As for me I think Valuev has nothing, he's just a big ogre with less than mediocre boxing ability. I say the legend could take him by unanimous decision.
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As for me I think Valuev has nothing, he's just a big ogre with less than mediocre boxing ability. I say the legend could take him by unanimous decision.
I say Valuev by KO but it will be on a rabbit punch. Poor Evander will just be the icing on the cake for this big phoney.
Evander has all the heart in the world but it won't help him vs Valuev....Valuev's record will be legitimized by adding Holyfield's name to it or so his handlers think
As much as I would love to see the real deal slay sasquach, I have a hard time believing that Evander would be able to handle the sheer size of Valuev at this point in his career, plus Valuev has been looking better lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Pulling off Valuev would be like trying to get a telegraph pole out of a sleeping bag!!
:P
Holyfield by decision. I don't care if Valuev looks better recently, thats because he couldn't get worse! Valuev is way too slow and sloppy to win this one and holyfield boxes to a decision in his favor.
don't buy into the hype of his comeback, we're talking about a guy who got TKO'd by James Toney vs a 7 foot 325 pound man-beast who rabbit punches like a motherfucker
I think holyfield was washed up years ago (hence chris byrd's second title reign which consisted of 4 defenses in 5 years and his first one lasted no fights because vitali quit in a fight he had won and wlad beat byrd's ass in his first defense which is why i consider it a joke to call byrd a two-time champion), but i think he still has plenty left to defeat valuev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Alright my Southern Brutha from anutha Mutha.... This fight is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT for Evander....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Heres why.... Evander can still Box..... The biggest gripe is His diminishing skills, Now he dosent have to be Lightning quick to get off against Valuev so his window of opportunity to land a punch will be a tad bit extended and he dosent need to chase him around either, Evander has the power to Hurt Valuev. Evander has a good short compact Left Hook on the inside and can dig away.... He dosent have to be that active either...
Prime Holyfield or Classic Holyfield can beat this big Momaluke...... Evander 12 UD
Lyle I'm Curious on how you think Early to mid 90's Holyfield would handle the in shape James Toney that TKO'd him a few years back..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think a prime Evander really works too hard for Toney to cope with....it would have been a WAR (without Evander losing)
Evander might still be able to box but his style is to be in close, work hard, throw more punches. Valuev has a HUGE reach a decent jab and he clubs the back of the head like Sam Peter. Valuev is awkward but not to a point where he's good he just makes guys think about hitting him a little longer than anyone else.....but those guys he has fought are bums.
His title defenses are so pathetic.....Beck, Barrett, McCline??? I wouldn't be scared to meet those guys in the ring!!!
100% holyfeild will get hurt and probably KOed early, then retire for fuks sake! its over evander!
as for Valuev, he suxs hard and i hope the next great comes along soon and rips his heart out!
Evander would knock him out ! O0Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
I am one of the few people who think Valuev is underestimated... to an extent. He is so strong he would push Evander back everytime Evander tried to get in, and Valuev would beat him with the jab and cross.
Evander was fighting for several years with a torn rotator cuff. most guys would have been bitching dogging , but Evander kept on fighting unfortunately doing more damage each time out.. However after 4 surgeries to repair it, he is back. and in great form. Look for Evander to fight well into his late 40's with titles in hand ! Today's Heavyweights are snuff queens at best ! HOLYFIELD 2007 O0Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I STILL haven seen the Evander/Fres fight soQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
based on the Donald fight and assuming that there was no HUGE change or improvement in Evanders punch output and ability to get off.
Valuev is raw but he does have a decent work rate. Hes naturally that big not a small guy with smalll lungs and heart who has beefed up to 350.
Unlike evander/briggs etc.
Now ruiz did ok and Evander is about the same so its not out of the question that evander wins but.
With the giant Every punch does damage and evander WILL NOT be able to push him around or tire him out. Evander won fights on conditioning and work rate. he just plain out worked you till you tired out. had trouble with BIG natural strong guys like BOWE and clutchers like ruiz. I think that Evander runs out of gas after being mauled and the giant hairy ape man then takes him home to his Yeti cave to be his man-slave.
look at these pics!
(hope this works) look at the size dif ruiz/apeman ruiz/evander
Well at that level it'd be easy for evander to sneak in a headbutt to the nuts and ko valuev if the ref doesn't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
Even Jeremy Bates shook Holyfield up a few times, he no longer has a chin, Valuev by KO, I hope it never happens, say what you like about Valuev, but he's impressive just to watch such a huge guy box properly, if a little cumbersome and slowly but for he wins the fights, and it looks like he'll be tough to beat, someone big and quickish needs to fight him, like Klitschko or Lyakhovich. Face it, he's a freak, but he ain't bad for boxing, we'd all love to see that freak show.
The legend is dead. Valuev would lean on him and wear Holyfield out, then stop him with clubbing shot Evander would have ignored in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
Gotta pick Valuev by TKO. Evander's time ran off. Got old.
Are you a 'Viz' fan, Spinebuster?
;)
Valuev pulls this off. Holyfield has to deal with that 10+ inch advantage and unless he is able to KO valuev hitting up that high his stamina still has to be good enough to go 12 rounds and in his case it means spurt fighting.
Valuev on the other hand should really consider experimenting with plyometrics and explosive power training. His problem is that he is too slow to have significant pop in his punches. He needs speed work.
So much for the old theory about hand size and KO power.
Viz? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by X
It's a really funny comic in the Uk (for adults) - your avatar is one of their T-shirt prints. I saw it and was wondering if you were a reader if it?
Nope. Just found it on yahoo images. I'm more of a beer fan. Haha! :beerchug:Quote:
Originally Posted by X
5 years ago Evander would beat Valuev, I dont even doubt it...NOW I wouldnt even give him a chance. I think Val would just lean on him all night and basically exhaust Evander for a late stoppage.
Im a real big fan of Holyfields but he just doesnt have another big performance in him IMO, Im not even sure I'd want to watch the fight :(
Valuev wins by UD. Holy isnt a fraction of what he was and Valuev would just keep him at distance and plant shots which will roll of Evanders chin.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I think he's still got something left. Holyfield is an odd one because he has times in his career where he lags due to health problems, lack of faith whatever (see michael moorer-holyfield 1); but then he comes back and kicks ass and wins another belt. I think his delayed reaction time and slower-than-in-his-prime speed wont be a factor against the big russian gorilla guy. I do think Holyfield has the power to KO him too. I cant believe how many people picked Valuev to beat the Real Deal by KO. Only way JT KOed him was on the body, which Valuen is too big to stoop down to hit. You arent knockin Holyfield out with a head shot unless you hit him really hard in the back of the head and then on the way down ala Riddick Bowe in their third meeting. Holyfield can definitely still beat Valuev, Maskaev and Briggs. It all depends on which Holyfield shows up. Does he still have it in him to take Valuev? Absolutely. Will that extra something he needs to do be there on fight night should this fight happen? THAT is the question that is up in the air. And in answer to a previous post, I too think that a prime Holyfield would have beaten James Toney.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
Holyfield in his day was a machine....a well oiled ,full gastank punching machine. hed wear you down and beat you down. even big strong skilled boxers had ahard time (bowe).
I love evander, but now hes a squeaky,rusty unicycle with a flat tire,broken spokes and a torn seat. Last two fights he couldnt get off. The thing that carried him to greatness is gone. Old age is a ruthless neighbour who moves in and borrows all of your tools till your garage is empty. His heart might let him get a few tools back but i cant see him beating anyone who is a top HW. I do however think he could get a 5th belt if he choses his oppent very carfully and is lucky. But his ranking and performances dont give him the clout to pick and choose who he can fight. If he gets anothers shot from anyone he'll probably have to take it no matter who it is. Valuev may be a wildcard,Ruiz did ok againsthim and that might be enough to encourage Evander. His best bet is against a Briggs who has an Asthma attack in round one and leg cramps in rounds 2,3,4 followwed by a spastic colon in rounds 5 & 6.
Please .. ..........The whole division is a wreaking yard . Evander is the Jem of the bunch , at 44 he will easily become champion again. ! Holyfield 2007 ! O0Quote:
Originally Posted by landmine950
i actually think that evander COULD win this one if he fought a smart fight (he usually doesnt)
if he fights valuev the way that ruiz did, he wins this one hands down (assuming its in the usa) because from what i hear ruiz was robbed and evander is gonna get anything thats even remotely close to a "close" decision
but if he tries to be evander the warrior/punching bag of old, then valuev walks right through him