Best HW to never win a Title??

I Just watched the Tommy Morrison/Ray Mercer highlite replay on TSN.
WOW! my brain must have been turned to mush by all the dogsh1t HW in the top 20 today. So THATS what heavyweight fighters are supposed to look like!! The Briggs/SL fight was SOO bad.. and of course there everyones favorite cousin John Ruiz (holds back bile rising in throat).
FOR SURE either of TM or RM from their fight would hold a belt today.
SO heres the question. Best HW (lets keep it in the era since airplanes were invented!) NEVER to hold a major belt/title
I know it will have been done b4 but i just like to argue.
Can some one attach a voting poll thingy? with a list of names and other? attach it to this post (mucho do you know how) or start a new one. Thanx

A number of guys come to mind, Peter Jackson, Sam Mcvey, Sam Langford and Harry Wills. All denied title shots because of the color line. I guess the one I think of first though, is Jimmy Bivins. He never got a title shot because the titles were frozen during WWII.

Gerry Quarry was a top 10 heavy for years, Oscar Benovena almost beat Frazier.

Did Tyrell Biggs win a title?

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Originally Posted by bilbo

Gerry Quarry was a top 10 heavy for years, Oscar Benovena almost beat Frazier.

Did Tyrell Biggs win a title?

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hmm Quarry ko'd twice by ali. Beaten by George Chuvalo.Twice by frazier (one on cuts) what about George chuvalo then??

Biggs lost by ko whenever he stepped up tyson bowe and lewis all ko'd him...

I cant agree with your picks.... but i'll still give you a cool click!

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Originally Posted by Canvasback

A number of guys come to mind, Peter Jackson, Sam Mcvey, Sam Langford and Harry Wills. All denied title shots because of the color line. I guess the one I think of first though, is Jimmy Bivins. He never got a title shot because the titles were frozen during WWII.

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CC.... I feel Sam Langford and Harry Wills were cleary two who deserved title shots, and clearly had every chance become champ...I would pick them both to beat Sam Mcvey was along the lines of Joe Jeanette, a good fighter, but one who was repeatedly whipped by Sammy Langford.

butterbean.

jimmy young
earnie shavers
david tua
Ike Ibeabuchi
jerry quarry
ron lyle

Does Harry Greb count?

Ken Norton never won the title it was given

Danny williams....destoyer of myths ;D

another one is carl truth williams he had good skills good all round fighter shame he had such a weak chin

Ken Norton imo is far and away the best HW never to win a major title.

Gerry Cooney never won a title either. IMO he was a fine boxer and not just the great white hype history remembers him to be.

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Originally Posted by Canvasback

A number of guys come to mind, Peter Jackson, Sam Mcvey, Sam Langford and Harry Wills. All denied title shots because of the color line. I guess the one I think of first though, is Jimmy Bivins. He never got a title shot because the titles were frozen during WWII.

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CC.

another one i just thought of razor ruddock

Quarry!

Micheal Stewart,Gerry Cooney and Andrew Golota

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

Micheal Stewart,Gerry Cooney and Andrew Golota

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oh yea good call forgot about golota

Golota, Sammy Langford, Harry Wills, Ezzard Charles

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

Micheal Stewart,Gerry Cooney and Andrew Golota

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Minus Golota this is a pretty good list.

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

Micheal Stewart,Gerry Cooney and Andrew Golota

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Minus Golota this is a pretty good list.

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Ya! minus the Golota
I remember my fav quote re Golota
(oh no im quoting Larry Merchant!!M.....mm..must.......slit...........wris ts............)
"a million dollar body.......and a ten cent brain!"
The butterbean guy was joking....right?......tell me he was joking......

Merciless Ray mercer was WBO champ...does that count???? if not i pick him....punching his head was like punching a fire hydrant

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Danny williams....destoyer of myths ;D

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i think you mean"DESTROYER OF LEGENDS" ;D

Quarry
Chuvalo
Golota
Ibeabuchi
Tua

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Quarry
Chuvalo
Golota
Ibeabuchi
Tua

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I'll add Shavers to that list...right on when it comes to post 1965 heavy's...CC

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Golota, Sammy Langford, Harry Wills, Ezzard Charles

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Ezzard Charles was world heavyweight champion. He fought Jersey Joe Walcott for the vacant (NBA world) title following Joe Louis's retirement, and won a unanimous decision. He defended it successfully against Walcott subsequently, and also a comebacking Louis to be universally recognised. He lost it to Walcott via picture-perfect left hook KO in round 7, and then was defeated again by Walcott on points. I always found it strange that he should have won their first two fights, and lost the last two as Walcott was significantly older (he was the then oldest winner at 38), which you would have thought favoured Charles even more. The third fight is more explicable since it was ended early by the big puncher, but losing on points in the fourth less so. Maybe Charles simply faded more quickly as a force - as a small heavyweight, he was more reliant on his speed and reflexes which are likely to erode more quickly, whereas Walcott always had his punch/strength to fall back on.

ah....see I looked on boxrec, I saw the last fights with Walcott when he lost.

CC for the correction, I figured he had been champ before but guess I just overlooked it on boxrec

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Quarry
Chuvalo
Golota
Ibeabuchi
Tua

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I'll add Shavers to that list...right on when it comes to post 1965 heavy's...CC

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CC at a on Shavers I totaly forgort about him.....Truth is the gus from that era were all good...All could have been champ in another era....it wes just bad luck that the fougt in the era's of Ali,Liston,Patterson,Foreman and frazier

Some real good posts here, nice to see the really good old timers getting credit. The problem with a young-ish base of people on this forum is that we are only really familier with people from our own era (as people are fans not historians).

Still, I sometimes get disappointed that we fall into the trap of thinking that better training and diet somehow creates more talented or tougher fighters in what is (today) a minority sport !!!!

How about adding Cleveland Williams to the list? He was a big guy, tough, could box (reminded me a bit of Rubin Carter stylewise, but with a much better punch) Williams was studiously avoided by everyone until he was old and past it.

zora folley, cleveland williams, gary mason, carl williams, roland lastarza, razor ruddock,ike ibeabuchi, jimmy young, jerry quarry, sam mcvvey, joe jeanette, sam langford, harry wills, earnie shavers, eddie machen, nino valdes, georges carpentier to name a few

Easily Earnie Shavers. Too bad he had the misfortune of fighting Ali and Holmes for the title. How do you think he would have done against John Tate?...or Leon Spinks?...or Ken Norton?...well we know that answer, don't we.