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Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
I'm watching this forum and I see that people are talking about that Cotto can beat Mayweather or move up and fight all these different elite fighters like a Zab Judah or Margarito or someone of that nature, some even saying he deserves to be p4p.
I have no doubt in my mind that he could beat Cintron.
But the other names mentioned, even p4p.
Who did Cotto just beat?
Quintana.
Who has Quintana beat?
Julio.
Who is Julio?
I don't consider Carlos Quintana as the best opponent that Miguel has faced. I consider DeMarcus Corley still the best opponent on Cotto's list of fights. Quintana was a step down from Cotto's last fight imo.
Quintana is a guy who had a style made for someone like Cotto particularly in his weaknesses.
I said before this fight around October that Quintana was going to get beat.
Some of the things I heard was that Quintana beat a great fighter in Julio that was better then anyone that Cotto has beaten. To that I responded
"If Julio went to the body then we wouldn't be talking about Quintana. His turn away style defense exposes his ribs and Cotto may as well break them. Ask Virgil hill what happened when Roy did it to him"
And this is true, Julio attacked Quintana strickly to the head when his defense exposed his body to shots whenever one was thrown. Cotto exposed this as well and probably broke a rib or two.
I agree with everyone that Quintana boxed beautifully against Julio.
But like I said that "Quintana has a lot of promise but this is the wrong guy to find that out against. He's jumping from a Guppy to a Shark and he's still a goldfish."
And the shark(Cotto) did exactly what it was supposed to do to the Goldfish.
Like I said, Quintana HAD a lot of promise, Cotto was just the wrong guy to try to find out against.
and as far as the Julio fight, at the same time I'm asking you what did Julio do? It had a lot to do with things that Julio wasn't doing in that fight then what Quintana was. There were holes but Julio wasn't taking advantage the way a fighter like Miguel Cotto did.
I believe credit is where credit is due, but the talk of Cotto beating Mayweather or Cotto being p4p now and everything like that is going very overboard when he just only beat Quintana and dispatched of him early.
It was only Carlos Quintana.
As far as Cotto's next fight. I would like him to fight the REAL avoided guy in the division and another fellow Puerto Rico born fighter named Luis Collazo.
This is a fight where we can really see what Miguel Cotto is made out of in the 147 pound division to see if he's ready tp fight the top fighters in this division.
Let's not throw Cotto on such a high level before he's fought anyone to even show if he is capable of the levels we are trying to put him on.
-Majesty
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
It looks like some people can never be pleased. Quintana was undefeated and was, is a good fighter. If Quintana was a slugger everybody would say Cotto beat somebody who just came at him. Made for Cotto. How would he deal with a boxer who didn't just stay in front of him? Can he adjust and cut off the ring? Well guess what? Quintana was a boxer. A good one. Cotto had some problems in the beginning but he adjusted and scored an impressive win. Give the man his credit.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It looks like some people can never be pleased. Quintana was undefeated and was, is a good fighter. If Quintana was a slugger everybody would say Cotto beat somebody who just came at him. Made for Cotto. How would he deal with a boxer who didn't just stay in front of him? Can he adjust and cut off the ring? Well guess what? Quintana was a boxer. A good one. Cotto had some problems in the beginning but he adjusted and scored an impressive win. Give the man his credit.
I give Quintana credit but like I said. He was a Goldfish in with a shark. And Quintana got away with things and holes that he couldn't and wouldn't get away with in the upper class. And Cotto showed that.
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Simply put Cotto moved up in weight, fought a dangerous southpaw, and he destroyed him. I like how people thought Quintana was dangerous before and now discredit him because Cotto beat him so easily.
Cotto is as good as his last fight and this means he's deserving of such great praise
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Simply put Cotto moved up in weight, fought a dangerous southpaw, and he destroyed him. I like how people thought Quintana was dangerous before and now discredit him because Cotto beat him so easily.
Cotto is as good as his last fight and this means he's deserving of such great praise
CC...That's exactly right. Many people were picking Quintana to win and I myself wasn't convinced that Cotto would win. Quintana is really really good and if he gets another opportunity, you will see that. Anyhow, Cotto looked like his early years at 140 aroud the time he won the title and that was the Cotto everyone was falling for. I guess the weight was an even bigger issue than he was letting on.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
It looks like some people can never be pleased. Quintana was undefeated and was, is a good fighter. If Quintana was a slugger everybody would say Cotto beat somebody who just came at him. Made for Cotto. How would he deal with a boxer who didn't just stay in front of him? Can he adjust and cut off the ring? Well guess what? Quintana was a boxer. A good one. Cotto had some problems in the beginning but he adjusted and scored an impressive win. Give the man his credit.
Good post,CC. Andthat was a HUGE ASS ring he was cutting off well!!! It's about time Cotto got some credit,he has fought some good fighters,moved up and fought a dangerous slick southpaw. Quintana also beat Cassiani who KTFO Collazo in 3 so that was a good win too and IF qUINTANA was younger(and he may very well stick around)he would have a bright future ahead of him and would still be one of the best WW's He's 30 now so I don't know if he'll come back.
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
Cotto is a ferocious body puncher even up at the bigger weight.
Yeah he looked impressive but the elite won't quit on their stool like Quintana did ;)
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Cotto is a ferocious body puncher even up at the bigger weight.
Yeah he looked impressive but the elite won't quit on their stool like Quintana did ;)
So Tszyu wasn't elite because he quit on his stool against Hatton?
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
but you said
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Yeah he looked impressive but the elite won't quit on their stool like Quintana did ;)
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
Cue the Anti Hatton Brigade ::**
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Cue the Anti Hatton Brigade ::**
No, just following up on what El Gamo said.
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Cotto is a ferocious body puncher even up at the bigger weight.
Yeah he looked impressive but the elite won't quit on their stool like Quintana did ;)
Not all will quit on their stools. Others will take knees and bow down, while others will continue to fight with a broken jaws, cracked ribs and internal bleeding.
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Re: Miguel Cotto vs. Carlos Quintana(Majestic thoughts)
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Cue the Anti Hatton Brigade ::**
You said something contradictory,I pointed that out and that makes me anti Hatton? I like Hatton and I think he is an awesome fighter at 140 but Cotto is a better fighter and even if they don't meet in th ering,Cotto WILL leave a btter legacy and again,I stressI am not ANTI anyone especially Hatton. He is an exciting vicious fighter,I just like Cotto more and think Miguel is better in most aspects.
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But Smash,I'll agree with you on 1 thing,Hatton battered Tszyu,watched the fight again this morning and although Tszyu landed a few shots,Hatton whooped him!
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
You are talking papas.
I know you do not want me to post the after photos of Hatton against Collazo do you?
If he beat Collazo silly, why didnt he stick around and give him the rematch?
BTW I see you are right.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...engartecw6.jpg
Here is Ricky beating Luis silly with his face.
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BTW. I want to see Collazo come and try to get his belt back.
He wont last 12 rounds with Cotto.
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The Cotto that fought just then has a chance to defeat every fighter at 147 and 154! haha
That Cotto was baaadd-*ssss, that night. 8)
I think Cotto is the most experienced young fighter in "fighting" right now.
Ehh, maybe one of the most. ;D
But when I say that, I mean he's been in a REAL FIGHT more than any titlist perhaps. I'm talking about a fight were either can win, a real fight, and Cotto took that pressure and won every time. One example was when Richardo Torres for a moment made that fight into "Who knows who's gonna win this now!" match. It is very difficult to be in a circumstance where one microsecond, your almost ready to face the canvas in front of millions... and you can live in those circumstances and fight intelligently in them. And during all this Cotto has his game face, with full compure. 8) Simply one in a million.
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
You are talking papas.
I know you do not want me to post the after photos of Hatton against Collazo do you?
If he beat Collazo silly, why didnt he stick around and give him the rematch?
BTW I see you are right.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...engartecw6.jpg
Here is Ricky beating Luis silly with his face.
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Sorry einstien but i was refering to Tszyu ::**
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Originally Posted by Smashup
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Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
You are talking papas.
I know you do not want me to post the after photos of Hatton against Collazo do you?
If he beat Collazo silly, why didnt he stick around and give him the rematch?
BTW I see you are right.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2...engartecw6.jpg
Here is Ricky beating Luis silly with his face.
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Sorry einstien but i was refering to Tszyu ::**
http://www.sho.com/site/boxing/image...rds_photo2.jpg
PS Einstein is spelled this way.
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
The BIG difference is that Tzyu was hit by Hatton and Quintana was hit by Cotto.
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Originally Posted by Smashup
Come off it mate,Hatton bashed him silly where as Quintana got hit twice and lost his a**hole ;)
Big Difference!!
All those rabbit punches, low blows and grabing and hitting sure did take a toll on Tzsyu. It was easy to get away with when the ref/uncle/godfather don't stop it.
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Cant have this all one way ;D
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Originally Posted by Memphis
Cant have this all one way ;D
Cotto's troubles at 140 were due to killing himself making weight, fighting in spurts, and not respecting anyone's power.
Cotto has the defensive skills he just never uses them. VS Abdullaev he did very well on defense
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Originally Posted by Memphis
Cant have this all one way ;D
http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...?image_id=3766
of course it looked like this at the end
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;D
You can do better than that surely. Do you not have a picture of Eamon Magee thumping Hatton to the floor?
You dissapoint me.
It was a joke Lyle ;D
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Simply put Cotto moved up in weight, fought a dangerous southpaw, and he destroyed him. I like how people thought Quintana was dangerous before and now discredit him because Cotto beat him so easily.
Cotto is as good as his last fight and this means he's deserving of such great praise
It's kind of irony that most people thought Collazo was a nobody before Hatton and after Hatton 'lost' suddenly Collazo is a master boxer ::**
So great in fact that his fight on the undercard of Briggs Lyakhovich wasn't deemed worthy to be screened by Showtime :P
Cotto did what Hatton failed to do against better opposition and with style.
Plus Cotto is only 5 ft 7 roughly the same size as Hatton, it was first fight at the weight and he won the title.
Billy Graham, said in defense of Hatton, 'Its unheard of for a fighter to move up a division and fight for and win a world title in their first fight at the new weight. Obviously he had never heard of Hopkins, Jones and overlooked Mayweather.........well now Cotto has joined them.
Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Simply put Cotto moved up in weight, fought a dangerous southpaw, and he destroyed him. I like how people thought Quintana was dangerous before and now discredit him because Cotto beat him so easily.
Cotto is as good as his last fight and this means he's deserving of such great praise
It's kind of irony that most people thought Collazo was a nobody before Hatton and after Hatton 'lost' suddenly Collazo is a master boxer ::**
So great in fact that his fight on the undercard of Briggs Lyakhovich wasn't deemed worthy to be screened by Showtime :P
Cotto did what Hatton failed to do against better opposition and with style.
Plus Cotto is only 5 ft 7 roughly the same size as Hatton, it was first fight at the weight and he won the title.
Billy Graham, said in defense of Hatton, 'Its unheard of for a fighter to move up a division and fight for and win a world title in their first fight at the new weight. Obviously he had never heard of Hopkins, Jones and overlooked Mayweather.........well now Cotto has joined them.
Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
I'd agree Cotto deserves the top 10 p4p position.
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Im getting to be a bigger Cotto fan the more I watch him. But I for one am not ready to bestow a top 10 p4p status on him just yet (I would put him at 11 ;D). I would like to see him with one of the other belt holders at 147 and see how he does. Im expecting great things from him. Thanks to El Gamo I have become a serious fan of his.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
How exactly? Cotto shouldnt replace anyone on any pound for pound list. If he is on anyones list now he should have been on it to begin with. He looked good beating Quintana but is beating Quintana worthy of a leap up any list P4P or otherwise? I say no. Cotto proved what he has done so many times. He is too much for any second tier opponant. When he beats Margarito then we can talk P4P.
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
How exactly? Cotto shouldnt replace anyone on any pound for pound list. If he is on anyones list now he should have been on it to begin with. He looked good beating Quintana but is beating Quintana worthy of a leap up any list P4P or otherwise? I say no. Cotto proved what he has done so many times. He is too much for any second tier opponant. When he beats Margarito then we can talk P4P.
Floyd made it to the top on some peoples list by beating 2nd , 3rd and 4th tier opponents so why should it be any different for Cotto.
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That may be true, it isnt but it could be ;D
The difference being that Miguel has ONLY beaten 2nd 3rd and 4th tier opposition ;)
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I like Cotto and have defended him a lot, but I also don't think he is quite top 10 p4p yet. I agree that he will be there soon, but beating Urkal won't make his case, we won't know until he fights Margarito.
He is still so young and needs more experience, but he is definately on track.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
I like Cotto and have defended him a lot, but I also don't think he is quite top 10 p4p yet. I agree that he will be there soon, but beating Urkal won't make his case, we won't know until he fights Margarito.
He is still so young and needs more experience, but he is definately on track.
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I like Cotto and have defended him a lot, but I also don't think he is quite top 10 p4p yet. I agree that he will be there soon, but beating Urkal won't make his case, we won't know until he fights Margarito.
He is still so young and needs more experience, but he is definately on track.
I agree that he's not P4P yet. It took me awhile but now I've become a fan of Cotto's. Always exciting. But he hasn't beaten the level of opponents yet to deserve P4P. I assume he'll be there one of these days.
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Originally Posted by Memphis
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Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
How exactly? Cotto shouldnt replace anyone on any pound for pound list. If he is on anyones list now he should have been on it to begin with. He looked good beating Quintana but is beating Quintana worthy of a leap up any list P4P or otherwise? I say no. Cotto proved what he has done so many times. He is too much for any second tier opponant. When he beats Margarito then we can talk P4P.
Don't forget that with that destruction he bacame a two time world champion, in two different weight classes. His level of opposition with the exception of Tszyu has been markedly better than Hatton's with a few decent names in there even if none were elite.
The question to me is, if Cotto isn't dserving of a spot, then how come Ricky Hatton is?
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You said it yourself he has Tszyu on his resume. Hatton is a three time world champion in two weight classes, four if we include the WBU ;D (just kidding) As soon as Cotto batters Margarito he earns his spot.
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Originally Posted by Memphis
That may be true, it isnt but it could be ;D
The difference being that Miguel has ONLY beaten 2nd 3rd and 4th tier opposition ;)
I definitely see your point but, Quintana is top tier and everyone will soon see that if he didn't get ruined by the Cotto fight. Floyd hasn't fought any worthwhile opponents besides Zab in a very long time and he's been steadily climbing the p4p ranks. I don't take anything away from Floyd as far as skills but he's proving that that he's more talker than fighter. That is the reason why I have Winky and Pac ahead of him. They keep proving they can do it against the best.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Simply put Cotto moved up in weight, fought a dangerous southpaw, and he destroyed him. I like how people thought Quintana was dangerous before and now discredit him because Cotto beat him so easily.
Cotto is as good as his last fight and this means he's deserving of such great praise
It's kind of irony that most people thought Collazo was a nobody before Hatton and after Hatton 'lost' suddenly Collazo is a master boxer ::**
So great in fact that his fight on the undercard of Briggs Lyakhovich wasn't deemed worthy to be screened by Showtime :P
Cotto did what Hatton failed to do against better opposition and with style.
Plus Cotto is only 5 ft 7 roughly the same size as Hatton, it was first fight at the weight and he won the title.
Billy Graham, said in defense of Hatton, 'Its unheard of for a fighter to move up a division and fight for and win a world title in their first fight at the new weight. Obviously he had never heard of Hopkins, Jones and overlooked Mayweather.........well now Cotto has joined them.
Cotto earns his spot in the to 10 p4p at the expense of Hatton.
CC niiiiiice post. I am not sure if Cotto is top 10 P4P just yet,but he CERTAINLY is close!
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Originally Posted by Memphis
That may be true, it isnt but it could be ;D
The difference being that Miguel has ONLY beaten 2nd 3rd and 4th tier opposition ;)
I definitely see your point but, Quintana is top tier and everyone will soon see that if he didn't get ruined by the Cotto fight. Floyd hasn't fought any worthwhile opponents besides Zab in a very long time and he's been steadily climbing the p4p ranks. I don't take anything away from Floyd as far as skills but he's proving that that he's more talker than fighter. That is the reason why I have Winky and Pac ahead of him. They keep proving they can do it against the best.
Im OK with Pacquiao. I love Winky but when was the last time he beat someone who was his equal physically? Good names dont get me wrong, but he is holding the aces at all times.
Moot point really as we are talking about Cotto but thats my two cents worth ;D
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That may be true, it isnt but it could be ;D
The difference being that Miguel has ONLY beaten 2nd 3rd and 4th tier opposition ;)
I definitely see your point but, Quintana is top tier and everyone will soon see that if he didn't get ruined by the Cotto fight. Floyd hasn't fought any worthwhile opponents besides Zab in a very long time and he's been steadily climbing the p4p ranks. I don't take anything away from Floyd as far as skills but he's proving that that he's more talker than fighter. That is the reason why I have Winky and Pac ahead of him. They keep proving they can do it against the best.
Im OK with Pacquiao. I love Winky but when was the last time he beat someone who was his equal physically? Good names dont get me wrong, but he is holding the aces at all times.
Moot point really as we are talking about Cotto but thats my two cents worth ;D
At least you make valid points and make me think. I can't stand talking to guys in here who are biased fans. CC for that
