Margarito wins by circumstance... (short play by play)

Everyone who knows me remembers all of my rants about Margarito.

Tonight, he lost the first four rounds easily to Joshua Clottey before Clottey broke a finger on his left hand.

After that, Margarito attacked mercilessly in the fifth, but Clottey weathered the storm. During the round, Margarito claims he hurt his right wrist.

For the rest of the fight, Clottey tried to fight off his right hand, while Margarito simply outpunched him. It is important to note that Clottey's few shots were much better timed than Margarito's barrage through round 12.

In the end, it was a unanimous decision for Margarito.

Margarito either needs to get better sparring partners, or get back the fire that knocked off 5 of "6 Heads" Lewis!

Nuff said

He was having trouble with Six Heads Lewis before he finally landed a shot. But he isn't going to beat Mayweather fighting like that. Rematch Clottey.

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Rematch Clottey.

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Are you insane?
Yeah! re-match Clottey and waste more of the little time he has left fighting fighters like that...

He needs to either face up against the winner of Urkal-Cotto if it happens or fight another title holder and see if he can lure in a big name...

Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

Definitely no rematch

I doubt he will get a fight with Cotto, as he is the 'big' name in the division now...

Besides, fighting like that, he will never get by Paul Williams, who has an 80"+ reach.

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Rematch Clottey.

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Are you insane?
Yeah! re-match Clottey and waste more of the little time he has left fighting fighters like that...

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you mean fighters that could beat the fuck outta him effortlessly? ;)

I mean look at how the inactivity has effected his fighting BIG TIME it took him 5 rds. to warm up and start letting hid hands go freely then the injury (which is still yet to be confirmed for either fighter) comes into play.... The ankle he sprained....

Regardless hes the winner and he needs to look forward it is HIS own fault for the inactivity and waiting around the punk azzes like Zab, PBF and the rest .....

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Rematch Clottey.

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Are you insane?
Yeah! re-match Clottey and waste more of the little time he has left fighting fighters like that...

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you mean fighters that could beat the fuck outta him effortlessly? ;)

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I got one sentence for you.


Zab Judahs done. ;)

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I mean look at how the inactivity has effected his fighting BIG TIME it took him 5 rds. to warm up and start letting hid hands go freely then the injury (which is still yet to be confirmed for either fighter) comes into play.... The ankle he sprained....

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you really believe that?

you think that clottey not throwing a single punch was due to margarito being warmed up and not clottey having a broken finger?


also a broken finger is serious buisness, and clottey knew something serious just happened


a suspect sprained ankle...

now come on, i could fight with a sprained ankle ::**

At this point, it doesn't matter who we want to see...

Paul Williams is next, and he is nothing but trouble.

Has anyone seen him fight? He averages 120+ per round.

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I mean look at how the inactivity has effected his fighting BIG TIME it took him 5 rds. to warm up and start letting hid hands go freely then the injury (which is still yet to be confirmed for either fighter) comes into play.... The ankle he sprained....

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you really believe that?

you think that clottey not throwing a single punch was due to margarito being warmed up and not clottey having a broken finger?


also a broken finger is serious buisness, and clottey knew something serious just happened


a suspect sprained ankle...

now come on, i could fight with a sprained ankle ::**

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Rematch Clottey.

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you mean fighters that could beat the fuck outta him effortlessly? ;)

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I got one sentence for you.


Zab Judahs done. ;)

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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why?

why is simple.

1. Clottey is an even smaller name than he is.

2. Clottey is NOT his mandatory.

3. This was a tune up to get to the money fights, and he almost blew it.

4. At 30+, how many more times do you think he is going to get this chance?
last fight (10 mos), ended 1st Rd,
before that (Apr '05) ended 5th Rd,
before that was a 10 Rd KO in Feb 2005!
That's 16 rounds in 2 years since his last loss! This 12Rds was good for him, but he needs better sparring...

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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because we now know that clottey is above average...

which means that margarito cant hang with him :D

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain with the decision...

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

CMM, I agree that Clottey did not show the heart of a champion, which is why he had no right to complain, but you have to admit, if the fight kept going unaltered by injury, Clottey would be the new man to avoid... he may just be anyway.

And stop ignoring my point--

Paul Williams is next, and what the he** is Margarito going to do with a 6'1" version of himself? Williams DOES NOT start slow, and if he does, that is still about 80 punches per round...

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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why?

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

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WHAT?
Are you serious?
What principles might those be?

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CMM, I agree that Clottey did not show the heart of a champion, which is why he had no right to complain, but you have to admit, if the fight kept going unaltered by injury, Clottey would be the new man to avoid... he may just be anyway.

And stop ignoring my point--

Paul Williams is next, and what the he** is Margarito going to do with a 6'1" version of himself? Williams DOES NOT start slow, and if he does, that is still about 80 punches per round...

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Not ignoring your point,
Hell at one point I didn't wan't them fighting, cause there was still a chance of Margarito fighting PBF. But after that fell through I said if Margarito beats Clottey he should figh Williams next.

This would be one hellu'va fight if it happens and if it does I hope that both fighters are WELL prepared and let the best man win.

I like Williams as a fighter in the ring, hes very similar to Margarito but faster.... What I don't like is his big mouth, he runs his mouth too much... Not only that but the same day he beat Mathysse some people here wen't crazy like if he was the BEST instantly after that win....

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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why?

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

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WHAT?
Are you serious?
What principles might those be?

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Even Pacquiao Marquez.

He hurt his hand in the fight after doing well early.

Then Marquez came back and got a draw.

Pacquiao had managerial problems and had his blood drawn 24 hours from the first Morales fight and didnt get the gloves he wanted and he was in my opinion beaten as clearly by Morales as Clottey was by Margarito.

Even if Vargas and Mosley can fight again why can't Margarito fight Clottey again?

Barerra was beaten worse by Pacquiao but there's a rematch in talks.

I thought Clottey won rounds 1,2,3,4 clearly and then 8. I thought he won 4 rounds clearly and I gave him the 8th.

And I thought he showed his championship heart in the 9th even though he lost the round.

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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why?

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

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WHAT?
Are you serious?
What principles might those be?

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Even Pacquiao Marquez.

He hurt his hand in the fight after doing well early.

Then Marquez came back and got a draw.

Pacquiao had managerial problems and had his blood drawn 24 hours from the first Morales fight and didnt get the gloves he wanted and he was in my opinion beaten as clearly by Morales as Clottey was by Margarito.

Even if Vargas and Mosley can fight again why can't Margarito fight Clottey again?

Barerra was beaten worse by Pacquiao but there's a rematch in talks.

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Your comparing Clottey vs. Margarito match-up to fighters were HOF, those fights there were talks about them doing it again because of who they were. But if Margarito is not that well known, who do you think knows who Clottey is regardless of how well he fough for 5 rds.

He beat him, they BOTH SUPPOSIBLY hurt their hands it was a really good fight, a winner was awarded and thats that.....

I can't even understand why Toney-Peter is happening again.... It was close, but again a winner was awarded and thats tha ??? But shet! happens and you move on....

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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why?

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

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WHAT?
Are you serious?
What principles might those be?

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Even Pacquiao Marquez.

He hurt his hand in the fight after doing well early.

Then Marquez came back and got a draw.

Pacquiao had managerial problems and had his blood drawn 24 hours from the first Morales fight and didnt get the gloves he wanted and he was in my opinion beaten as clearly by Morales as Clottey was by Margarito.

Even if Vargas and Mosley can fight again why can't Margarito fight Clottey again?

Barerra was beaten worse by Pacquiao but there's a rematch in talks.

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Your comparing Clottey vs. Margarito match-up to fighters were HOF, those fights there were talks about them doing it again because of who they were. But if Margarito is not that well known, who do you think knows who Clottey is regardless of how well he fough for 5 rds.

He beat him, they BOTH SUPPOSIBLY hurt their hands it was a really good fight, a winner was awarded and thats that.....

I can't even understand why Toney-Peter is happening again.... It was close, but again a winner was awarded and thats tha ??? But shet! happens and you move on....

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Thats whats wrong with boxing to me. That they have to be "somebody" for the same rules to apply. It shouldn't matter if they are superstars or not. I hate the double standards that superstars get that fighters like Margarito and Clottey the rules do not apply to. It's the same reason I'm mad that Margarito never got a third fight against Santos.

First of all, let me start by saying the ref and Showtime's Bernstein and Albert were unbelievably biased to Clottey, I guess Clotteys the Showtime house fighter. Margarito simply out worked and just out hustled Clottey, yet if you listened to the Showtime commentators you'da though Clottey was destroying Margarito. Not once did I hear Berstein or Albert say anything about Margarito's punches,.. even the ripping body shots he landed, yet when Clottey would counter with a left hook or right cross after being hit with several unanswered punches they would get nuts like Clottey scored a knockdown. They never went to Margarito's corner between rounds....I never seen anything like it. And I don't buy that bullshit that Clottey hurt his left hand, he threw some hard lefts after he was crying in his corner about his left hand hurting. When he had a good round his hands seemed okay,...but the next rd Margarito would bang him around the ring for just about the entire round and then he would come to his corner complaining again. Not to mention his INTENTIONAL HEAD BUTTS later in the fight. I had Margarito winning the first rd, then Clottey the 2,3.4 rds. Then in the 5th rd Margarito hurt Clottey and dominated the rest of the fight with the exception of maybe one round. Margarito fought at a pace that Clottey couldn't keep up with and was content on trying to catch Margarito with one big counter-punch. Paul Williams chin is weak, it'll be a much easier fight for Margarito....Margarito in the 5th!!!

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Re-match Clottey would be the stupidest thing he could do.

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain....

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If Pacquiao and Morales can have a rematch after the first fight and if Barerra and Pacquiao can have a rematch I don't understand why Clottey and Margarito can't fight again under the same principles

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WHAT?
Are you serious?
What principles might those be?

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Even Pacquiao Marquez.

He hurt his hand in the fight after doing well early.

Then Marquez came back and got a draw.

Pacquiao had managerial problems and had his blood drawn 24 hours from the first Morales fight and didnt get the gloves he wanted and he was in my opinion beaten as clearly by Morales as Clottey was by Margarito.

Even if Vargas and Mosley can fight again why can't Margarito fight Clottey again?

Barerra was beaten worse by Pacquiao but there's a rematch in talks.

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Your comparing Clottey vs. Margarito match-up to fighters were HOF, those fights there were talks about them doing it again because of who they were. But if Margarito is not that well known, who do you think knows who Clottey is regardless of how well he fough for 5 rds.

He beat him, they BOTH SUPPOSIBLY hurt their hands it was a really good fight, a winner was awarded and thats that.....

I can't even understand why Toney-Peter is happening again.... It was close, but again a winner was awarded and thats tha ??? But shet! happens and you move on....

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Thats whats wrong with boxing to me. That they have to be "somebody" for the same rules to apply. It shouldn't matter if they are superstars or not. I hate the double standards that superstars get that fighters like Margarito and Clottey the rules do not apply to. It's the same reason I'm mad that Margarito never got a third fight against Santos.

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Come on PGH, theres just no need for a re-match theres just no point.... Also you state that you gave rd. 1 to Clottey well I just re-watched that rd. again to make sure I wasn't trippin' and no I wasn't cause I scored that rd. for Margarito.....
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why is simple.

1. Clottey is an even smaller name than he is.

2. Clottey is NOT his mandatory.

3. This was a tune up to get to the money fights, and he almost blew it.

4. At 30+, how many more times do you think he is going to get this chance?
last fight (10 mos), ended 1st Rd,
before that (Apr '05) ended 5th Rd,
before that was a 10 Rd KO in Feb 2005!
That's 16 rounds in 2 years since his last loss! This 12Rds was good for him, but he needs better sparring...

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First of all, let me start by saying the ref and Showtime's Bernstein and Albert were unbelievably biased to Clottey, I guess Clotteys the Showtime house fighter. Margarito simply out worked and just out hustled Clottey, yet if you listened to the Showtime commentators you'da though Clottey was destroying Margarito. Not once did I hear Berstein or Albert say anything about Margarito's punches,.. even the ripping body shots he landed, yet when Clottey would counter with a left hook or right cross after being hit with several unanswered punches they would get nuts like Clottey scored a knockdown. They never went to Margarito's corner between rounds....I never seen anything like it. And I don't buy that bullshit that Clottey hurt his left hand, he threw some hard lefts after he was crying in his corner about his left hand hurting. When he had a good round his hands seemed okay,...but the next rd Margarito would bang him around the ring for just about the entire round and then he would come to his corner complaining again. Not to mention his INTENTIONAL HEAD BUTTS later in the fight. I had Margarito winning the first rd, then Clottey the 2,3.4 rds. Then in the 5th rd Margarito hurt Clottey and dominated the rest of the fight with the exception of maybe one round. Margarito fought at a pace that Clottey couldn't keep up with and was content on trying to catch Margarito with one big counter-punch. Paul Williams chin is weak, it'll be a much easier fight for Margarito....Margarito in the 5th!!!

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Your right, about the in between rds..... I thought it was just me, but your right they didn't go to Margaritos corner in between rds... ???

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Theres no need to fight someone who supossibly hurt his hand in a fight he lost, and the fight was not that close. It was a tough one and yeah! he was gettin hit and he lost rounds but in the end he won. No contreversy or anything, Clottey didn't even complain with the decision...

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In the end, all haterism aside, Margarito looked bad agianst Clottey & had Clottey not injured the left in the fif...we'd be seeing a different out come.

I aint just saying that due to the fact thta I dont dig on Marg...but Clottey far exceeded expectations.

I pretty much agree with CutMeMick on this...

I picked Clottey to win and I am very disappointed that he injured his hand. I think he would have won otherwise, but I do not think he deserves a rematch.

Margarito won, now let him fight Williams. Hopefully, Williams will do what Clottey didn't and I can rejoice. Clottey showed well and will get another shot in the future. If every close fight was grounds for a rematch things would grind to a halt.

Very good fight. It was fun to watch. I like both guys, early on I couldn't help but root for the underdog Clottey. BUT down the stretch, forget possible injuries for a damn second, Tony Margarito outgutted Joshua Clottey. Its that simple. He dug down deep, got warmed up and threw a ton of punches at Clottey, even laughing and telling him to bring it on in a sense. Margarito proved why he is champ. However, he also proved that he is very hittable, and still quite slow. And that he has little more than a punchers chance against PBF, despite being the biggest challenge at welterweight for Floyd. Margarito is a good fighter, that has been so underrated, he's become overrated IMO. He is a warrior, and by staying more active he can stay sharper and be ready for a big fight when and if it comes. I personally hope that Sugar Shane Mosley does fight Margarito, it'd be a great fight, and a winnable one for either of them.

I dont dig on Marg...but Clottey far exceeded expectations. WACKO


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Margarito proved why he is champ Hulk

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It seems to me that Margarito only proved he is headed nowhere fast

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Really? So, Margarito, out gutting Clottey down the stretch and punishing him meant nothing to you? Practically forcing him to quit showed nothing about Tony Margarito as a fighter and champion? Clottey having to RUN, clinch, and intentionally headbutt indicated nothing? Come on! I like both fighters, and believe me, I am as tired of the "Maragrito is the most feared man in boxing, everyone is ducking him" BS as anyone. But damn it, if Margarito didn't show some true heart tonight, and beat his tough, worthy opponent fair and square.

Well, I mean Margarito has no one to blame but himself for waiting around on some punks! to fight him.... It's his fault for not keeping busy....

Oh! about Williams, come on look at his last oponent Margarito could have done the same and fought a guy who was 15-2-4 but Clottey was there to fight and he took the fight....

As I said I hope if the fight comed through that both fighters are at their best casue in the end WE the fans are the winners we get to see FIRE WORKS!! in the ring....

Thank you for the Sad Click.... ;) You know who you are.... ;)

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Well ya got a CC from ME, so that should balance it out. Listen, you can be proud of your boy Margarito tonight, I'm not a big fan, a fan, but not a big one, and I'm proud of him and my boy Cotto. I picked right for a change, voting Cotto by KO, and Margarito by UD. Margarito fought like a warrior and beat probably the tuffest challenger of his career. And all the haters of Margarito, you think Tony is easy to hit? And he is. Well check out Paul Williams, Margarito will knock him out, I promise you that.

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Really? So, Margarito, out gutting Clottey down the stretch and punishing him meant nothing to you? Practically forcing him to quit showed nothing about Tony Margarito as a fighter and champion? Clottey having to RUN, clinch, and intentionally headbutt indicated nothing? Come on! I like both fighters, and believe me, I am as tired of the "Maragrito is the most feared man in boxing, everyone is ducking him" BS as anyone. But damn it, if Margarito didn't show some true heart tonight, and beat his tough, worthy opponent fair and square.

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I will admit that it seemed Clottey was trying to puss out after every round. Just incase his corner forgot, Clottey made sure to remind them his hand was hurt between every round.

However, his hand was hurt, and in the end Magarito scored a UD against a maimed opponent who clearly would have won othwerwise.

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Well ya got a CC from ME, so that should balance it out. Listen, you can be proud of your boy Margarito tonight, I'm not a big fan, a fan, but not a big one, and I'm proud of him and my boy Cotto. I picked right for a change, voting Cotto by KO, and Margarito by UD. Margarito fought like a warrior and beat probably the tuffest challenger of his career. And all the haters of Margarito, you think Tony is easy to hit? And he is. Well check out Paul Williams, Margarito will knock him out, I promise you that.

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I got say, HELL YEAH!! to that if Margarito can prepare himself good and be ready for Williams I know he could beat Williams.... If Sharmba was able to hurt and woble Williams, then a well landed punch by Margarito would do the trick...

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Well ya got a CC from ME, so that should balance it out. Listen, you can be proud of your boy Margarito tonight, I'm not a big fan, a fan, but not a big one, and I'm proud of him and my boy Cotto. I picked right for a change, voting Cotto by KO, and Margarito by UD. Margarito fought like a warrior and beat probably the tuffest challenger of his career. And all the haters of Margarito, you think Tony is easy to hit? And he is. Well check out Paul Williams, Margarito will knock him out, I promise you that.

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cc#329 for you....

I got say, HELL YEAH!! to that if Margarito can prepare himself good and be ready for Williams I know he could beat Williams.... If Sharmba was able to hurt and woble Williams, then a well landed punch by Margarito would do the trick...

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Yep, thats the way I look at it too. Though Williams did take some good shots from that Matt Hissyfit guy. I say Tony will defineatley knock out Paul Williams, and then Max Kellerman will cry himself to sleep.

Not sure it will work that way, Hulk. If you look at the division, Williams is about the only Welter that is bigger than Margarito. And Margarito has a horrible record when fighting bigger guys (although I admit he was coming back during the Santos fight).

The problem here is this... how will he deal when he is getting 100+ punches thrown at him for the whole fight? Tony might find himself on the floor & far behind before he warms up in the 5th or 6th round.

Don't get me wrong; I like Tony and I agree he is being avoided (but damn he needs sparring!), as will Clottey.

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Margarito proved why he is champ Hulk

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It seems to me that Margarito only proved he is headed nowhere fast

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Really? So, Margarito, out gutting Clottey down the stretch and punishing him meant nothing to you? Practically forcing him to quit showed nothing about Tony Margarito as a fighter and champion? Clottey having to RUN, clinch, and intentionally headbutt indicated nothing? Come on! I like both fighters, and believe me, I am as tired of the "Maragrito is the most feared man in boxing, everyone is ducking him" BS as anyone. But damn it, if Margarito didn't show some true heart tonight, and beat his tough, worthy opponent fair and square.

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But the point is that he only won because he got lucky with Clottey getting injured. That's not "showing guts"--that's just getting a windfall. Clottey is clearly better than Margarito in every aspect except business--he hits harder, has better timing, has better balance, has better defense, and looked to be quite literally TWICE as fast. No doubt Clottey would have won--by either KO or very wide margin--if he hadn't broken his finger. Margarito took advantage of his good fortune to start landing his pitter-pat for the last five rounds of the fight (after Clottey was injured and had to seriously limit his own output), so credit him with that. But I wouldn't call it "heart," and I definitely wouldn't call it impressive. I was on the fence before, but I definitely pick Williams to beat Margarito now--essentially a bigger, stronger, faster version of the same flawed, no-defense fighter. And Margarito wouldn't last 8 rounds with Cotto being as open as he is.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Margarito proved why he is champ Hulk

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It seems to me that Margarito only proved he is headed nowhere fast

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Really? So, Margarito, out gutting Clottey down the stretch and punishing him meant nothing to you? Practically forcing him to quit showed nothing about Tony Margarito as a fighter and champion? Clottey having to RUN, clinch, and intentionally headbutt indicated nothing? Come on! I like both fighters, and believe me, I am as tired of the "Maragrito is the most feared man in boxing, everyone is ducking him" BS as anyone. But damn it, if Margarito didn't show some true heart tonight, and beat his tough, worthy opponent fair and square.

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But the point is that he only won because he got lucky with Clottey getting injured. That's not "showing guts"--that's just getting a windfall. Clottey is clearly better than Margarito in every aspect except business--he hits harder, has better timing, has better balance, has better defense, and looked to be quite literally TWICE as fast. No doubt Clottey would have won--by either KO or very wide margin--if he hadn't broken his finger. Margarito took advantage of his good fortune to start landing his pitter-pat for the last five rounds of the fight (after Clottey was injured and had to seriously limit his own output), so credit him with that. But I wouldn't call it "heart," and I definitely wouldn't call it impressive. I was on the fence before, but I definitely pick Williams to beat Margarito now--essentially a bigger, stronger, faster version of the same flawed, no-defense fighter. And Margarito wouldn't last 8 rounds with Cotto being as open as he is.

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You're out of your mind. That's just Margarito hate talking. Clottey won the first 4 rounds, then lost the next two, and won maybe one more out of the fight. He was hitting Tony with left hooks quite a bit, but were they doing anything? Nope. So how he hits harder, I don't know. A finger really makes that big of differnce huh? Hasn't Gatti fought on and won with fukin broken hands before. And PBF and Calzaghe are always claiming to have problems with their hands, they still win don't they? Give me a break. Clottey blew it, he stopped throwing punches, went too defensive and blew it, and was running towards the end even. And screw Williams, just cus Max Kellerman has a fukin man crush on him doesn't mean he can beat Margarito. He will be KO'd whan and if he faces Margarito.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Margarito proved why he is champ Hulk


But the point is that he only won because he got lucky with Clottey getting injured. That's not "showing guts"--that's just getting a windfall. Clottey is clearly better than Margarito in every aspect except business--he hits harder, has better timing, has better balance, has better defense, and looked to be quite literally TWICE as fast. No doubt Clottey would have won--by either KO or very wide margin--if he hadn't broken his finger. Margarito took advantage of his good fortune to start landing his pitter-pat for the last five rounds of the fight (after Clottey was injured and had to seriously limit his own output), so credit him with that. But I wouldn't call it "heart," and I definitely wouldn't call it impressive. I was on the fence before, but I definitely pick Williams to beat Margarito now--essentially a bigger, stronger, faster version of the same flawed, no-defense fighter. And Margarito wouldn't last 8 rounds with Cotto being as open as he is.

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