IMO Winky deserves his place back at #2!

He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

CC http://Right on man.

Winkster remined me of Ali's Rope-a-dope without the rope, A-Dope! ;D

I kid Winky! :D He's a top fighter. Wish he threw more varations of punches in his youth. It's amazing to see him throw an uppercut. heh I agree with Emmanuel Steward, more variations in punches and he would have KO'd Tito.

I figure he has the best chin pound for pound to get away with THAT defense.
It looks like the wear and tear has finally set in a bit.

Looked like the Arena was pretty full too.

I noticed he was a little slower to, but I think thats because he couldn't get his jab off, and thats the only punch he ever threw really quickly. I don't see him get hit very often cleanly on the jaw, and I was surprised when Quartey did it, but as I began thinking they fought alot and this was Quartey's style first which is why he could find holes nobody else has been able to... I mean Taylor very rarely caught Winky with what I would consider a significant punch. I also still think Mayweather fighting him at 154(If Winky could get down to it) would be a fight he couldn't win.

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He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

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are you kidding me? how come the vets aint school this kid yet? Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey...you think that's better then jmm em mab larios? first of winky drew with j.t. pac drew with jmm...winky whoop tito pac knockout season mab and k.o em twice...while winky has soliman and quartey? wtf those name compares to larios not anywhere near mab and em...and you failed to mention mosley that shows your knowledge...mosley is winkys biggest win that can compare to pacs wins agains em but pac k.o and destroyed em while winky just tamed smaller mosley...so what's left is mab what does winky have to compare to pacs win against mab? tito? beating mab the way pac did is much impressive then winky whooping out of retirment tito...plus tito is no mab...

but anyways to me winky is second p4p and pac is number 1 p4p...

last note...the draws j.t winky and pac jmm...in the rematch pac will finish jmm while winky will still have trouble with young still improving j.t?...so oppenents wise and win wise? who has better resume? hands down pac does...since this is how you look at it so yea.

Taeth was reffering to his last string of wins, as of late. YOu should read before you attack his boxing knowledge.

yeah and the only time Pacquaio fought anything resembling the old Morales he lost decisively. Barrera was clearly not ready for him, and way already past his prime which is why I can't see him winning this time either. The last two EM fights don't impress me at all... EM looked like a ghost out there. Also Larios isn't even close to measurement up to Jermain Taylor, Felix Trinidad, Ike Quartey who are all be HOF's and/or ATG's. If you want to look back Winky did dominate Mosley twice, and he got a bullshit decision against him vs. Vargas that he won. So essentially he is unbeaten since creating this new style, and he out punched Taylor by like 40-60 punches and deserved that fight as well.

winky beat a past prime tito he came out of retirement???...who is so one demensional...and he whooped a much naturally smaller mosley who is and was already past his great days??? coming into the fight with pac...was peoples saying mab was past his prime??? nooooope...pac made the master ladwaba look old he made mab and em grow so much older...its in his punch that makes these guys look old...winky whoop ike tito and mosley all already and clearly past there good ol days...pac gets bash because his younger? and guys he fought he made look old???...j.t in the rematch will whoop winky that's a huge possibility while everyone around pac seems dead or dieing in pacs era...now looking at the fasion of how pac destroys since in fairness accomplishment lately pac and winky is about the same...but pac wins more explosive and much memorable...pac is already like I said before an unforgettable brutal force in boxing history...and he smiles while whooping a$ses haha

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He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

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are you kidding me? how come the vets aint school this kid yet? Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey...you think that's better then jmm em mab larios? first of winky drew with j.t. pac drew with jmm...winky whoop tito pac knockout season mab and k.o em twice...while winky has soliman and quartey? wtf those name compares to larios not anywhere near mab and em...and you failed to mention mosley that shows your knowledge...mosley is winkys biggest win that can compare to pacs wins agains em but pac k.o and destroyed em while winky just tamed smaller mosley...so what's left is mab what does winky have to compare to pacs win against mab? tito? beating mab the way pac did is much impressive then winky whooping out of retirment tito...plus tito is no mab...

but anyways to me winky is second p4p and pac is number 1 p4p...

last note...the draws j.t winky and pac jmm...in the rematch pac will finish jmm while winky will still have trouble with young still improving j.t?...so oppenents wise and win wise? who has better resume? hands down pac does...since this is how you look at it so yea.

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Pac beat Barerra, Pacquiao drew with JMM despite his huge lead, then he got beat by Morales, beat Vasquez, beat Morales after Morales was beaten one sidedly by Raheem then fought Larios who had been stopped in a round prior and then beat Morales again.

Winky just beat Shane Mosley(twice), Tito Trinidad, Jermain Taylor(but they gave him a draw) and now Ike Quartey.
Thing is Wright won the Undisputed 154 pounds title and fought for the undisputed one at 160. Pacquiao has yet to fight for that in any division while on that run(unless you say he achieved it when he beat Barerra).

Winky has been more impressive in who he has fought. Pacquiao has been more impressive in how he won.

Winky probably deserves to be 2 or 3, tight between him and Pacquiao.

I'll give Winky the nod as we know he could probably clean up at 154 and he has shown he can match the best at 160.

Great fighter, boring as hell to me though :-\

A convincing win from the Pac-Barrera2 might secure 2nd or even 1st spot. But as of now Winky deserves at 2nd

yeah f**k winky
winky = boring

Am I the only one who thinks that Wonky lost the fight to Quarter??? Man, I have not seen anyone make the Winsett look so sloppy and miss SO many punches. The only reason that the fight had the action that it did is because Ike was putting it on him. Two knock downs that weren't even knock downs??? And were are suppose to praise him in the sport of boxing??? ......

Look I want to let everyone know before I get bombarded by Wonky lovers......I do think Mr. Wright is a great boxer but to bump him up in ranking after his performance in boxing is a joke!

Big ups to Ike Quartey!!

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Am I the only one who thinks that Wonky lost the fight to Quarter??? Man, I have not seen anyone make the Winsett look so sloppy and miss SO many punches. The only reason that the fight had the action that it did is because Ike was putting it on him. Two knock downs that weren't even knock downs??? And were are suppose to praise him in the sport of boxing??? ......

Look I want to let everyone know before I get bombarded by Wonky lovers......I do think Mr. Wright is a great boxer but to bump him up in ranking after his performance in boxing is a joke!

Big ups to Ike Quartey!!

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IMO Winky is still number one.......I go by last opponents and Winky has fought a better crop in his last 3....
Trinidad
Taylor
Quartey

PBF Fought
Gatti
Baldomir
Judah
If PBF beats DLH then PBF goes to number 1

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IMO Winky is still number one.......I go by last opponents and Winky has fought a better crop in his last 3....
Trinidad
Taylor
Quartey

PBF Fought
Gatti
Baldomir
Judah
If PBF beats DLH then PBF goes to number 1

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winky was lucky to get a draw against taylor because he got beat

and instead of seeing who is better (mayweather or wright) by going back the last 3 opponents, why not go back the last 10 fights? (and dont forget that mayweather has been TRYING to make fights with mosely, delahoya, and hatton the last couple years)






thats why pbf is #1 and winky is #2

Winky Wright deserves a lot more respect than a lot of...posters...give him.

Anyone that thinks Winky lost the fight against Quartey needs their fucking head examined...also...if you saw the Ike fight...& then think you need to rewatch it because some knucklehead says Quartey won...when he clearly did not...then you like that other knucklehead needs the brain scan.

Winky clearly won that fight & the Taylor fight with effective aggressiveness alone, not to mention the fact that he controlled both men with his jab...something that he was not supposed to be able to do against the great Jermain Taylor.

Christ almighty...sometimes...I think I've see it all...& then I read shit like this:

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Am I the only one who thinks that Wonky lost the fight to Quarter??? Man, I have not seen anyone make the Winsett look so sloppy and miss SO many punches. The only reason that the fight had the action that it did is because Ike was putting it on him. Two knock downs that weren't even knock downs??? And were are suppose to praise him in the sport of boxing??? ......

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Sorry...but those were knockdowns.

Also...if you can't find a reason to praise Wright...then you need to start reading his record. He wasn't handed his wins...he made them happen. He beat Mosley...he beat Tito...drew with Taylor & he soundly beat Quartey.

What's funny is that you sunk your own ship with that bullshit statement about Quartey making Wright look sloppy. By your own admission you apparently haven't seen enough Wright fights because he's been made to look worse by other men & he's been beaten before...in which he clearly looked sloppy then.

Fighters miss, fighters lose, & fighters win...either way...Wright's earned his spot as a P4P'er...whether he be #1, 2, or 3...it shows either ignorance or bias to say that he hasn't.

Pound for pound no fighter is perfect...not Floyd...not Pac...& not Wright...no matter how biased any fan can be.

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He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

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are you kidding me? how come the vets aint school this kid yet?

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He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

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are you kidding me? how come the vets aint school this kid yet? Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey...you think that's better then jmm em mab larios? first of winky drew with j.t. pac drew with jmm...winky whoop tito pac knockout season mab and k.o em twice...while winky has soliman and quartey? wtf those name compares to larios not anywhere near mab and em...and you failed to mention mosley that shows your knowledge...mosley is winkys biggest win that can compare to pacs wins agains em but pac k.o and destroyed em while winky just tamed smaller mosley...so what's left is mab what does winky have to compare to pacs win against mab? tito? beating mab the way pac did is much impressive then winky whooping out of retirment tito...plus tito is no mab...

but anyways to me winky is second p4p and pac is number 1 p4p...

last note...the draws j.t winky and pac jmm...in the rematch pac will finish jmm while winky will still have trouble with young still improving j.t?...so oppenents wise and win wise? who has better resume? hands down pac does...since this is how you look at it so yea.

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Pac beat Barerra, Pacquiao drew with JMM despite his huge lead, then he got beat by Morales, beat Vasquez, beat Morales after Morales was beaten one sidedly by Raheem then fought Larios who had been stopped in a round prior and then beat Morales again.

Winky just beat Shane Mosley(twice), Tito Trinidad, Jermain Taylor(but they gave him a draw) and now Ike Quartey.
Thing is Wright won the Undisputed 154 pounds title and fought for the undisputed one at 160. Pacquiao has yet to fight for that in any division while on that run(unless you say he achieved it when he beat Barerra).

Winky has been more impressive in who he has fought. Pacquiao has been more impressive in how he won.

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Am I the only one who thinks that Wonky lost the fight to Quarter??? Man, I have not seen anyone make the Winsett look so sloppy and miss SO many punches. The only reason that the fight had the action that it did is because Ike was putting it on him. Two knock downs that weren't even knock downs??? And were are suppose to praise him in the sport of boxing??? ......

Look I want to let everyone know before I get bombarded by Wonky lovers......I do think Mr. Wright is a great boxer but to bump him up in ranking after his performance in boxing is a joke!

Big ups to Ike Quartey!!

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One of the knock downs was a knockdown(first round), and he easily beat Ike who he hit way more than got hit in return against... Also he wasn't able to use his primary weapon(right jab) pretty much at all in teh fight, and his defense was still pretty good considering if anyone knew how to get past it, it would be Ike.

I agree with Taeth. CC. Pac is my favorite fighter to watch these days--he's clearly more explosive than Wright, and I don't see anyone that can touch him from 135 down. But despite improving with his right and improving slightly on defense, he still wins on total aggression and power. Again, that's great to watch, and I don't mean that dismissively--I really like to watch Manny Pacquiao. But he has obvious flaws that you can see when you watch him, and Wright--despite declining somewhat since the heyday period (vs. Shane and Tito)--doesn't. No one in Pac's weight class can take advantage of his flaws to beat him, but when we're talking p4p I think you have to look at the total package. So people can talk all the shit they want about Mayweather being too risk-averse (in style and in opponent-choice), but the bottom line for me is that the man looks technically flawless in the ring--there's nothing he does that I could call a mistake. That's slightly less true for Winky, but that's just not the case at all for Pac.

When I think about it..... the only famous boxer, including Mosley, Tito, even a Jermain...
... the only one to look half decent against him was VARGAS! haha

What do you guys think?

I don't know most people think winky's borring, but I just love to watch the man in the ring, I don't care if he has knockout power or not, I just love to see him in the ring. As for the poster that said quartey won, we been smokin something lately? I mean I know there are robberies but god dam all the judges had it like 117-109 or something, that would have to be the roberies of roberies, how come nobody noticed it yet as such aside from you??? His defence is still good, I just think it's worsened a little since he also has become much more agressive and offensive. I give him the number 2 spot, because as much as I dislike pbf for his huge mouth, the man has mad skills in the ring.

Man I watched Wright v. Taylor on Christmas night....granted after about 4 bottles of wine...... but hell I find him pretty damn entertaining.

IMO it goes Floyd, Pac, Wright and im sticking with it for now. Although Morrales isnt what he used to be he is still one heck of a boxer, and Pac destroyed him twice! Larrios is no easy fighter to beat either. I think that Taylor beat Wright aswell, perhaps if Wright one that and convincingly he mite be deserving of even number one.

ALRIGHT EVERYONE...SINCE THIS WINKY SITUATION SEEMS TO BE SUCH A DEBACLE...VOTE IT THE FWOCK OUT!!!

FOLLOW THE LINK & VOTE BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO HAVE THIS P4P MESS SORTED FOR THE NEW YEARS.

VOTING ENDS ON DECEMBER THE 31ST & THE LIST HITS THE FRONT PAGE AGAIN FOR THE NEW YEARS.

EVERYONE MUST VOTE!!!

CURRENTLY...FLOYD & PAC ARE TIED FOR THE #1 SLOT...BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER...SO EVERYONE MUST VOTE!!!

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He fought alot harder opponent then Morrales was at this stage of his career, and he won more convincingly than any other person who has beaten Quartey... This was far from the best matchup for a fighter like Wright who was facing the only man who is his peer except maybe ODLH when it comes to the jab, and he like Quartey is getting old. Anyways Pacquaio has been impressive, but he hasn't truly been fighting the same class of opponents as Wright has lately look at Wrights record Trinidad, Soliman, Taylor, Quartey... all in a row. Now Soliman might not be that highly rated and I agree, but he does hold his own in the gym with Kessler, and he did beat Mundine.

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are you kidding me? how come the vets aint school this kid yet?

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Vet or no vet...kid or no kid...it's a good discussion with valid points. Maybe the kid doesn't need to be schoold because he's offering his opinion with a bit of intelligence instead of a biased Pac-fan.

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a biased pac-fan? me? hmm that's a accusation not a fact. wacko off wanna sound smart lets talk fact...I like both pbf and pac I like winky too...what makes me seem a pac fan more is because of frastration from pbf its dissapointing when everyone is talking about all the talent he has but fights a mitchell when he could of took out tony already and now against oscar? come on is oscar suddenly the great oscar because he did what tito just did that is k.o stand still mayorga?...after oscar is pbf gonna stay in 154? or retire did he go up there so he can avoid the deep division welterweight? if I sound more a pacfan its because of pbf...its not fair to call pbf p4p king just because his talent, because talent is there so why don't he have pacs hunger to fight everyone great in a deep division and hunger to finish oppenents...its embarrassing to call pbf p4p king when he didn't even want to finish slow baldomir that was clearly too slow and didn't have any k.o power...pbf as a p4p king is bad for the sport its embarrassing...we need hunger and heart because talent isn't cutting it...without talent can pbf say what he has accomplish with what he didn't have? add on the recent oppenents pbf has fought all a bunch of inconsistent fighters so fuck no I refuse to call talented pbf p4p king...pac has the hunger to fight all and the hunger and heart to finish every oppenent even natural bigger fighters then him...even though pac has flaw is it that easy to beat him fuck no...with pbfs talent is it hard to beat him so far yes but match him with a combination of equal speed and stamina but less boxing skills but add k.o power and hunger...will pbf look so talented against a beast like that? fuck no...

bring it!...

say pac has flaws and? has it been a piece of cake beating him when he was one demensional? fuck no u still had to go throw hell...and now what? pac has improve not to perfection but his hooks and rights are as devestating as his famous left str8...plus his forgotthen monster uppercut...even his counters and defense is improving...plus can we say pac is in his prime now? not really because we all know he keeps showing improvement. so if someone say pbf will be to talented for pac if they fought? fuck no...talent doesn't always cut it against hunger and heart with speed and power...

pac p4p king untill pbf grows as much balls.

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bring it!...

say pac has flaws and? has it been a piece of cake beating him when he was one demensional? F*** no u still had to go throw hell...and now what? pac has improve not to perfection but his hooks and rights are as devestating as his famous left str8...plus his forgotthen monster uppercut...even his counters and defense is improving...plus can we say pac is in his prime now? not really because we all know he keeps showing improvement. so if someone say pbf will be to talented for pac if they fought? F*** no...talent doesn't always cut it against hunger and heart with speed and power...

pac p4p king untill pbf grows as much balls.

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I never said that Pac wasn't good & I never said that he hadn't improved...but you are a Pac-Fan & unfortunately you fail to realize that he has looked less than average before & has gotten his ass handed to him.

He is beatable.

Also...I'm not going to sit here & mince words with someone who thinks they can get their points across by dropping F-Bombs & throwing out cheer leader threats like "bring it".

I'm not challenging you to a duel, I don't have a sword pointed at your throat, & I aint at the bottom of some pyramid nor am I raising pom-poms cheering you on.

Face facts...you are a Pac fan & if it's not your way...it's the wrong way. You say your'e a fan of the other two candidates...but you keep insulting them & stating that your man is better...PAC-FAN.

Your'e just blind to the fact.

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Winky Wright deserves a lot more respect than a lot of...posters...give him.

Anyone that thinks Winky lost the fight against Quartey needs their F****** head examined...also...if you saw the Ike fight...& then think you need to rewatch it because some knucklehead says Quartey won...when he clearly did not...then you like that other knucklehead needs the brain scan.

Winky clearly won that fight & the Taylor fight with effective aggressiveness alone, not to mention the fact that he controlled both men with his jab...something that he was not supposed to be able to do against the great Jermain Taylor.

Christ almighty...sometimes...I think I've see it all...& then I read S*** like this:

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Am I the only one who thinks that Wonky lost the fight to Quarter??? Man, I have not seen anyone make the Winsett look so sloppy and miss SO many punches. The only reason that the fight had the action that it did is because Ike was putting it on him. Two knock downs that weren't even knock downs??? And were are suppose to praise him in the sport of boxing??? ......

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Sorry...but those were knockdowns.

Also...if you can't find a reason to praise Wright...then you need to start reading his record. He wasn't handed his wins...he made them happen. He beat Mosley...he beat Tito...drew with Taylor & he soundly beat Quartey.

What's funny is that you sunk your own ship with that bullshit statement about Quartey making Wright look sloppy. By your own admission you apparently haven't seen enough Wright fights because he's been made to look worse by other men & he's been beaten before...in which he clearly looked sloppy then.

Fighters miss, fighters lose, & fighters win...either way...Wright's earned his spot as a P4P'er...whether he be #1, 2, or 3...it shows either ignorance or bias to say that he hasn't.

Pound for pound no fighter is perfect...not Floyd...not Pac...& not Wright...no matter how biased any fan can be.

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i like winky but knockdowns to me didnt look like knockdowns one of them was a slip but anyway he won the fight no question i dont think anyone on this board except that slick guy thinks winky lost

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bring it!...

say pac has flaws and? has it been a piece of cake beating him when he was one demensional? F*** no u still had to go throw hell...and now what? pac has improve not to perfection but his hooks and rights are as devestating as his famous left str8...plus his forgotthen monster uppercut...even his counters and defense is improving...plus can we say pac is in his prime now? not really because we all know he keeps showing improvement. so if someone say pbf will be to talented for pac if they fought? F*** no...talent doesn't always cut it against hunger and heart with speed and power...

pac p4p king untill pbf grows as much balls.

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I never said that Pac wasn't good & I never said that he hadn't improved...but you are a Pac-Fan & unfortunately you fail to realize that he has looked less than average before & has gotten his a** handed to him.

He is beatable.

Also...I'm not going to sit here & mince words with someone who thinks they can get their points across by dropping F-Bombs & throwing out cheer leader threats like "bring it".

I'm not challenging you to a duel, I don't have a sword pointed at your throat, & I aint at the bottom of some pyramid nor am I raising pom-poms cheering you on.

Face facts...you are a Pac fan & if it's not your way...it's the wrong way. You say your'e a fan of the other two candidates...but you keep insulting them & stating that your man is better...PAC-FAN.

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ooh ok if I'm bias for pac admit your bias against him...you say he has improve and say he got his ass handed to him...ahh ok lets look back...he lost twice by k.o...that was himm years and years ago he was a raw aggressive kid...his last lost was to em and look back at all the real past greats when they lost they k.oed the oppenent in the rematch...hmm yes pac is beatable and who do you think who isn't beatable? pbf? yea ok lets keep putting him with inconsistent fighters he sure will be unbeatable...we talking about todays p4p if u mention castillo and corrales when pbf beat then ur an idiot look how many lost they have since u hightly credit and bash lost and wins right? and if you mention pacs two k.o lost then again ur an idiot...p4p is not about the whole career its about how good they are right now?...if it was career wise then roy and hopkins would of never fell of top 2 as p4p...plus only way pbf got top spot is because those two lost who the fuck did pbf beat to get top spot no fucking body...plus pac and winky has whoop legends while everyone on pbf has is guys that's inconsistent and has lost to others too...since u bash pac for his lost bash pbf for his oppenents because his not the only who has beaten them...unlike pac his the only one to destroy mab only one to k.o em only one to give hell to a master like jmm...only thing holding on to pbf as a p4p top is his highly credited talent and his undeafeated record...once a flush left hook by an old oscar then comes out all the I told you so pbf was a fruad...as for pac yea he has flaws but he still gives hell to the great in his division...as for pbf his an embarressment we call him p4p king and he doesn't even have the hunger to finish baldomir and stay at one division and take out anyone consider a treat...he jumps weights and captures titles...what a punk...he said tony doesnt deserve a shot at him wtf but he takes on mitchell...how good is he really if you put him against real consistent fighters...and he didn't gave a fuck how much his getting he just has hunger that pbf should have if he wants respect...

if I'm gonna agree pbf is p4p king then he needs to go and completely wipe out the welterweight beat cotto beat hatton beat tony williams everyone stop and show how good he really is...he has the talent right? but clearly he doesn't have the heart...and if anything in boxing history heart has always been historical over just talent...talent without heart doesn't deserve respect fighters know it fans should too.

he better not retires too he will look like a complete b1tch...to his doubters and even to some of his own fans...

wackoff go ahead insult him that's all you can do talk facts don't waste my time with childish insult...talk about being blind to facts then you really are a drunk ass bum.