Gutted!!!

Man I'll tell you, I was proud as a peacock watching the 1st 3 rounds of Lacy vs Tyspko... Then well the bottom fell out for lack of a better word, Jeff Didn't change a thing about his style.. He was landing beautifully rounds1-2 and then when Tyspko adjusted, the wheels fell off for Lacy....

Jeff was eating way to many punches and his defense looked leakier than it ever has and his stamina was seemingly at an alltime low too... I say gutted because contrary to most peoples popular belief when it comes down to it Jeff Lacy is my #1 favorite fighter followed closely by Floyd Mayweather..

I have been Following Jeff now since about 2002-2003 before he became champion and mainstream and I can proudly say that I wasn't part of the Hype and Media wave that vaulted him to superstardom so from a sentimental standpoint yes Following Jeff's career has been special to me as a fan....The Jeff that fought last night wasn't the same Jeff we are all accustomed to seeing... Jeff just barely squeaked out a win last nite against a game opponent if Jeff wasn't in Florida the fight could have easily gone the other way..

I am not ready to call Jeff "shot" just yet....I did ask myself a few questions and possibilities this morning after I had time to digest all of this..

1) Would Tyspko have given Lacy trouble pre Calzaghe, is Tyspko just a stylistic nightmare for Jeff

2) How much of this performance can be related to ring rust??

3) Why was Jeff lacking the explosive energy and stamina he usually carries, was it because of the long layoff??

4)There is no doubt Jeff is lacking his usual confidence and swagger...

5) Is it time to sever ties with Dan Birmingham, what could Emanuel Steward or Freddy Roach do for Jeff's career if anything..

I am not ready to throw dirt on Jeff and his career and read him his last rites but his situation is in critical condition IMO and the next 5-6 months are very crucial to see if he can make definitive steps forward to jump start and ressisate his career. :-\

I'd say Jeff bit off a little too much with this comeback...he needed to get rounds in and this fight was good for that but he also needed something to build confidence on.

He had a tough fight, he came out with the W just barely but he won and in the end that's all that matters

I was always of the opinion that Lacy was the goods and even after what Joe done to him he would still comback and rule the roost one day...

but after watching last nights fight... i just dont know what happened to the guy who beat up Robin Reid ???

he has power and a great chin and thats about it... shame really as we needed more guys in this sport like Lacy used to be :(

on another note it knocks down what Joe did to him bigtime IMO

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I'd say Jeff bit off a little too much with this comeback...he needed to get rounds in and this fight was good for that but he also needed something to build confidence on.

He had a tough fight, he came out with the W just barely but he won and in the end that's all that matters

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I Agree with you to a point Lyle all that matters is the "W"... Its just enlight of what happened to Jeff in England I personally felt the need to delve in and analyze it more closely whether we want to believe or not Jeff might very well be at a Career crossroads.... Last Night's fight did show me he is still a warrior He did say to Birmingham in between one of the middlerounds something to the effect of " When have you ever known there to be quit in me" Thats the only thing that kept him standing last nite was is heart :-\

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I was always of the opinion that Lacy was the goods and even after what Joe done to him he would still comback and rule the roost one day...

but after watching last nights fight... i just dont know what happened to the guy who beat up Robin Reid ???

he has power and a great chin and thats about it... shame really as we needed more guys in this sport like Lacy used to be :(

on another note it knocks down what Joe did to him bigtime IMO

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I have a friend of mine Ron Wood who trained Jeff as a young amatuer and he has told me more than once Jeff really has not changed much over the years....You really think that this fight takes away the performance of Calzaghe against him??

Not to draw up any excuses....but didn't Lacy say he wasn't ready for a fight at 168 in 2006 because it would drain him to much? I don't know. He still won and I'm sure he'll rebound from this. Baby steps.

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I was always of the opinion that Lacy was the goods and even after what Joe done to him he would still comback and rule the roost one day...

but after watching last nights fight... i just dont know what happened to the guy who beat up Robin Reid ???

he has power and a great chin and thats about it... shame really as we needed more guys in this sport like Lacy used to be :(

on another note it knocks down what Joe did to him bigtime IMO

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Yeah i agree mate,certainly rubbed poo on Joe's acheivement.
Bottom line at World level is when your in with the elite and your not a boxer then you get exposed.
It's all downhill imo after fighters get so badly beaten,humiliated and spanked ala JC/Lacy.
Same as Lennox did with Tyson... Joe beat the fighter out of him and Lacy will never be the same again.

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I dont know boss... He was a firebreathing Man of fury and fought with an incredible intensity before the Calzaghe dismantling....That along with his humble and cordial image is what gave him his appeal he is one of the nice guys for the sport.... Joe just tamed the Lion IMO... I mean he destroyed all they put infront of him, he fought all comers and looked good doing so... I think we just discounted his defenseive short comings cause he could take 3 to give 1 and when he gave 1 that was the showstopper he could end a fight or squash a rally and make a guy think twice about extending themselves...Now he has to adjust and be patient..But can he???

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You really think that this fight takes away the performance of Calzaghe against him??

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too an extent i was always of the view Joes skills in that fight where on top form as he overcame this unbeatable monster.... but it looks more like Lacys lack of skill had more of a factor on it than i first though.

think ive explained that right ;)

First fight back against a decent pro, never easy!! G ive Lacy 2 more fights before you condemn him...

He can still be very good...how good im not too sure. :)

L.O.D.

Lack Of Denfese.

Said this prior to the Calzaghe fight.

Until Jeff drags in a defence...he's fwocked.

Disapointed at Lacy for not being patient enough to keep fighting the way e fought the 1st few rds. He was jabbing, ad throwing the straight right beautifuly then IMO he got impatient and started looping his punches and going for the hayemakers as he used to before. I saw some improvement as fa as the jab and the straight right but it's no good if you only do it for the 1st few rds.....

I don't know at this point I just think he was very lucky to win, and hhe needs to get back to the gym and keep working on skill as he has yet to plant himself well in that dept. If can't then someone will have his way with him the same way Joe did.

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L.O.D.

Lack Of Denfese.

Said this prior to the Calzaghe fight.

Until Jeff drags in a defence...he's fwocked.

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Totally Agree.... Do you think it would behoove Jeff to Leave Birmingham and Maybe explore a Roach or Steward... We know sometimes a Trainer can only take a fighter so far and its time for the next chapter...I know it sounds like a contradiction cause Birmingham trains Winky and defensively he is as tight as a drum but,Winky didn't develop that overnight in turn Winky's and Jeff's styles are opposite sides of the spectrum...Maybe a new Face might give Jeff the spark he's looking for...

The point is that Lacy lost that fight fair and square ;)
Blatant fix and his body language made it even more obvious.
He knew he lost that but the darker side of boxing saved his a** last night.

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The point is that Lacy lost that fight fair and square ;)
Blatant fix and his body language made it even more obvious.
He knew he lost that but the darker side of boxing saved his a** last night.

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Agreed 8)



I think the Calzaghe fight may have taken more from Lacy then most, including himself, believed. The first couple of rds were all Lacy, he looked great throwing that straight right. But as JT mentioned, as soon as the Ukranian corrected his error's, Lacy couldnt respond ???

Is Lacy really that one dimentional :-\

I've read that Birmingham's training methods are more relaxed than most's, maybe reasons why Lacy wont change trainer ???

Once Lacy got tagged in the later rds he didnt do enough to win the fight, he lost his composure and his timing was awful. He NEEDS to work on that defence, no good using your face to block punches !

I felt bad for the ukranian, it was a reasonably close fight but I certainly felt he did enough to take it. Hometown decisons suck; am I right in thinking the three judges were all floridian also - how can that be fair / credible?

I was impressed by the ukranians robustness, just to look at them you would think the bigger Lacy's shots would be dominant but our eastern chum was very resiliant.

That was only the 2nd Lacy fight ive seen, so im not sure if its a particular style issue, or if he has no defence in general and is beginning to be found out against high grade opposition?!?

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Man I'll tell you, I was proud as a peacock watching the 1st 3 rounds of Lacy vs Tyspko... Then well the bottom fell out for lack of a better word, Jeff Didn't change a thing about his style.. He was landing beautifully rounds1-2 and then when Tyspko adjusted, the wheels fell off for Lacy....

Jeff was eating way to many punches and his defense looked leakier than it ever has and his stamina was seemingly at an alltime low too... I say gutted because contrary to most peoples popular belief when it comes down to it Jeff Lacy is my #1 favorite fighter followed closely by Floyd Mayweather..

I have been Following Jeff now since about 2002-2003 before he became champion and mainstream and I can proudly say that I wasn't part of the Hype and Media wave that vaulted him to superstardom so from a sentimental standpoint yes Following Jeff's career has been special to me as a fan....The Jeff that fought last night wasn't the same Jeff we are all accustomed to seeing... Jeff just barely squeaked out a win last nite against a game opponent if Jeff wasn't in Florida the fight could have easily gone the other way..

I am not ready to call Jeff "shot" just yet....I did ask myself a few questions and possibilities this morning after I had time to digest all of this..

1) Would Tyspko have given Lacy trouble pre Calzaghe, is Tyspko just a stylistic nightmare for Jeff

2) How much of this performance can be related to ring rust??

3) Why was Jeff lacking the explosive energy and stamina he usually carries, was it because of the long layoff??

4)There is no doubt Jeff is lacking his usual confidence and swagger...

5) Is it time to sever ties with Dan Birmingham, what could Emanuel Steward or Freddy Roach do for Jeff's career if anything..

I am not ready to throw dirt on Jeff and his career and read him his last rites but his situation is in critical condition IMO and the next 5-6 months are very crucial to see if he can make definitive steps forward to jump start and ressisate his career. :-\

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1, Yes he would have.
2, None. There was no ring rust from rounds 1 to 3.
3, Maybe his power was also overrated. And he's never had great stamina
4, I think he realizes that he is not as good as people lead him to beleive
5, Doesn't really matter. Lacy is in his late 20's. He can change things for a round or two. But he'll always revert back to form.

Anyway take your first cc for Quartey-Wright

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Man I'll tell you, I was proud as a peacock watching the 1st 3 rounds of Lacy vs Tyspko... Then well the bottom fell out for lack of a better word, Jeff Didn't change a thing about his style.. He was landing beautifully rounds1-2 and then when Tyspko adjusted, the wheels fell off for Lacy....

Jeff was eating way to many punches and his defense looked leakier than it ever has and his stamina was seemingly at an alltime low too... I say gutted because contrary to most peoples popular belief when it comes down to it Jeff Lacy is my #1 favorite fighter followed closely by Floyd Mayweather..

I have been Following Jeff now since about 2002-2003 before he became champion and mainstream and I can proudly say that I wasn't part of the Hype and Media wave that vaulted him to superstardom so from a sentimental standpoint yes Following Jeff's career has been special to me as a fan....The Jeff that fought last night wasn't the same Jeff we are all accustomed to seeing... Jeff just barely squeaked out a win last nite against a game opponent if Jeff wasn't in Florida the fight could have easily gone the other way..

I am not ready to call Jeff "shot" just yet....I did ask myself a few questions and possibilities this morning after I had time to digest all of this..

1) Would Tyspko have given Lacy trouble pre Calzaghe, is Tyspko just a stylistic nightmare for Jeff

2) How much of this performance can be related to ring rust??

3) Why was Jeff lacking the explosive energy and stamina he usually carries, was it because of the long layoff??

4)There is no doubt Jeff is lacking his usual confidence and swagger...

5) Is it time to sever ties with Dan Birmingham, what could Emanuel Steward or Freddy Roach do for Jeff's career if anything..

I am not ready to throw dirt on Jeff and his career and read him his last rites but his situation is in critical condition IMO and the next 5-6 months are very crucial to see if he can make definitive steps forward to jump start and ressisate his career. :-\

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1, Yes he would have.
2, None. There was no ring rust from rounds 1 to 3.
3, Maybe his power was also overrated. And he's never had great stamina
4, I think he realizes that he is not as good as people lead him to beleive
5, Doesn't really matter. Lacy is in his late 20's. He can change things for a round or two. But he'll always revert back to form.

Anyway take your first cc for Quartey-Wright

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Valid points......Like I stated I think the next few months are crucial for him....Who the Hell is he gonna fight next??

I was thinking they might make the Allen Green match.. Problem is I am pretty sure Green hits harder than Tyspko and if Green hit Jeff the same way Tyspko did, Jeff will be counting ceiling tiles....Green has a suspect chin though so I guess we can say Vice Versa Tyspko did absorb some punishment from Jeff as well... Anyway :sadclick: for the bet 6 more to go...

Violent you realize were all tied up here for bets.... I thinks we need a Trilogy here ;)

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Man I'll tell you, I was proud as a peacock watching the 1st 3 rounds of Lacy vs Tyspko... Then well the bottom fell out for lack of a better word, Jeff Didn't change a thing about his style.. He was landing beautifully rounds1-2 and then when Tyspko adjusted, the wheels fell off for Lacy....

Jeff was eating way to many punches and his defense looked leakier than it ever has and his stamina was seemingly at an alltime low too... I say gutted because contrary to most peoples popular belief when it comes down to it Jeff Lacy is my #1 favorite fighter followed closely by Floyd Mayweather..

I have been Following Jeff now since about 2002-2003 before he became champion and mainstream and I can proudly say that I wasn't part of the Hype and Media wave that vaulted him to superstardom so from a sentimental standpoint yes Following Jeff's career has been special to me as a fan....The Jeff that fought last night wasn't the same Jeff we are all accustomed to seeing... Jeff just barely squeaked out a win last nite against a game opponent if Jeff wasn't in Florida the fight could have easily gone the other way..

I am not ready to call Jeff "shot" just yet....I did ask myself a few questions and possibilities this morning after I had time to digest all of this..

1) Would Tyspko have given Lacy trouble pre Calzaghe, is Tyspko just a stylistic nightmare for Jeff

2) How much of this performance can be related to ring rust??

3) Why was Jeff lacking the explosive energy and stamina he usually carries, was it because of the long layoff??

4)There is no doubt Jeff is lacking his usual confidence and swagger...

5) Is it time to sever ties with Dan Birmingham, what could Emanuel Steward or Freddy Roach do for Jeff's career if anything..

I am not ready to throw dirt on Jeff and his career and read him his last rites but his situation is in critical condition IMO and the next 5-6 months are very crucial to see if he can make definitive steps forward to jump start and ressisate his career. :-\

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1, Yes he would have.
2, None. There was no ring rust from rounds 1 to 3.
3, Maybe his power was also overrated. And he's never had great stamina
4, I think he realizes that he is not as good as people lead him to beleive
5, Doesn't really matter. Lacy is in his late 20's. He can change things for a round or two. But he'll always revert back to form.

Anyway take your first cc for Quartey-Wright

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Valid points......Like I stated I think the next few months are crucial for him....Who the Hell is he gonna fight next??

I was thinking they might make the Allen Green match.. Problem is I am pretty sure Green hits harder than Tyspko and if Green hit Jeff the same way Tyspko did, Jeff will be counting ceiling tiles....Green has a suspect chin though so I guess we can say Vice Versa Tyspko did absorb some punishment from Jeff as well... Anyway :sadclick: for the bet 6 more to go...

Violent you realize were all tied up here for bets.... I thinks we need a Trilogy here ;)

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Man I'll tell you, I was proud as a peacock watching the 1st 3 rounds of Lacy vs Tyspko... Then well the bottom fell out for lack of a better word, Jeff Didn't change a thing about his style.. He was landing beautifully rounds1-2 and then when Tyspko adjusted, the wheels fell off for Lacy....

Jeff was eating way to many punches and his defense looked leakier than it ever has and his stamina was seemingly at an alltime low too... I say gutted because contrary to most peoples popular belief when it comes down to it Jeff Lacy is my #1 favorite fighter followed closely by Floyd Mayweather..

I have been Following Jeff now since about 2002-2003 before he became champion and mainstream and I can proudly say that I wasn't part of the Hype and Media wave that vaulted him to superstardom so from a sentimental standpoint yes Following Jeff's career has been special to me as a fan....The Jeff that fought last night wasn't the same Jeff we are all accustomed to seeing... Jeff just barely squeaked out a win last nite against a game opponent if Jeff wasn't in Florida the fight could have easily gone the other way..

I am not ready to call Jeff "shot" just yet....I did ask myself a few questions and possibilities this morning after I had time to digest all of this..

1) Would Tyspko have given Lacy trouble pre Calzaghe, is Tyspko just a stylistic nightmare for Jeff

2) How much of this performance can be related to ring rust??

3) Why was Jeff lacking the explosive energy and stamina he usually carries, was it because of the long layoff??

4)There is no doubt Jeff is lacking his usual confidence and swagger...

5) Is it time to sever ties with Dan Birmingham, what could Emanuel Steward or Freddy Roach do for Jeff's career if anything..

I am not ready to throw dirt on Jeff and his career and read him his last rites but his situation is in critical condition IMO and the next 5-6 months are very crucial to see if he can make definitive steps forward to jump start and ressisate his career. :-\

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1, Yes he would have.
2, None. There was no ring rust from rounds 1 to 3.
3, Maybe his power was also overrated. And he's never had great stamina
4, I think he realizes that he is not as good as people lead him to beleive
5, Doesn't really matter. Lacy is in his late 20's. He can change things for a round or two. But he'll always revert back to form.

Anyway take your first cc for Quartey-Wright

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Valid points......Like I stated I think the next few months are crucial for him....Who the Hell is he gonna fight next??

I was thinking they might make the Allen Green match.. Problem is I am pretty sure Green hits harder than Tyspko and if Green hit Jeff the same way Tyspko did, Jeff will be counting ceiling tiles....Green has a suspect chin though so I guess we can say Vice Versa Tyspko did absorb some punishment from Jeff as well... Anyway :sadclick: for the bet 6 more to go...

Violent you realize were all tied up here for bets.... I thinks we need a Trilogy here ;)

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The fight me and my mates watched involved Tyspko getting robbed >:mad
Lacy's body language said it all and he knew deep down he was gifted a victory.
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lacy can be champ easily all he has to do is HIRE BUDDY MCGIRT !!!!! :action: