wow impressive win by cotto...quintana is no push over and cotto took him out impressively...cotto is whooping undefeated oppenents back to back to back...top ten p4p atleast for cotto. his dominating right now...
yall agree cotto p4p top now?
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wow impressive win by cotto...quintana is no push over and cotto took him out impressively...cotto is whooping undefeated oppenents back to back to back...top ten p4p atleast for cotto. his dominating right now...
yall agree cotto p4p top now?
Let's be real here.
Who is Quintana? he was fighting 8 rounders last year.
Then beat a 'prospect' to become catapulted into this fight.
When cotto fights a P4P top 10 fighter like Mayweather, Hatton or Castillo - then he'll get mad props....... but til then, let's not go over the top.
Those guys will be running for the hills after this one. Not Castillo though, he has heart. Cotto is a monster at this weight and he will be avoided.Quote:
Originally Posted by CityOfGod
I use to know a crazy guy around the corner that we called Mad Rick. Say. What rhymes with Mad Rick? I got it! Sad click! Everybody on this thread enjoy one!
I have seen Cotto on a few p4p lists in the past and from time to time his name comes and goes. There are those who are more deserving and or if not right up there in contention for a spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Quintana dominated Joel Julio and knocked out Edwin Cassiani. Who is Edwin Cassiani? He was the man that TKO'ed Luis Collazo.
Quintana hits hard as phuk and I think he broke Miguels nose :(
I don't think we have seen the last of Quintana. I could be wrong. He is 30 and was destroyed last night so, who knows.
Now getting back to wether or not Cotto has a spot in the 10?
Well?
We have to look at who is all there.
We have
Arce
Barrera
Calzaghe
Corrales
Casamayor
Castillo
Cotto
De La Hoya
Hatton
Hopkins
Kessler
Margarito
Juan Manuel Marquez
Rafael Marquez
Morales
Mosley
Mayweather
Ouma
Parra
Pacquiao
Taylor
Israel Vazquez
Wright
Play with that list and see how Cotto fairs.
Can we not overrate Cotto please?
I think you're on to something here.....He has yet to face someone that has "The Cred".....until then the Jury is still out.....I don't think he has the ability to hang with the likes of PBF and he is way to big for Hatton....Quote:
Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Cotto didn't move up and fight a slouch ala PBF. He fought a very good fighter and beat him far more impressively than PBF beat the sloches. I would say that calls for some serious respect.
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Cotto is fan friendly all the way, skillfully aggressive.. me I love this type of fighter ! as for PBF, he has a different style, and at the higher weights has become less thrilling. but PBF is still effective and after watching Margarito last night, no doubt in my mind PBF would kick Tony's ass, and Cotto would mop the floor with that Margarito ass. shame about Clottey's hand, cause he would have stopped Tony no question about that. O0
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
you had to see this coming miles away because i know i did
margarito sucks, and he showed it last night. so now all of the margaritites are jumping ship over to cotto's bandwagon because cotto looked very impressive against carlos quintana (a good fighter, but nowhere near pbf)
prepare yourself for 6 months of "mayweather has been ducking cotto/mayweather is terrified of cotto, blah blah blah."
i think i saw danny g actually say "ïm not really that big of a margarito fan"
its like.................... are you fucking kidding me??
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
have you ever actually seen a mayweather fight?
I don't any of them "Running for the hills" when it comes to Cotto... he still has alot to prove. I think if he can't outright hurt Castillo at will that Castillo would beat him because of his better chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NY
Just so you know, I'm not only a fan, I'm a student of the game. I don't defend my fav fighters when something that is said is a fact. I'm my own person with my own thoughts and don't live off others opinions. While HBO is hyping PBF as the top fighter in the game, I'm sitting at home noticing that he hasn't proven he can do it against the best in the world. Point being, he talks a lot of sh** but rarely does anything to prove it. The only fight he had recently that was worth watching was against Zab and Zab was putting it on him before he got gassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I think Cotto would knock Castillo out early. Castillo is by no means Iron Clad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
The bolded is exactly why I think Hatton has no business being rated higher than Cotto on any P4P. If Cotto were to move back down or Hatton back up, Cotto would destroy him. And how fighters would fare against each other fighting at the same division (so long as it's not seriously a unnatural weight for them) is pretty much what P4P is all about.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
I have said this over and over again. I am not huge on Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Cotto is my pick of the litter.
My Avatar has always been Cotto.
My Sigi for the most part has always been Cotto except when I was teasing you PBF nut huggers with this one:
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/4120/gallinape9.jpg
This sigi never said anything about me being a huge Tony fan.
I have never professed to be a Tony fan.
I have professed to hating PBF and his minions of nuthuggers.
See signature below, I root for both fighters....Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
If you think that turning a fight around after loosing rds. 2,3 & 4 back to back and then changing gears is sucking then wow!! Margarito was getting hit, and so was Clottey, Clottey landed the cleaner punches in those 3 rds. but Margarito fought back and kept busy all the time he throws a lot of punches.
It took him a while to warm up and get going, but in the end he won the fight. He has no one to blame but himself for the inactivity he took a gamble and Pretty Girl Floyd found a way to go around him..... Zab well same thing....
PBF & ZAB.... Come don't you remember that memorable bout what a MEGA showdown that was..... ::**
But thats that, Margarito won I HOPE HE FIGHTS WILLIAMS NEXT and both mem are prepared well. Wiht NO excuses for eother fighter..... And we will be in for a real treat. Regardless of who wins. IMO, Margarito beats Williams his chinny and has been hurt by both Mathysse & Sharmba....
CC # 833Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Interesting point of view. Tony seems a bit slow to beat Williams IMO , Margarito does keep the punches coming , nice work rate. but he is slow for 147,
Clottey made a mental mistake by basically quitting when he hurt his hand.. I have had many a hand injuries and it sucks, but you got to will your way threw shit and keep the punches flowing. it's seem the injury was prior to the fight during training , Joshua should have Novocained that bad boy before he wrapped up , so its own damn fault he lost the fight, a fight he was schooling Margarito.
I was sitting there at the time with my mouth wide open , thinking, to myself what the fuck is Clottey Throwing the fight ? Round 5 he just stopped throwing punches. . .
cc#467Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I mean I get it Margarito did look VERY rusty and lost those rds. I keep seeing people say Clottey won rd.1 WHAT!! :o are they insane....
Spot on, Clottey said he injured his hand about 2 weeks ago and he felt that he couldn't cancel the fight. That it was his duty to show up regadless and fight thats what he does...(So he said) and that he didn't wan't to call the bout off....
Like El Gamo said, the same thing could be said for Margarito about his hand being hurt..... But we are not using that, we realise Margarito was slow and lost those rds. but other then that Margarito won the other rds. I think he lost the 8th rd or something. thats still just 4 rds. for Clottey....
At I actually thought the ref. was gonna jump in there at one point it seemed like he was ready to jump in that 5th rd. asault.... But it when on and now the fights done....
Lets hope that Margarito vs. Williams pulls through and we'll be good... 8)
Cotto should be P4P for sure,close to top10,maybe lower half of top 10? As for Margarito,that was rust,injury,lack of sparring etc whereas Clottey fought the fight of his life but Margarito's bodyshots were having an effect in my opinion and Clottey was getting tired. He has an awesome defence though!
These rounds can only have done Tony good and hopefully were a bit of a wake up call. I fully expect him to fight and beat Paul Williams next then you Tony haters can look around for someone else to root for to beat Tony. ;D :D
Not because I hate Tony, but I'll be rooting for Cotto to beat him and fully expect that he'll do so--providing Tony can get by Williams (which I give him a 45% chance of doing).Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
Sorry bro,that was not addressed at anyone in particular...but alot of people were saying Clottey would win etc etc now it's Williams will knock the F out Tony. Most fans with knowledge will acknowledge Margarito's win over Clottey is a good one,that Tony showed heart and determination,chose to fight a dangerous opponent rather than a bum,someone coming off a loss etc etc which so many top fighters nowadays do... I'm a huge Margarito fan and that was one of his less impressive performances but he got the W,that's what matter.sQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
No worries--I didn't take it as addressed at me. Just thought I'd make it clear in the preface that I don't really have anything against Margarito. I haven't been impressed by any of his fights I've seen, but true he gets credit for facing Clottey. And he clearly won the fight; though what may have happened had Clottey not gotten hurt might be another story. Anyway--I think versus Williams is a pick'em fight, though I'd lead heavily toward Williams if he had another 2-3 years under his belt first. For me that's the big question mark on that one--Williams is still pretty green. Again, though, if Margarito gets by that one, I just really don't see him beating Cotto. Good thing for him he's got a good chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
I got to be honest I do think Cotto has to be there but not until he beat a name in that list he will not be there officially. Then there is the posibility if he cleans the 147 div. he can be there officialy. There still mhard fights to be maid for this kid but at least finally a Boxer is stepping up the plate. And did like for PBF call on ODLH De la Hoya might be old ( I said Might) but he still has Power , Speed and he is alwasy ver technically good. So for that reason i'm gonna give PBF his props.
By the time PBF fought Corrales, there wasn't Cotto, Hatton, Baldi, MArgarito, I mean he fought the harder fights there were by the moment Castillo(twice) and Corrales for that he has to be in the top.
As for Hatton he is there because he beat Kostya who else?( if he fights Castillo ans wins he will probably be in the top 5)
True but like I said,Doug Fischer explaine d in his Firday mail bag that Tony injured his wrist and ankle before the fight,hence the arm punches...and I believe,honestly,that Margarito would have won anyway,regardless of Clottey's hand. Tony was wearing him down to the body and Clottey looked EXHAUSTED by round 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
I#m a BIG BIG COtto fan but Margarito is no Quintana and,if 100% well prepared,I'd still think he was favourite over Cotto,Cotto is still very open and Margarito's stupendous stamina will push him to the limit. If Tony can take Cotto's best,I think it's going to be a looooooooong night for Cotto ALHTOUGH,on the other hand,Cotto will have space to land those bodyshots and I don't see too many people taking those shots!! Either way,I wouldn't mind,as long as both guys stock goes up after the fight.
As for Williams,to be honest,I actually like his style but about him being green,he's had what 31 pr fights,he should'nt be and if he is,that's his own fault. I want Tony to KTFO Paul though simply because Williams has been running his mouth to much firstly and secondly,like I said earlier,the same posters who go on and on about how Clottey would beat Tony are now going on about Williams etc etc and it gets annoying...
Margarito is just too wide with his shots and kind of slow for 147. I can see where the losses came from, and I can see why he has been careful to step up.. I can also see why he was calling Mayweather out before, That’s so he could get paid before he gets beat by someone nobody heard of, but to Tony's credit he comes to fight, and does let his hands go, so that’s a plus. Look for Paul Williams to knock Tony out in 3 rounds Williams hand speed is about 3 times faster. and speed kills Margarito. ! Hope I am wrong, would love to see Margarito win that fight ! I just don't see it happening . O0Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
couldnt have said it better myself, cc
Castillo has never even been knocked down. Don;t get me wrong, I still think Cotto would win, but Castillo is a tough son of a bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
yeah Castillio is strong no doubt. at 147 I think Cotto would blast him outta there tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
:lol: :lolhaha: Who is this guy??? Kind of hard to :sadclick: when the boss keeps resetting your post count.... This guy is like that Old Pizza commercial Dominos or Pizza Hut I think....Were it said "Avoid The Noid" and a goofy looking short thing in a deranged easterbunny outfit would be bouncing around the screen...Making weird noises, Pissing everyone offQuote:
Originally Posted by CompulsiveSadClickerReturns
Agreed Quintana has the Goods.. I think he will be fine if Cotto beat him up for 9-10 rounds then I would say he is screwed going forward, but he should be fine...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
as Far as Rings PFP list is it reasonable to say Cotto Breaks in at least #10 and Knocks off Either Calzaghe,Hopkins, Jose Luis Castillo or Ricky Hatton at least for the Moment???
Why is Hopkins still up there??? How huch time expires before he loses places and eventually gets dropped off the list??
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Ratings Fighter Weight Class
1 1 413 FLOYD MAYWEATHER Welterweight
2 2 156 MANNY PACQUIAO Jr. Lightweight
3 3 138 WINKY WRIGHT Middleweight
4 4 24 JERMAIN TAYLOR Middleweight
5 5 25 BERNARD HOPKINS Lt. Heavyweight
6 6 356 MARCO ANTONIO BARRERA Jr. Lightweight
7 7 47 RAFAEL MARQUEZ Bantamweight
8 8 79 RICKY HATTON Jr. Welterweight
9 9 60 JOSE LUIS CASTILLO Jr. Welterweight
10 10 39 JOE CALZAGHE Super Middleweight
I think Ring's policy is to not remove someone who hasn't definitively retired (and shown no signs of coming back) until they've been inactive for at least 12 months. Given that Hopkins has now officially "unretired," he won't be moving off the list any time soon (unless he loses).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Personally, I think Calzaghe and Hatton should have been switched to begin with (actually, I don't think Hatton belongs, but if he does, it's at the 10 spot), and I think Cotto really should be on there ahead of Hatton (though not ahead of any of those others). I don't think the Ring will do it though--I think one of the people on the list will have to lose before they get knocked off to make room for Cotto.
Looking at 10 spaces and 16 weight classes (under heavyweight, which I don't include in p4p ratings) really of those 16 weight classes only a few are really up for debate
Light Heavyweight-Bantamweight
This gives us 10 spaces for 11 weight classes and with the debate as to who is THE MAN a little blurry in some divisions it makes the process a little harder but here's my take considering those things
1. Manny Pacquiao - he's tough he takes on great fighters and he beats them
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - the most talented by far but has only recently applied himself to finding worthy opponents
3. Joe Calzaghe - he's a long reigning champion and unquestionably THE MAN in his division
4. Jermain Taylor - he's young, undefeated, and always challenges himself with good opponents (Ouma aside/ he really wanted the Wright rematch to prove himself)
5. Winky Wright - he's nearly unbeatable, great at 154, just shy of being middleweight champion which dropped him on my list
6. Bernard Hopkins - old man, slips a lot due to the losses to Taylor but is on the list due to his fight at 175 which showed he can move weight classes and beat their top guy
7. Ricky Hatton - he's undefeated, he runs 140, he is looking to improve on his last fight
8. Jorge Arce - tough mofo, he's the only guy who falls outside my range of where I look but damn he's a good fighter.
9. Miguel Cotto - he just cracked my list with that win. he moved up, he fought a tough fighter and TKO'd him.
10. Israel Vasquez - he's a good fighter, fought some tough fighters took some chances and he's the man, he beat Jhonny Gonzales a very good fighter.
MAB didn't make my list because like ODH and Mosley I don't think he has fought enough and done well enough to be there....p4p is for PRIME fighters. Hopkins is on there because he showed even though he lost to Taylor that he could bounce back with BIG wins vs worthy opponents who mean something in their respective divisions
as per Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo they weighed too much for their last fights and really disgraced themselves which knocked them totally off my list. They can come back if they can prove themseleves at 140 or 147
That has nothing to do with their boxing abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
And Calzaghe as #3? I mean, I think I'd include him as maybe #9 or 10, but.... It's also inconsistent with the reason you give for not including Barrera and Mosely--both of whom have beaten better competition in the last 2 years than Calzaghe has beaten in his career. I agree that Calzaghe is the man of his division--but that division is SO weak. It's a shame, because he doesn't have anyone against whom he can prove himself (beating the half-ass brawler Jeff Lacy definitely doesn't mean much), and you can tell he's good by watching him. But if you're going to be all "what have you done for me lately" on your ratings, I don't see how he can even crack the top 10. Arce too--I mean, he's almost as fun as Pac to watch, but who has he EVER beaten? He needs to fight Darchinyan or move up and get KTFO by R Marquez.
I'd say:
1. PBF (technically, he's just on another level; you can complain about his competition, but name someone from 130 to 154 who could actually beat him; Wright is the only possibility)
2. Wright (may be falling off a bit on the D, but it's still 2nd only to Floyd's, and has yet to legitimately lose; extremely technically sound)
3. Pac (#1 in terms of entertainment, but he's got some obvious flaws, which Floyd and Winky don't)
4. Taylor (2 (controversial) wins over B-Hop when B-Hop was #1 p4p followed by a draw with #2 Winky--even if the decisions were off, the fights were VERY close)
5. Hopkins (moving straight from MW to the LHW championship--nuff said)
6. R. Marquez (needs better fights, but is definitely the man at the lower weights--he'll KTFO Vasquez if that fight happens, for real)
7. Barrera (but agreed he's past his prime--won't likely make this list next year)
8. Castillo (and he ain't going nowhere but up when he beats Hatton)
9. Calzaghe (beat Taylor, Hopkins or Wright and you crack the top 5)
10. Mosely (looked back to form in the last fight, granted it was against a punching bag--but he'd dominate 147 if he moved back down like he keeps saying he will)
JMM and Casamayor are 11 and 12. Cotto 13. Hatton 14. But Cotto's stock is rising, for sure.
you mean Joe C at #10 right? the rest of your list looks pretty damn solid ! .. lets pull Vasquez to #9 Joe C #10 and Jermaine Taylor #3 and the rest look good. O0 good work Lyle !Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
shza it has nothing to do with their boxing abilities but it has everything to do with my list and I kicked them off of it.
They disgraced the sport, they disgraced themselves and this moved them off the list
So this is more a list of "fighters Lyle respects" than a p4p list then, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
no it's my p4p if it was fighters I respect we wouldn't even talk about those bastards.
Fighters I respect wouldn't be p4p guys....guys like Zahir Raheem would make the list
I agree not including MAB in the p4p list.He needs to prove he's a real warrior. After his very long silence after his defeat from PAcquaio, he needs to fight PAcman again... or he will be seen as a coward...I'm beginning to believe that he really is....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle