Winky: they're still ducking me

'Winky' Wright says the sport's big names are still avoiding him ahead of his clash with Ike Quartey.

The pair will meet in an intriguing showdown for fight afficianados in Florida this weekend, but for Wright the exposure could have been so much greater.

He challenged for Jermain Taylor's middleweight crown earlier this year, with the fight ending in a draw.

But instead of a rematch with Taylor or a money-spinning showdown with the likes of Oscar De La Hoya, it's the comebacking Quartey on his schedule next.

"They still ducking me," Wright (50-3-1, 25 KOs) told The Boston Globe.

"Only Ike wanted to fight me. This will be a different kind of fight than Jermain. That fight I was pressing him. He was only fighting to keep me off him. He wasn't fighting to win. Ike will bring it.

"I don't know if this is a crossroads fight for us, but they can call it what they want. I just want to prove I'm still one of the best fighters in the world. I want to show I can dominate a once great champion.

"I duck no-one. Everything I did came the hard way. Jermain I beat in his hometown. Now he doesn't want to fight me again. Ike is the only guy who would fight me. I'll do everything it takes. He better be ready to do the same. I'm not someone who's past tense."

From what I remember it was Wright who turned down the rematch with Taylor. So what the fuck is he talking about? He's also clearly over looking Quartey. And it's going to cost him. I'm taking Quartey in this fight.

To take Quartey in this fight is a suicide mission. No Way Quartey comes out with a UD.

Even though winky immediately after the loss to JT stated "i don't want a rematch, because i beat him today" there were talks for the rematch between promoters, and JT priced himself out of the fight, the percentage was unjust. JT lost that fight, and all the publicity after the fight (about how JT did not win the fight) has made it very difficult for JT to want the same Percentage as directly following the fight. The fact that JT has not won convincingly in his last 3 fights diminishes his credibility.
Saying " I'll Fight em" for 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 is the same thing as running.

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Even though winky immediately after the loss to JT stated "i don't want a rematch, because i beat him today" there were talks for the rematch between promoters, and JT priced himself out of the fight, the percentage was unjust. JT lost that fight, and all the publicity after the fight (about how JT did not win the fight) has made it very difficult for JT to want the same Percentage as directly following the fight. The fact that JT has not won convincingly in his last 3 fights diminishes his credibility.
Saying " I'll Fight em" for 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 is the same thing as running.

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i had jt up by two rounds in the fight with wright, but there were a few close rounds that could have gone either way.

winky wright didnt win.....he was fortunate to walk away with a draw

jt was willing to take a smaller percentage of the purse this time around, BUT it was winky wright who demanded parity ;)

so lets look at the facts....................

1st fight was a DRAW

taylor was willing to take a SMALLER percentage of the purse this time around (he NEVER asked for some ridiculous amount of the purse this time around, i dont know where the hell you got that nonsense from)


youre saying that his last 3 fights being close diminishes his credibility................total bs. look who his last 3 fights were with. if anything, his stock has catapulted to superstardom (espically after bernards dominating performance against tarver)




if anything, it was wright who priced himself out

Fuck Winky. I like the guy but I'm tired of hearing him talk about JT like JT ducked Winky. JT was ready to fight. And since JT is undisputed champ at 160, I didn't have a problem with him getting 55 and Winky getting 45.

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TOTAL PUNCHES THROWN: Taylor: 703 Wright: 643
CONNECTS: Taylor: 163 Wright: 226
PERCENT: Taylor: 23 Wright: 35

TOTAL JABS THROWN: Taylor: 308 Wright: 335
CONNECTS: Taylor: 41 Wright: 103
PERCENT: Taylor: 13 Wright: 31

POWER PUNCHES THROWN: Taylor: 395 Wright: 308
CONNECTS: Taylor: 122 Wright: 123
PERCENT: Taylor: 31 Wright: 40

i had winky winning by 2 rounds.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/taylor-wright2.jpg

Winky won that fight. (but its old news)
I'm interested to see the HUGE difference inpay days between JT's Fight and Winky's Fight. It better be and extra 0 somewhere, because his stock has catapulted to super stardom. :beat:

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compu-box

TOTAL PUNCHES THROWN: Taylor: 703 Wright: 643
CONNECTS: Taylor: 163 Wright: 226
PERCENT: Taylor: 23 Wright: 35

TOTAL JABS THROWN: Taylor: 308 Wright: 335
CONNECTS: Taylor: 41 Wright: 103
PERCENT: Taylor: 13 Wright: 31

POWER PUNCHES THROWN: Taylor: 395 Wright: 308
CONNECTS: Taylor: 122 Wright: 123
PERCENT: Taylor: 31 Wright: 40

i had winky winning by 2 rounds.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/taylor-wright2.jpg

Winky won that fight. (but its old news)
I'm interested to see the HUGE difference inpay days between JT's Fight and Winky's Fight. It better be and extra 0 somewhere, because his stock has catapulted to super stardom. :beat:

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you must not have been around when somebody else tried to use the compubox numbers and i put that theory to rest



heres why....................

if you saw the fight, then you know that there were 3 rounds where winky out landed jermain by a total of 40 punches (watch the fight again because they mention it and show the numbers)

i give winky those 3 rounds all day long.

but for the remaining 9 rounds, winky outlanded jermain by a total of 23 punches.

so now we have winky outlanding jermain by 23 punches which averages out to less then 3 (2. something) more punches per round.

so are seriously saying that winkys extra 2 punches a round are more effective than jermains shots? didnt think so ;)



what is it with novices trying to use compubox numbers to determine who won the fight? compubox numbers are a measure of a fighters ACTIVITY.............. not effectiveness




and its funny that you show a picture of jermain after the fight but not winky (who was way more busted up at the end)

Winky was effective in making Jermain look like Popeye

Too funny ;D

Winky won but a) he's still boring to watch and b) JT is still the bigger draw and would comand the negatiations more.

Winky's aging azz just needs to sekle down a peice and stop acting like the shot caller.

Winky, dude.. your not the money man... Thats not a Kippot on your head... Thats just your Hairline!

Who exactly is ducking him? Taylor has no reason to duck him. Even if you think Wright won that fight, then you have to agree that it was close. Wright ain't getting any better, Taylor is. I think Taylor would hand him his ass the second time around. After that fight nobody should duck Wright.

I will give Wright credit for the Taylor fight because it was one his first "non-boring" fights.

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you must not have been around when somebody else tried to use the compubox numbers and i put that theory to rest



heres why................ ....

if you saw the fight, then you know that there were 3 rounds where winky out landed jermain by a total of 40 punches (watch the fight again because they mention it and show the numbers)

i give winky those 3 rounds all day long.

but for the remaining 9 rounds, winky outlanded jermain by a total of 23 punches.

so now we have winky outlanding jermain by 23 punches which averages out to less then 3 (2. something) more punches per round.

so are seriously saying that winkys extra 2 punches a round are more effective than jermains shots? didnt think so Wink



what is it with novices trying to use compubox numbers to determine who won the fight? compubox numbers are a measure of a fighters ACTIVITY........... ... not effectiveness




and its funny that you show a picture of jermain after the fight but not winky (who was way more busted up at the end)

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First off you contradict yourself in this post, so if i was you would hold that novice title for yourself.

The last three wins has only proved 1 thing, Jermaine taylor still has alot to prove in the division.

It is JT who was lucky to come away with a draw, That last round should of been a tie, which would of won it for winky.

If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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you must not have been around when somebody else tried to use the compubox numbers and i put that theory to rest



heres why................ ....

if you saw the fight, then you know that there were 3 rounds where winky out landed jermain by a total of 40 punches (watch the fight again because they mention it and show the numbers)

i give winky those 3 rounds all day long.

but for the remaining 9 rounds, winky outlanded jermain by a total of 23 punches.

so now we have winky outlanding jermain by 23 punches which averages out to less then 3 (2. something) more punches per round.

so are seriously saying that winkys extra 2 punches a round are more effective than jermains shots? didnt think so Wink



what is it with novices trying to use compubox numbers to determine who won the fight? compubox numbers are a measure of a fighters ACTIVITY........... ... not effectiveness




and its funny that you show a picture of jermain after the fight but not winky (who was way more busted up at the end)

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First off you contradict yourself in this post, so if i was you would hold that novice title for yourself.

The last three wins has only proved 1 thing, Jermaine taylor still has alot to prove in the division.

It is JT who was lucky to come away with a draw, That last round should of been a tie, which would of won it for winky.

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i didnt contradict anything, all i did was throw your compubox numbers back at you so you could see how they dont mean as much as you thought they did

and what does taylor have left to prove? he beat hopkins TWICE, and winky is pricing himself out of the rematch. 55% is more than fair for the undisputed champion of a division.

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If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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Well said. Taylor won that first fight against Winky and he will win even more convincingly if there is a rematch. He is younger, stronger, faster, and is only going to get better. He already has great experience having fought Hopkins twice and Winky once. I lost alot respect for Winky after the Taylor fight. The way he acted after the fight was childish. And Winky definitely has priced himself out. For him to front like Jermain is ducking him is a total joke.

put me right here somebody the fight was a draw in Taylors home town is that correct

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If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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Well said. Taylor won that first fight against Winky and he will win even more convincingly if there is a rematch. He is younger, stronger, faster, and is only going to get better. He already has great experience having fought Hopkins twice and Winky once. I lost alot respect for Winky after the Taylor fight. The way he acted after the fight was childish. And Winky definitely has priced himself out. For him to front like Jermain is ducking him is a total joke.

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I'm with pea, zhubin, and frozen on this one. Way to bring it home guys. 8)

Taylors like the Rodney Dangerfield of boxing these day. He take on 2 of the best p4p defensive wizards, gives them both hel, and gets dissed for it. The 1st fight with Hop and the Winky fight were close. But no one got robbed.
Taylor hasnt ducked anybody. Now hes taking on Ouma whose no slouch. After that he wants Calzaghe at 168.
Thumbs up to JT for not taking a ride on the tomato can express.

I'll be rooting against Winky: I am tired of hearing him bitch after slapboxing his way through 12 rounds, and not getting the decision.

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If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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Well said. Taylor won that first fight against Winky and he will win even more convincingly if there is a rematch. He is younger, stronger, faster, and is only going to get better. He already has great experience having fought Hopkins twice and Winky once. I lost alot respect for Winky after the Taylor fight. The way he acted after the fight was childish. And Winky definitely has priced himself out. For him to front like Jermain is ducking him is a total joke.

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I'm with pea, zhubin, and frozen on this one. Way to bring it home guys. 8)

Taylors like the Rodney Dangerfield of boxing these day. He take on 2 of the best p4p defensive wizards, gives them both hel, and gets dissed for it. The 1st fight with Hop and the Winky fight were close. But no one got robbed.
Taylor hasnt ducked anybody. Now hes taking on Ouma whose no slouch. After that he wants Calzaghe at 168.
Thumbs up to JT for not taking a ride on the tomato can express.

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Im with you guys, IMO Taylor lost one of the Bernard fights, won the other and beat Winky. To say he ducks everyone is nonsense, after fighting the LONGEST REIGNING MIDDLEWEIGHT champ of ALL TIME, he took on another defensive wizard in Winky.

If Winky feels like that,then he should have taken the offer made by Taylor's team,I'm sure that even if it was not 50-50,,he would be getting more than he is for this fight. I like Winky alot but he sure does moan alot!!

Jermain's people did not want him to fight Winky immediately however Taylor wanted to fight Winky again... about Winky losing to Quartey ... no way, and HE DID NOT lose to Jermain hence he deserves 50/50 in the next fight considering almost everyone thought he won... His record should be 52-0-1

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His record should be 52-0-1

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He was knocked down 5 times by Julio Cesar Vasquez. I didn't see that fight, but I find it hard to believe that he deserved to win that one.

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Jermain's people did not want him to fight Winky immediately however Taylor wanted to fight Winky again... about Winky losing to Quartey ... no way, and HE DID NOT lose to Jermain hence he deserves 50/50 in the next fight considering almost everyone thought he won... His record should be 52-0-1

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Vazquez beat his ass, Simon out worked him and Vargas barely hung on to win. Wright losses are legit losses.

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put me right here somebody the fight was a draw in Taylors home town is that correct

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The fight was in Memphis. Taylor is from Little Rock.

Taylor's from Arkansas, but it was technically a hometown fight, since the main reason it was held in Memphis was to draw Taylor fans from Arkansas, the Arkansas border being right across the river from Memphis.

For example, Gatti's not from A.C., but he lives and trains in Jersey, so for all intents and purposes A.C. is his fighting hometown.

Taylor was the "house" fighter, that might be the best way of putting it. Anyway, I had the fight a draw, so I don't think the judges were unfairly swayed in any direction. If Winky didn't like the decision, then he shouldn't have fought the 12th round like he did.

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Wink got that right. a slick cagy fighter, with an impenetrable defense.. You only want to fight this guy when its mandatory . Winky make you look bad all night long, even if you winning the fight.

Fighting Wright is like trying to fuck someone wearing a chastity belt. :laugh:

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If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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Well said. Taylor won that first fight against Winky and he will win even more convincingly if there is a rematch. He is younger, stronger, faster, and is only going to get better. He already has great experience having fought Hopkins twice and Winky once. I lost alot respect for Winky after the Taylor fight. The way he acted after the fight was childish. And Winky definitely has priced himself out. For him to front like Jermain is ducking him is a total joke.

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How can you say Taylor won? Did you see the fight? Look at the aforementioned punch stats, and then I dare you to say Taylor won. Also he wasn't faster than Winky at all.. or stronger. The only thing he could do was hit harder which isn't necessarily strength related especially considering he puts alot more of himself behind his punches than does Winky.

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If Winky feels he got robbed so badly against Taylor, maybe he shouldn't have spent the 12th round doing absolutely nothing but dancing around. If he's such an intelligent boxer, then he should know that you don't give away the final round in a close fight when you're not the hometown fighter.

I also don't understand the people who criticize Taylor for not looking good in his last 3 fights, when the two guys he faced, Hopkins and Winky, are the two most difficult guys to look good against of the last 10 years.
Someone explain how to win in entertaining fashion against Hopkins and Wright, because no one has done it yet.

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Well said. Taylor won that first fight against Winky and he will win even more convincingly if there is a rematch. He is younger, stronger, faster, and is only going to get better. He already has great experience having fought Hopkins twice and Winky once. I lost alot respect for Winky after the Taylor fight. The way he acted after the fight was childish. And Winky definitely has priced himself out. For him to front like Jermain is ducking him is a total joke.

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How can you say Taylor won? Did you see the fight? Look at the aforementioned punch stats, and then I dare you to say Taylor won. Also he wasn't faster than Winky at all.. or stronger. The only thing he could do was hit harder which isn't necessarily strength related especially considering he puts alot more of himself behind his punches than does Winky.

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you can always go back to the 1st page on this thread to see why compubox numbers dont tell you who won a fight ;)

I had Taylor winning by 2 rounds. Taylor was the aggressor and threw more punches in the fight. Wrights peak a boo defense don't win points in my opinion . granted Wright would work the last 30 seconds of the rounds and try to steal ,the only problem is there a 3 mins to a round. and for 2: 30 seconds of a round Wright was getting the worst of it.

Just my opinion O0

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From what I remember it was Wright who turned down the rematch with Taylor. So what the fuck is he talking about? He's also clearly over looking Quartey. And it's going to cost him. I'm taking Quartey in this fight.

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I seem to remember someone picking Taylor to blow Wright out of the water and win by KO. Wanna refresh my memory as to who that was? ;D

Although....Taylor isn't ducking him. Wink won the fight though.

Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

About the first fight, I've posted tons of times about it in length but imo it comes down to ring generalship. Defense, punch effectiveness and ring generalship make up the scoring of a fight. IMO, Winky won the fight because he wasn't hit to often, and he controlled how the fight was fought from both ends.

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Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

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I hear what your saying. but I prefers the aggressor in a fight. the guy forcing the action. the guy taking chances to win. if your throwing punches and the other guys is just catching ( Defense) During those exchanges I would vote for the guy throwing . anyone can get into what I call "sparring partner defense mode " and go 12 rounds . If you really stop and think about it .. The guy making the fight, is the guy willing to press the action and take chances . because without that guy, there is no fight. ;)

Cool Click in 24, I always enjoy your perspective !

I agree on that point, hes the guy putting bums on seats, but there has to be a line drawn. Or we go down the road of less skill because we dont encourage it.

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I agree on that point, hes the guy putting bums on seats, but there has to be a line drawn. Or we go down the road of less skill because we dont encourage it.

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Good point !

I think the key to a great fighter is to be “skillfully aggressive“ . via Trinidad, Delahoya, , J C Chavez. Kostya Tszyu. ect. Defense is important no doubt , but its secondary to offense hence the term ( Hit and not get hit ) Hit being the first word in the phrase... to many fighter now days are all about " don't get hit and hit only when its safe". ( makes for a horrible watch) and hurts the sport.

To me a fighter willing to take chances. whom is able to slip punches as he is barring down on his opponent. Is what makes boxing a great sport to watch, and keeps the fan thrilled and enticed to keep watching

Your not wrong

This one 4 time golden gloves guy, he hated Winky's defense with what he called,
"just sticking your arms in front of your face and taking the punches."

I laughed, because I thought I was the only one who thought Winky's defense...
... well I don't like it. haha

Certainly doesn't have to look of a beautiful slip of the punches,
or MANY other ways to defend.

And I'm almost certain someone's gonna get offended by this. ;)

I thought the fight was close, with neither fighter taking the victory near the end.

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Jermain's people did not want him to fight Winky immediately however Taylor wanted to fight Winky again... about Winky losing to Quartey ... no way, and HE DID NOT lose to Jermain hence he deserves 50/50 in the next fight considering almost everyone thought he won... His record should be 52-0-1

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Vazquez beat his a**, Simon out worked him and Vargas barely hung on to win. Wright losses are legit losses.

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Have you seen the fights? Simon didn't beat him.. I would put the Vazquez fight as a draw consider he won almost every round. And Vargas did not beat him at all.

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Lords , dont agree its about hitting the other guy with force more than hes hitting you. Dictating the flow of the fight, who has the skill whether it be the attacking fighter or the defensive one.

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I hear what your saying. but I prefers the aggressor in a fight. the guy forcing the action. the guy taking chances to win. if your throwing punches and the other guys is just catching ( Defense) During those exchanges I would vote for the guy throwing . anyone can get into what I call "sparring partner defense mode " and go 12 rounds . If you really stop and think about it .. The guy making the fight, is the guy willing to press the action and take chances . because without that guy, there is no fight. ;)

Cool Click in 24, I always enjoy your perspective !

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Winky does bring the fight to his opponent watch him against Vargas, Mosley, Taylor... he brings the fight all of them.