd has much better accuracy than Paulie. Floyd will hit Cotto in the face more than Paulie did. Floyd has much better defense than Paulie. On the other hand, Cotto can box much better than Baldomir. Cotto has faster hand speed than Baldomir. These last two comments mean that Cotto will hit Floyd more than Baldomir did. Yet, Cotto won't be able to hit Floyd in the face consistently. Cotto's only chance is to hit Floyd everywhere-body, arms, chest, during the clinches-and hope that this slows down Floyd in the later rounds. But if I had to pick, I would go with Floyd in a tough 12 round decision. The fight should definitely be tougher for Mayweather than the Baldomir fight. But I can't give Cotto the fight because Floyd has proven to be unbeatable (though he really hasn't fought a real strong welterweight yet).

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I think comparing Malignagi and MAyweather is criminal. Also Baldomir was a real strong welterweight, thats' basically all he was though. Still Cotto has yet to prove he will even be effective at 147. Most everything else you said was true though, and I agree completely that Cottos only chance would be to apply constant pressure and wear Floyd down. However I think to do this he would leave himself way to open, to often. CC for the breakdown though.

To even think that PBF would have the nuts to step in with Cotto is rediculous.
Let PBF retire. Cotto would bust up PBF.
Huge advantage goes to Cotto in a small ring.
PBF would run in a big ring like we have never seen him run before in his career. He ran from Baldi all night long and Baldi was old and has no pep to his pop. Cotto would own PBF and Cotto is going to own Quintana in just a few days. PBF better get out while he still can. Both Margarito and Cotto want the running man something bad.

The fact that PBF is fighting an old Oscar De La Hoya proves nothing.

When will PBF face a young strong prospect Contender? He wasted 4 or 5 years beating old fighters. When was the last time he stepped in the ring with a real honest to goodness threat? Name the fighter you folks think was the biggest threat in Floyds career.

Castillo? Corrales? How long ago has that been?

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

To even think that PBF would have the nuts to step in with Cotto is rediculous.
Let PBF retire. Cotto would bust up PBF.
Huge advantage goes to Cotto in a small ring.
PBF would run in a big ring like we have never seen him run before in his career. He ran from Baldi all night long and Baldi was old and has no pep to his pop. Cotto would own PBF and Cotto is going to own Quintana in just a few days. PBF better get out while he still can. Both Margarito and Cotto want the running man something bad.

The fact that PBF is fighting an old Oscar De La Hoya proves nothing.

When will PBF face a young strong prospect Contender? He wasted 4 or 5 years beating old fighters. When was the last time he stepped in the ring with a real honest to goodness threat? Name the fighter you folks think was the biggest threat in Floyds career.

Castillo? Corrales? How long ago has that been?

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Cotto would not be able to beat Judah.

He strggled like hell against an unkown in Torres, a guy who even though he won last weekend showed that he is barely a step up from a journeyman.

Cotto will have his hands full getting past Quintana, even if he wins all he will see is the smoke and dust of Mayweather's train moving up to 154 to fight a true and proven p4p fighter in De La Hoya.

Good thread to start.

Should work up plenty of hate. ;D

Here's one thing to consider...Cotto mentioned Floyd only breifly a year or so ago.

He sat in ringside for Mayweather vs Bruseles.

Bruseles was one of Cotto's sparring partner. Mayweather was waaaaaay ahead by the 8th round when Floyd hammered him out & knocked Bruseles down twice before the fight was stopped.

Admittedly...Cotto was there to scope out Floyd...apparently he didn't dig on what he saw that night...because he hasn't made to much of a fuss about him sense.

I'm a HUGE Cotto fan & a HUGE Floyd fan & I can honestly say that this fight is about on the same level as the Oscar Floyd fight for me...I just don't want to see it.

I truly don't think that Cotto could deal with the speed & defense of Floyd.

As far as Cotto's power...I think Floyd has the chin to take it...but the question would fall to the body shots...could Flody take em?

Who knows.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Good thread to start.

Should work up plenty of hate. ;D

Here's one thing to consider...Cotto mentioned Floyd only breifly a year or so ago.

He sat in ringside for Mayweather vs Bruseles.

Bruseles was one of Cotto's sparring partner. Mayweather was waaaaaay ahead by the 8th round when Floyd hammered him out & knocked Bruseles down twice before the fight was stopped.

Admittedly...Cotto was there to scope out Floyd...apparently he didn't dig on what he saw that night...because he hasn't made to much of a fuss about him sense.

I'm a HUGE Cotto fan & a HUGE Floyd fan & I can honestly say that this fight is about on the same level as the Oscar Floyd fight for me...I just don't want to see it.

I truly don't think that Cotto could deal with the speed & defense of Floyd.

As far as Cotto's power...I think Floyd has the chin to take it...but the question would fall to the body shots...could Flody take em?

Who knows.

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Good post Wacko...I'd CC you but I'm not at 100 posts yet. Anyhow, that's why I was slightly leaning towards Cotto...POWER. You know for a fact Cotto will prepare like hell for this fight meaning he will tighten up his defence. We all know Cotto throw a punch and hits EXTREMELY hard which is why I think he has what it takes to breakdown PBF. I honestly don't think PBF would be able to a clean shot to the chin by Cotto or at least not hurt him. Cotto comes into the ring at 160+ I beleive and is very comfortable at that weight. I would definetely love to see this fight as I do beleive Cotto has "a shot" at beating PBF. Breaking through PBF may not be possible straight up but if he bangs the body the way he knows how...you might start seeing PBF's hands slowly get lower as the fight would go on. Cotto's POWER shots would be the key to this fight if it ever happens.

My second post in this thread it would be after saturday. ;)

I think Mayweather wins a 12 R dec in a big ring.. 24-26 foot... however in a standard ring 16- 18 foot.. Cotto wins via knockout. I believe that ring size is a huge factor in any Mayweather fight.. The more Real Estate Floyd has to work with, the less chance his opponent will be able to cut him off and force exchanges. O0

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Good thread to start.

Should work up plenty of hate. ;D

Here's one thing to consider...Cotto mentioned Floyd only breifly a year or so ago.

He sat in ringside for Mayweather vs Bruseles.

Bruseles was one of Cotto's sparring partner. Mayweather was waaaaaay ahead by the 8th round when Floyd hammered him out & knocked Bruseles down twice before the fight was stopped.

Admittedly...Cotto was there to scope out Floyd...apparently he didn't dig on what he saw that night...because he hasn't made to much of a fuss about him sense.

I'm a HUGE Cotto fan & a HUGE Floyd fan & I can honestly say that this fight is about on the same level as the Oscar Floyd fight for me...I just don't want to see it.

I truly don't think that Cotto could deal with the speed & defense of Floyd.

As far as Cotto's power...I think Floyd has the chin to take it...but the question would fall to the body shots...could Flody take em?

Who knows.

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Good post Wacko...I'd CC you but I'm not at 100 posts yet. Anyhow, that's why I was slightly leaning towards Cotto...POWER. You know for a fact Cotto will prepare like hell for this fight meaning he will tighten up his defence. We all know Cotto throw a punch and hits EXTREMELY hard which is why I think he has what it takes to breakdown PBF. I honestly don't think PBF would be able to a clean shot to the chin by Cotto or at least not hurt him. Cotto comes into the ring at 160+ I beleive and is very comfortable at that weight. I would definetely love to see this fight as I do beleive Cotto has "a shot" at beating PBF. Breaking through PBF may not be possible straight up but if he bangs the body the way he knows how...you might start seeing PBF's hands slowly get lower as the fight would go on. Cotto's POWER shots would be the key to this fight if it ever happens.

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people said the same thing about gatti..

I like Cotto and I think he may be the second best welter in the world, which says a lot because it is the toughest division right now, but I dont see him beating Mayweather right now or soon. The power would not be a factor as PBF puts on another virtuoso boxing performance.

I don't think they want to fight each other.
I think that Cotto is everything Mayweather hates in a fighter and vice versa.
Mayweather has great defence and speed. On the other hand I have seen a few fights where Cotto's opponents seemed to be blocking most of Cotto's punches, but his power seemed to get through and still create a welt their faces. Pretty Boys usually don't like to get marked up. I am a fan of both, but a bigger Cotto fan, so my heart would say that Cotto would win, but I would be nervous as hell to watch the fight.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

To even think that PBF would have the nuts to step in with Cotto is rediculous.
Let PBF retire. Cotto would bust up PBF.
Huge advantage goes to Cotto in a small ring.
PBF would run in a big ring like we have never seen him run before in his career. He ran from Baldi all night long and Baldi was old and has no pep to his pop. Cotto would own PBF and Cotto is going to own Quintana in just a few days. PBF better get out while he still can. Both Margarito and Cotto want the running man something bad.

The fact that PBF is fighting an old Oscar De La Hoya proves nothing.

When will PBF face a young strong prospect Contender? He wasted 4 or 5 years beating old fighters. When was the last time he stepped in the ring with a real honest to goodness threat? Name the fighter you folks think was the biggest threat in Floyds career.

Castillo? Corrales? How long ago has that been?

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Cotto would not be able to beat Judah.

He strggled like hell against an unkown in Torres, a guy who even though he won last weekend showed that he is barely a step up from a journeyman.

Cotto will have his hands full getting past Quintana, even if he wins all he will see is the smoke and dust of Mayweather's train moving up to 154 to fight a true and proven p4p fighter in De La Hoya.

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Cotto would beat the crap out of Judah.
You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.

This past September in Atlantic City, Cotto was initially set to fight Gianluca Branco, however, when that bout was cancelled the lightly regarded Colombian 140-pounder Ricardo "Mochuelo" Torres stepped in as a late replacement. The fight was a war and Cotto was put to the test against the hard charging Colombian. Cotto elected to bang with a banger and as a result he ended up climbing off the deck before eventually stopping the hard punching Mr. Torres on a seventh round knockout that featured enough fireworks to put Disneyland to shame. Cotto dropped Torres four times but the challenger repeatedly buzzed and rocked the Puerto Rican world champion with return fire, before he was eventually cornered and dispatched with a searing five shot volley to the head. Cotto landed one final left hook to the chin that dropped Torres to his hands and his knees and referee David Fields, counted out the Colombian at 1:42 of the seventh round. Cotto came out firing nasty left hooks to the body at the opening bell of the first round and chopping right hands to the skull, as if he was double parked. Torres was forced to retreat but when he stepped back inside with 1:38 to go in the opening round, Cotto nailed him with another short counter right hand followed by a laser-like left hook to the chin. Torres hit the deck hard on his backside but was up quickly at the count of four, as he scrambled to his feet with a look of resolve on his face. Cotto marched the challenger back into the ropes but as he attempted to trade with Torres he unloaded a wicked volley of shots including a whistling right hand that caught the champion flush on the chin. The blow staggered Cotto and he bent at the waist and his knees buckled before regaining his balance. Cotto labored for a few seconds to hold on but just as quickly both men began unloading hammering punches that had the Jersey fights fans cheering the blistering action.

The world champion continued to trade with Torres early in the second round and the challenger returned to landing hammering right hands that again rocked Cotto. With 2:25 to go in the 2nd, Torres connected with a volley of shots and Cotto struggled to maintain his poise and his balance. A laser-like straight right hand caught Cotto on the point of the chin as he careened across the ring with Torres firing leather. The challenger continued to batter Cotto around the ring, as the champion simply refused to hold and clinch but elected to keep firing off flurries that Torres marched through. With 1:51 to go in the round, Torres drilled Cotto with a head snapping left hook to the chin that drove the Puerto Rican back against the ropes and momentarily resting against the third strand. Seconds later, Torres connected with another volley of punches and then he seemingly pulled the wounded champion down, as Cotto tumbled to the canvas and flat on his back. Cotto rolled over at the count of three, gesturing to the referee Fields that he had been pushed to the floor but it went into the books as an official knockdown. Torres returned to teeing off on the champion and Cotto looked like he might be headed to the deck for a second time, as the underdog repeatedly connected with clean right hands to the head. Just as suddenly with 47-seconds remaining in the 2nd, Torres walked straight into a classic counter right hand to the chin that wobbled the Colombian. Both men hammered away while the deafening sound of the Jersey fight fans turned the Boardwalk Hall into a larger version of Philly's venerable Blue Horizon.

Cotto shifted his attack downstairs and bounced a half dozen shearing shots of the Colombian's midsection. At the bell both fighters were hurt and the crowd stood and cheered the warriors for a solid thirty-seconds. Cotto seemed to be the fresher fighter in his corner and when the action resumed in the 3rd, the champion returned to hammering away at Torres' body. At the 2-minute mark, Cotto sank a left hook into Torres' right hip and he dropped his gloves to try and get some life back into his arms and body. In the next exchange, Cotto fired and landed another whistling left hook that again caught the challenger on the beltline. Torres turned his back and slowly walked to the neutral corner while covering his groin. The referee Fields called time, as Torres dropped to one knee with his gloves holding onto the ropes and spitting blood down on the sky blue canvas. After a 30-second delay the action resumed and Cotto went back to hammering away with digging and ripping left hooks to the belly and liver. Two more searing left hooks to the body forced Torres to hit reverse gear. With 1:20 remaining in the round, Cotto dropped low for the third time with a hard hook to the hip. Torres again walked away while dropping his gloves and the referee Fields called time and issued his second warning. The champion kicked into overdrive and went after Torres with ruthless intent while hammering away with viscous left hooks to the belly and the beltline. Cotto was relentless and he battered the challenger around the ring and against the ropes while nailing the Colombian with punishing left hooks upstairs and downstairs.

Cotto went back to dropping slightly to his left and punishing Torres with brutal left hooks to the body in the fourth round. There was a savage beauty to Cotto's precision, as he rocketed searing shots off of Torres's right flank. At the 1:37 mark of the 4th, Cotto sank a right hand just under Torres' heart and then doubled up with two clean left hooks to the chest that sounded like someone banging on a drum. At the 1:02 mark of the round, Cotto caught Torres against the ropes and hammered away with yet another low left hook on the beltline. Torres pitched forward face first in a delayed reaction, coming to a stop on his hands and his knees in the center of the ring. It was the second knockdown of the night for Torres and the blood began to drain from his face. Cotto closed out the round with several more scalding left hooks followed by crisp right crosses, as the champion began to pull away while punishing the Colombian. Torres was still very dangerous and with 1:55 to go in the 5th, he drilled the champion with a rapid-fire three-shot combination to the chin. A right hand to the jaw rocked Cotto and suddenly the Colombian was back in the action firing hard blasts. Cotto dropped his gloves and rocked back on his heels while the boxing fight fans cheered the high velocity mayhem. With 1:24 remaining in the 5th, Torres connected with yet another volley that dazed the champion and drove him back against the ropes and struggling to remain upright. Torres battered the champion along the ropes and again Cotto seemed one flurry away from being driven into the canvas. At the 32-second mark of the round, Torres snapped Cotto's head straight back after landing a crushing right cross to the chin. Blood began pouring from the champion's mouth, as he retreated back across the ring with Torres firing lasers at his skull. Both men continued to fire scalding shots with bad intentions in the sixth round.

However, Cotto's relentless body attack had worn Torres down, and as the champion continued to hammer away Torres' hopes and chances of winning began to erode just like the ribs on the right side of his torso. Cotto had an extra gear and he never eased off the throttle while hammering away at a fading challenger. At the 16-second mark of the 6th, the champion tagged Torres with a brutal counter right cross flush on the jaw. The champion rocked Torres back on his heels, as his body swayed and then he dropped to the floor in the center of the ring. With his head bowed and down on one knee, Torres slowly regained his feet at the count of five. However, his earlier look of determination was slowly vanishing. Torres' third trip to the floor was crushing his determination and he had no answer for Cotto's blistering firepower. Remarkably, Torres rallied briefly to open the seventh round and he again buzzed the champion with whipsaw right hand to the head that snapped Cotto's skull sideways. Both men returned to nailing each other with stunning punches and many of the 10,137 paying customers screamed their endorsement. Cotto turned it up another notch and after landing his jab and his left hook to the ribs, Torres finally began to fade. With 1:24 to go in the 7th, Cotto drove Torres back into the corner and then pulled the trigger on another hammering five-shot combination to the head and body. Cotto landed a final left hook to the challenger's face and Torres dropped for the final time at the champion's feet. Curled up on the canvas in obvious pain, Torres was left in a praying position with no one to answer his prayers except the referee Fields' ten-count. The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

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Originally Posted by lb4lb

Cotto's opponents seemed to be blocking most of Cotto's punches, but his power seemed to get through and still create a welt their faces.

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And that's EXACTLY what I'm referring to...Because of Cotto's devasting power and nice hand speed, he doesn't have to neccesarily hit clean. His last 2 figths, (Branco and Malignaggi) both were busted up REAL bad. Both look like they were hit by a train. Again, I think Cotto's power punches (even if they didn't land clean) would eventually have mayweather lowering his hands covering his body...again, this IMHO...
This is actually a dream fight for me to see...Albeit I'm a HUGE Cotto fan...but seriously speaking, I think Cotto has the devasting power punches to do the job.

Oh and by the way, just because Zab gave Floyd trouble in the early rounds don't mean he would give Cotto any trouble. You remember what KT did to Zab in the second round? The samething would happen to Zab if he got in there with Cotto.

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Cotto's a great young prospect, but he would be in over his head against Mayweather. All the talk for Cotto is about his power and strength. Power is a great weapon, but not as great as speed, defense, and technique. Cotto has been successful by relentlessly attacking the body of his opponent. That's a highly effective strategy 99% of the time, but a consistent body attack doesn't work when you're facing a guy who can't be hit consistently.

Floyd is just entirely too fast and smart for Cotto. I see a Mayweather-Cotto fight playing out in a similar fashion to the Mayweather-Corrales fight. Power isn't valuable if you can't land anything. Mayweather's not going to lose at 147 (where he would fight Cotto) until his reflexes have diminished to the point where he is easy to hit. That's still a few years off at least.

Everytime Floyd faces a rugged opponent, everyone talks about how the opponent is going to shock Floyd with power punches. And then everytime, Floyd gives the guy a boxing lesson. Speed/experience > power, everytime.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

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Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal. ;)

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Good thread to start.

Should work up plenty of hate. ;D

Here's one thing to consider...Cotto mentioned Floyd only breifly a year or so ago.

He sat in ringside for Mayweather vs Bruseles.

Bruseles was one of Cotto's sparring partner. Mayweather was waaaaaay ahead by the 8th round when Floyd hammered him out & knocked Bruseles down twice before the fight was stopped.

Admittedly...Cotto was there to scope out Floyd...apparently he didn't dig on what he saw that night...because he hasn't made to much of a fuss about him sense.

I'm a HUGE Cotto fan & a HUGE Floyd fan & I can honestly say that this fight is about on the same level as the Oscar Floyd fight for me...I just don't want to see it.

I truly don't think that Cotto could deal with the speed & defense of Floyd.

As far as Cotto's power...I think Floyd has the chin to take it...but the question would fall to the body shots...could Flody take em?

Who knows.

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Good post Wacko...I'd CC you but I'm not at 100 posts yet. Anyhow, that's why I was slightly leaning towards Cotto...POWER. You know for a fact Cotto will prepare like hell for this fight meaning he will tighten up his defence. We all know Cotto throw a punch and hits EXTREMELY hard which is why I think he has what it takes to breakdown PBF. I honestly don't think PBF would be able to a clean shot to the chin by Cotto or at least not hurt him. Cotto comes into the ring at 160+ I beleive and is very comfortable at that weight. I would definetely love to see this fight as I do beleive Cotto has "a shot" at beating PBF. Breaking through PBF may not be possible straight up but if he bangs the body the way he knows how...you might start seeing PBF's hands slowly get lower as the fight would go on. Cotto's POWER shots would be the key to this fight if it ever happens.

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:coolclick: either way.

Like I said...good thread.

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

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Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal. ;)

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

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Well I threw that out there to see if anyone is actually reading. I see you are. Kudos.
What can I say about Cotto and his performance against Torres? I thought it was awesome. Cotto was willing to trade with a decent puncher and make it a war. I enjoyed it very much. I also enjoyed how he handled himself everytime he did get rocked. He shows alot of smarts and heart.

There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

Cotto is going to have to go back to being more patient and pound Quintana to the body. I have watched some of Cotto's sparring and it looks like he is going to box more using the ring and trying to counter. Look for Quintana to be the aggresor at least in the early rounds. Cotto should have his man ready, soft and tender by the 8th and hopefully we see some even more brutal left hooks to the head, arms and liver. Looks like Carlos has the height and reach advantange so let's see if Cotto can out box him. If he can't, it will be a war and some one is getting knocked out early as Cotto will have to become the aggresor and do battle toe to toe and on the inside. There is a lot at stake for both men. May the best fighter win. I am sure we will not be let down with this fight.

Prediction? Cotto stops Quintana in the 11th.

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Oh and let's see what Velocity has to offer. Remember Cotto likes to take rounds off usually like the 4th or 5th ;D

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Originally Posted by Danny_G

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

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Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal. ;)

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

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Well I threw that out there to see if anyone is actually reading. I see you are. Kudos.
What can I say about Cotto and his performance against Torres? I thought it was awesome. Cotto was willing to trade with a decent puncher and make it a war. I enjoyed it very much. I also enjoyed how he handled himself everytime he did get rocked. He shows alot of smarts and heart.

There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

Cotto is going to have to go back to being more patient and pound Quintana to the body. I have watched some of Cotto's sparring and it looks like he is going to box more using the ring and trying to counter. Look for Quintana to be the aggresor at least in the early rounds. Cotto should have his man ready, soft and tender by the 8th and hopefully we see some even more brutal left hooks to the head, arms and liver. Looks like Carlos has the height and reach advantange so let's see if Cotto can out box him. If he can't, it will be a war and some one is getting knocked out early as Cotto will have to become the aggresor and do battle toe to toe and on the inside. There is a lot at stake for both men. May the best fighter win. I am sure we will not be let down with this fight.

Prediction? Cotto stops Quintana in the 11th.

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Oh and let's see what Velocity has to offer. Remember Cotto likes to take rounds off usually like the 4th or 5th ;D

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Ya right in what ya say regards to Cotto taking time out in fights, some say thats down to his stamina and the how hard it is for him to boil down to LWW. Now he is fighting at welter this should not be the case, and i have read somewhere that he is now training and looking like he can and will fight for 3 mins of every round he is in there. I hope so as im a fan of Cotto and to see him throw his combo's for the full 3 mins will be a joy to watch 8)

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There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

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Agreed. If Cotto's gonna make this work...he's gotta think back to the Sosa & Bailey shots.

Cotto's gotta remember his cover up & push pattern. Keep his guard up, be patient, crack the body, & all will come together.

Honestly...I was most impressed with the Sosa fight...more than any. That was total focus & complete patience coupled with control. Everytime Cotto cracked his ribs...down came his hands & back went Sosa's neck with a snap.

He needs to approach Quintana the same way...just a bit more cautiously & patiently. Make no mistake...Quintana aint here to lie down & he'll make it as hard on Cotto as possible.

My issue is this...& it's the same with Mayweather...no matter who Floyd or Cotto fight...it's never good enough due to the hype machines that they both are. Mind, body, & soul Cotto was totally focused up to his 20th fight & then he started listening to his hometown crowds & HBO's bullshit about need another Tito...& plain & simple...he got stupid. I respect Floyd & I respect Cotto...but in the ring...they are two totally different animals now. If Cotto can get back to his proper mentallity...147lbs is about to get a serious gut & head check & IWO...the top two will fall in line as Floyd & Cotto.

Now...back to Quintana...before I get ahead of meself!

Not only does Carlos have a height and reach slight over Cotto...he's faster in my opinion & currently the better boxer...again, unless Cotto screws his head back on as before. Honestly, old Cotto could have out boxed him...but old Cotto was smarter & faster @ 140lbs...or balooning up to 145-146 the day of.

I think in the end it all boils down to Cotto's mindset. Box...or be stupid.

Being stupid ends in a Quintana SD...boxing...Cotto by late TKO.

Yeppers...I gotta shift my prediction here near the end...to...just not sure.

But leaning towards Cotto...I never bet against Miquel...until he faces Floyd.

i pick mayweather to win a UD over cotto. only cos i dont think cotto is busy enough to beat mayweather. but he might set a higher pace at welter though i'll have to wait and see.

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i pick mayweather to win a UD over cotto. only cos i dont think cotto is busy enough to beat mayweather. but he might set a higher pace at welter though i'll have to wait and see.

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Excellent points,CC. Cotto says his stamina is better and if it is,he is going to be a REAL handful for anyone at 147 but I think PBF would be a bit too tough. It's the styles,ALTHOUGH if Cotto could get the right ring side and trap PBF on the ropes,he COULD damage him. Cotto would certainly be the best body puncher he's faced. I don't know,I'd have to see Cotto at 147 but I think we can all UNANIMOUSLY agree that it would be tougher than any of PBF's other fights he has had at 147....

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Cotto's opponents seemed to be blocking most of Cotto's punches, but his power seemed to get through and still create a welt their faces.

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And that's EXACTLY what I'm referring to...Because of Cotto's devasting power and nice hand speed, he doesn't have to neccesarily hit clean. His last 2 figths, (Branco and Malignaggi) both were busted up REAL bad. Both look like they were hit by a train. Again, I think Cotto's power punches (even if they didn't land clean) would eventually have mayweather lowering his hands covering his body...again, this IMHO...
This is actually a dream fight for me to see...Albeit I'm a HUGE Cotto fan...but seriously speaking, I think Cotto has the devasting power punches to do the job.

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Don't forget Mohamad Abdulaev. That dude seemed to grow a second head during the fight.

Title: Cotto vs Mayweather (discuss)


I take it this is what PBF is looking forward to, a fight against Cotto since ODLH will wipe the canvas with his white furry trunks.... 8)

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I take it this is what PBF is looking forward to, a fight against Cotto since ODLH will wipe the canvas with his white furry trunks.... 8)

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Oh waaaaaaaah.

As soon as we see a picture below on your sig with Floyd & "Dr. Fudge-Em's & his Mega Shades"...that'll all change. ;D

if malignaggi had as much success as he did against cotto, mayweather would beat cotto down to a puddle

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Agreed...Floyd's got better reflexes & he's a helluvah lot faster.

I truly believe that Cotto don't want none of Mayweather. I always have thought that & I always will...the problem is...as with a lot of these recent matches...I have to pick between two of my favorites...& that's a tuffy...but I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

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I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

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What if he breaks them?

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Agreed...Floyd's got better reflexes & he's a helluvah lot faster.

I truly believe that Cotto don't want none of Mayweather. I always have thought that & I always will...the problem is...as with a lot of these recent matches...I have to pick between two of my favorites...& that's a tuffy...but I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

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CC Wack, Ive already given you one today but in 24... It's kind of pathetic how noone even considers that Cotto/Arum don't want anything to do with Mayweather anytime soon, instead its "Floyd would never have the balls to face Cotto".... What a pile of shit... Miguel is the one who's under Bob Arum, and why the hell would he want his best rising star to fight the man who he hates, who left him... It's such BS... Mayweather would easily outbox Cotto imo, it's the kind of fight wherre there is no basis to be made upon previous opponents, because Cotto hasn't fought anyone who is hallf the boxer Floyd is, and I mean that literally.

Obviously Cotto could only win by KO and I just cant see Floyd getting caught by too many of his big shots, plus cotto would seriously get tired later in the later rounds, the only chance he has of beating Floyd is a KO before round 5 IMO

Tough one - very good opinions so far from everybody.

It would seem that everyone considers Floyd the best - but that given the right set of circumstances, Cotto could prevail...

I know we talk about how Malignaggi 'is no Floyd' - but how would them 2 go at each other, PM V PBF? ? Paulie albeit lacking in power, is certainly game enough and with good speed and combo's? sure i see Floyd taking the lion's share of the rounds off him, but Paulie would still be there at the 12th.

Now, Floyd against Cotto would be case of 'can Cotto handle a jab landing in his face all night long & everytime he gets close to unload, Floyd has gone?' - would Cotto snap with frustration? IMO Cotto is one of the most patient fighters around and patience could be the key.

I think if Cotto bid his time throughout the first 2 or 3 rounds whilst getting Floyd to expend energy and conserved himself for an all-out assault from round 6 onwards, he could score a brutal KO - as Cotto carries more weaponary than Castillo who also pressed the action.

He would have to sucker Floyd in to believing what was in front of him 'was not all that' for a few rounds and hope that Floyd goes through his bag of tricks - then jump on him from all angles.

But, credit to Floyd, the truth & reality is i see Floyd taking round after round after round until he's won by points.

The only thing that could change things, is if Cotto can suddenly throw 50% more leather at 147 and up his work rate, instead of fighting in bursts.

"Now, Floyd against Cotto would be case of 'can Cotto handle a jab landing in his face all night long & everytime he gets close to unload, Floyd has gone?' - would Cotto snap with frustration? IMO Cotto is one of the most patient fighters around and patience could be the key. "

I think that basically sums the fight up mate, I just dont think Cotto can handle that kind of sustained punishment, Floyd would land all night long and Cotto isnt that hard to hit. And if you're not hard to hit being in the ring with mayweather really is entirely wrong place to be..I think floyd would stop Cotto, more through exhaustion than a flat out KO

mayweather all day long.

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I will never doubt of Cotto Again even if he faces PBF .P. Williamd no matter who of course I wanted for Cotto to win but I did have my doubts, but DAAAAMNN if he is the mean in 147 I see Cotto killing Williams and of course Margarito. I say Williams can cause and upset against Margarito.


I want Judah - Cotto

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I will never doubt of Cotto Again even if he faces PBF .P. Williamd no matter who of course I wanted for Cotto to win but I did have my doubts, but DAAAAMNN if he is the mean in 147 I see Cotto killing Williams and of course Margarito. I say Williams can cause and upset against Margarito.


I want Judah - Cotto

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I agree. O0

i give it to cotto hands down. mayweather will not be able to handle the power of cotto. i want to see this fight real soon cus i give it to the 6th round for cotto to bury mayweather. his gladiator outfit might have helped him againist the slow carlos, but not cotto. hes looking good in the 147 class so all i have to say goodnight mayweather.

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if malignaggi had as much success as he did against cotto, mayweather would beat cotto down to a puddle

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Agreed...Floyd's got better reflexes & he's a helluvah lot faster.

I truly believe that Cotto don't want none of Mayweather. I always have thought that & I always will...the problem is...as with a lot of these recent matches...I have to pick between two of my favorites...& that's a tuffy...but I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

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CC Wack, Ive already given you one today but in 24... It's kind of pathetic how noone even considers that Cotto/Arum don't want anything to do with Mayweather anytime soon, instead its "Floyd would never have the balls to face Cotto".... What a pile of S***... Miguel is the one who's under Bob Arum, and why the hell would he want his best rising star to fight the man who he hates, who left him... It's such BS... Mayweather would easily outbox Cotto imo, it's the kind of fight wherre there is no basis to be made upon previous opponents, because Cotto hasn't fought anyone who is hallf the boxer Floyd is, and I mean that literally.

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:coolclick: right back & I totally agree 100%! Arum will not try to make this match...legitly for real...he might talk the talk & get them to walk the walk...but when it comes down to the last step...he'd pull out his guy...somehow...injury or some shit.


Sorry about ht e Typing errors people. I'm a bit lit up intoxicated. Went out with the wife & her boss & about 12 other fine women. The wife manages a salon for this rich cat...took us all to Kanpai Japaneses steak house & through his own generosity stupidity...allowed us to eat & drink on him.

He wanted to cut me off at about the 4th bottle of sake but I lyingly convinced him that the four glasses were for the entire side of me table. Needless to say...he was duped into paying me bill & I got a shitload of premium left overs...Filet & Lobster, Riice, vegeatbles, & loads of luiqior.


...and as the late Great Rick James might say...or the currnet comedy chap might scream: "Cocaine is a hell of a drug...they should nevah gave you nigga's money!"

Or maybe more suitable for a moderator...this Chapelletirade comes to minde : "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-I'm rich bitch!!!"

Tough fight. Cotto will need to work on his defence a bit, but he has enough power to make Floyd a little worried.
I would say Cotto by late KO as this was what I had in my first few posts and I want to try and stick with it.