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There is talk how he would of done in the 80's, I think he would have spent most of his time on his back looking at the stars. Where the word greatness is used, think of the great fighters in the 80's leonard, duran, hearnes, pryor, hagler, benitez to name but a few . It takes more than a big mouth to prove your good, He has he fought, an old welter weight... and that is about it, JLC had him down with a BODY PUNCH, watch at 3:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1Uy...elated&search= look at mayweather get away with a knockdown. 36-1-24... that should be his record to this day. If you think he is great, you dont know much about boxing. I have been following boxing for over 30 years, i have got out of bed in the middle of the night to watch duran,leonard,hearnes,hagler to name yet a few. But i would not get out of the chair to watch floyd, over hyped and a runner thats
Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather.

If castillio floors him what will hatton do with his body shots!!! cause mayweather cant run from him ;D ;D ;D

Sorry mate i like Hatton but he gets severly Schooled by Mayweather. Like him or loath him, the bloke is FOOKING talented, theres no two ways about that. I personally think his defence would give Hearns alot of trouble, its a 50/50 IMO, i back Leonard to take him out at welter though. If PBF beats DeLaHoya convincingly, that is a damn good win for him. IMO its still not enough to warrent his 'greatness' comments but he is damn talented.

Yes he is talented......... >:mad but i still dont think he is that good, come on all the fighter out there now he could fight hatton, cotto, collazo, magarito, and that is 4 fighter's already possibly one of these you think ??? he should fight. The 80's elites fought each other mayweather well, picking his fights when he is hurt he runs. Not for me that is not greatness and he has not got it all when has he gone toe 2 toe ???. Hatton has proved that and the other fighters i have mentioned.

Hate him or love him but theres no denying he is a great boxer and definately one of the best in the world right now. You can compare him to the greats of the 80s for as long as you like but he can only fight the best around now and in moving up to take on De La Hoya I believe hes doing that. I think he'll put on a great show against Oscar but its a fight I dont see him winning. I see De La Hoya not only handing the pretty boy his first loss but maybe even knocking him out.
As for Hatton, thats a fight that'll never happen because Mayweather is intent on keep moving up through the weights and Hatton didnt look comfortable above light welter. If they'd fought a 140 pounds Id give it to Ricky but not above that. At welter I reckon Cotto would have a better chance than anyone else.

Mayweather is to boxing as Vick is to NFL football.

They both have unparalleled skill and neither will achieve greatness.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Mayweather is to boxing as Vick is to NFL football.

They both have unparalleled skill and neither will achieve greatness.

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Ouch!!
You know now that you mention it, and I read it a few times it makes sense fwocken Vick can play his azz off but he doesn't do it when it matters the most.....

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Originally Posted by Counter

If you think he is great, you dont know much about boxing.
If castillio floors him what will hatton do with his body shots!!! cause mayweather cant run from him ;D ;D ;D

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If you think Ricky Hatton would stand a chance in hell of beating Floyd Mayweather, you don't know much about boxing. If Gatti lasted 6, maybe Hatton makes it thru 8 or 9. And in those 8 or 9 rounds, he will have been completely outclassed by a faster and smarter fighter.
That fight will never happen, becausse everyone would know that it's a complete mismatch, most of all Hatton would know it himself.

Mayweather may be annoying at times, and god knows his obsessive fans are, but he's not always a runner. Usually he's fun to watch, take out Castillo 2, Sosa, and Baldomir and he's usually in exciting fights IMO. He's a very good inside fighter, not just an outside boxer mover. I like boxers, I don't really like guys that just move all day and don't throw much but jabs, but Floyd doesn't dothat often. Watch Genaro Hernandez, Chavez (although he did move some in this one, still fun to watch cause he's throwing punches, not just moving, same for Corrales), Augustus, Castillo 1, N'dou, Corley, Gatti, Mitchell, even Judah was allright and he was the one making the fight.

Personally, I'd find it very hard to see Hatton doing anything but getting a lesson by Mayweather. Hatton is a competent fighter at world level, but he is not really much of a technical fighter, more of a heart, guts and blood n thunder kind of fighter, but he would need to hit Mayweather flush with 3 or 4 lucky shots in the same round to have a realistic shot at winning. Despite Hatton's workrate, I think the Mayweather would stay at distance and pick him off.

Also Hatton only just beat Collazo in a very tight affair at welterweight, so I think he'll be staying at Light-Welter for the forseeable future, as his power is really more impressive there than at welter.

Come on guys how can u say floyd isn't one of the greats. Granted he may have not engaged in an all out war with Baldomir but why should he. He got the UD he was looking for considering hes moved up through so many weight classes he probibly would get knocked out if he stood there and went at it with the naturally bigger guys. He has lost a bit of speed so hes obviously got to adapt his style a bit so he doesnt get caught , call it running if you may, cause against the WW's and LM's one punch could quiet possibly take him out. I think the guys a genious hes using his strengths and not allowing his weaknesses to be exploited. As fo dogging people, Hatton aint all that at welter and Margarito is not so hot either, fighting Baldomir was a valid choice as he had the better record that Tony, Cotto before his last fight at WW looked very shaky against Mallinagie and Torres, so who else is there? Mayweather always puts on a masterclass and uses his skill to the best of his ability why do u think he still has his 0 intact. As for all the people that say Castillo beat his it was a close fight and floyd had an off night but in the rematch he proved he was far superior so come on give the guy his dues. I dont like to say what would happen if Floyd fought such and such because you really cant say what would have happend. Mayweather has beaten the best avaliable to his, Castillo x2, Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Sosa, Hernandez, Gatti - was pritty much limited but still crediable, Judah and Baldomir and hes taking on ODLH a bold move in my oppinon especialy considering he started at 130. I think Floyd can skool him tho i mean DLH hasn't exactly been active of late and Floyd is still very quick anyone see Floyd winnin by UD takin most of the rounds from 6 onward? anyways thats just my 2 cents :P cant wait for fight night ;)

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Mayweather is to boxing as Vick is to NFL football.

They both have unparalleled skill and neither will achieve greatness.

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??? ??? ???

vick may be the single most overrated QB of all time, the guy is horribly inaccurate, he has a strong arm and he runs fast, he has no accuracy and cannot read defense, the only reason he makes passes is cus the farther its thrown the more time a reciever has to compensate for the QBs mistake, and he can throw pretty far

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Originally Posted by Counter

Yes he is talented......... >:mad but i still dont think he is that good, come on all the fighter out there now he could fight hatton, cotto, collazo, magarito, and that is 4 fighter's already possibly one of these you think ??? he should fight. The 80's elites fought each other mayweather well, picking his fights when he is hurt he runs. Not for me that is not greatness and he has not got it all when has he gone toe 2 toe ???. Hatton has proved that and the other fighters i have mentioned.

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I can't believe anyone still thinks this way. Im not even going to respond to your saying he isn't that good.. THat's assinine.. But your telling me Hatton, Cotto, Collazo, or Margarito are better fighters, or bigger challenges then DLH at 154?? Guarenteed if he was fighting one of those guys instead people would just say he could be fighting Oscar.. THere's no reason to argue this.

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Originally Posted by Counter

Yes he is talented......... >:mad but i still dont think he is that good, come on all the fighter out there now he could fight hatton, cotto, collazo, magarito, and that is 4 fighter's already possibly one of these you think ??? he should fight. The 80's elites fought each other mayweather well, picking his fights when he is hurt he runs. Not for me that is not greatness and he has not got it all when has he gone toe 2 toe ???. Hatton has proved that and the other fighters i have mentioned.

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I can't believe anyone still thinks this way. Im not even going to respond to your saying he isn't that good.. THat's assinine.. But your telling me Hatton, Cotto, Collazo, or Margarito are better fighters, or bigger challenges then DLH at 154?? Guarenteed if he was fighting one of those guys instead people would just say he could be fighting Oscar.. THere's no reason to argue this.

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I agree with you bro, by taking the ODLH fight he is making the biggest fight out there for him, everyone's gonna get absolutely loaded down with big hefty bags of cash, and Mayweather will get his acid test. I enjoyed DLH's last fight, but IO have a feeling the Mayweather is going to show how good he is in this one. Especially with Hatton going back down to 147, then this is the biggest fight possible at 154, period.

IMO Hatton does similar to what castillo did to mayweather but without really having as much success as castillo did in the 1st fight. To say hatton has no chance just because of the Collazo fight, is absolutely foolish. Mayweather for me, wins but it would be close i believe. I think a lot of it would come down to what weight they fought at, the ring size and the referee. In a smaller ring with a leniant ref, i would side with hatton. In a bigger ring with Jay nady bumming mayweather....i would side with mayweather.
Also that knockdown was not caused by a punch, it was caused by JLC standing on mayweather's foot.

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Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Sorry mate i like Hatton but he gets severly Schooled by Mayweather. Like him or loath him, the bloke is FOOKING talented, theres no two ways about that. I personally think his defence would give Hearns alot of trouble, its a 50/50 IMO, i back Leonard to take him out at welter though. If PBF beats DeLaHoya convincingly, that is a damn good win for him. IMO its still not enough to warrent his 'greatness' comments but he is damn talented.

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People forget Oscar's last two fights before Mayorga, He got beat by Sturm and got a gift decision and was KO by Hopkins. Mayorga is just a club fighter to fit the glove of the tactician of the Golden Boy Dela Hoya. Mayweather will box circles around Oscar, I don't think Mayweather will ko out Oscar but he will win a very convincing decision.

vick may be the single most overrated QB of all time, the guy is horribly inaccurate, he has a strong arm and he runs fast, he has no accuracy and cannot read defense, the only reason he makes passes is cus the farther its thrown the more time a reciever has to compensate for the QBs mistake, and he can throw pretty far
Sal


I agree with what you said here.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

Mayweather is to boxing as Vick is to NFL football.

They both have unparalleled skill and neither will achieve greatness.

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frozensolids top 2 atheletes.................

#1) floyd mayweather jr.

#2) michael vick


eerie..................... :-\

He ain't a runner, he's a pot shotter. he doesn't throw the amount of punches i want him to throw, but he systematically destroys an opponent. He is very efficient in the amount of punches he throws.

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

vick may be the single most overrated QB of all time, the guy is horribly inaccurate, he has a strong arm and he runs fast, he has no accuracy and cannot read defense, the only reason he makes passes is cus the farther its thrown the more time a reciever has to compensate for the QBs mistake, and he can throw pretty far
Sal


I agree with what you said here.

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you fail to mention that the falcons recieving core leads the nfl in dropped passes

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

vick may be the single most overrated QB of all time, the guy is horribly inaccurate, he has a strong arm and he runs fast, he has no accuracy and cannot read defense, the only reason he makes passes is cus the farther its thrown the more time a reciever has to compensate for the QBs mistake, and he can throw pretty far
Sal


I agree with what you said here.

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you fail to mention that the falcons recieving core leads the nfl in dropped passes

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you overlook the fact that its easier to catch a well thrown pass that actually lands in your vicinity wiothout having to struggle to get to the ball b4 it huts the ground ;)

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Originally Posted by Counter

There is talk how he would of done in the 80's, I think he would have spent most of his time on his back looking at the stars. Where the word greatness is used, think of the great fighters in the 80's leonard, duran, hearnes, pryor, hagler, benitez to name but a few . It takes more than a big mouth to prove your good, He has he fought, an old welter weight... and that is about it, JLC had him down with a BODY PUNCH, watch at 3:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1Uy...elated&search= look at mayweather get away with a knockdown. 36-1-24... that should be his record to this day. If you think he is great, you dont know much about boxing. I have been following boxing for over 30 years, i have got out of bed in the middle of the night to watch duran,leonard,hearnes,hagler to name yet a few. But i would not get out of the chair to watch floyd, over hyped and a runner thats
Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather.

If castillio floors him what will hatton do with his body shots!!! cause mayweather cant run from him ;D ;D ;D

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That body shot was clean but Castillo was stepping on his foot and that caused him to fall. This is coming from a guy who has ZERO respect for Floyd by the way.

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Originally Posted by Counter

There is talk how he would of done in the 80's, I think he would have spent most of his time on his back looking at the stars. Where the word greatness is used, think of the great fighters in the 80's leonard, duran, hearnes, pryor, hagler, benitez to name but a few . It takes more than a big mouth to prove your good, He has he fought, an old welter weight... and that is about it, JLC had him down with a BODY PUNCH, watch at 3:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1Uy...elated&search= look at mayweather get away with a knockdown. 36-1-24... that should be his record to this day. If you think he is great, you dont know much about boxing. I have been following boxing for over 30 years, i have got out of bed in the middle of the night to watch duran,leonard,hearnes,hagler to name yet a few. But i would not get out of the chair to watch floyd, over hyped and a runner thats
Floyd "Pretty Boy" Mayweather.

If castillio floors him what will hatton do with his body shots!!! cause mayweather cant run from him ;D ;D ;D

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You "fans' need to let this stuff go.

That was YEARS ago and Mayweather is MUCH better then he was back then. Why does everyone forget the rematch?

People talk about bullying the best way to beat Mayweather, stop being blind please :( If the Baldomir fight taught you anything its this, bullying is the LAST thing to do to beat Mayweather. And another thing is that Mayweather has improved as a fighter, if he hadn't then Baldomir would have out-muscled him and beat him. It didn't happen. Use that as evidence that Mayweather can get beat but the most recent evidence of Collazo would convince you Hatton would get beat by Mayweather.

Fights 6 years ago don't mean anything if nobody has capitalized on Mayweather using that yet since then and you know they've watched the tape.

So whats the point of keeping bringing it up?

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

vick may be the single most overrated QB of all time, the guy is horribly inaccurate, he has a strong arm and he runs fast, he has no accuracy and cannot read defense, the only reason he makes passes is cus the farther its thrown the more time a reciever has to compensate for the QBs mistake, and he can throw pretty far
Sal


I agree with what you said here.

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you fail to mention that the falcons recieving core leads the nfl in dropped passes

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you overlook the fact that its easier to catch a well thrown pass that actually lands in your vicinity wiothout having to struggle to get to the ball b4 it huts the ground ;)

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judging by this post, youre one who watches every game of one team and tries to judge a player that hes never seen in a game by reading the stat sheets in the sports section the following monday.


watch a falcons game, then you will know whats up ;)(dallas vs. atlanta this saturday on the nfl network)

I think PBF, is a great fighter...but a type of fighter that after he retires...no one will really remember IMO. Too many questions left unanswered. Yes, he's fighting DLH...but DLH is on his way out...has 4 losses on his record. IMO for Floyd to be rememberd the way HE wants to be remembered he needs to fight the winner of Cotto vs Margarito and if possible Winky...if he does retire after the DLH fight...sorry to say but IMO, he will be forgotten quite fast. Again, that's just my opinion....

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I think PBF, is a great fighter...but a type of fighter that after he retires...no one will really remember IMO. Too many questions left unanswered. Yes, he's fighting DLH...but DLH is on his way out...has 4 losses on his record. IMO for Floyd to be rememberd the way HE wants to be remembered he needs to fight the winner of Cotto vs Margarito and if possible Winky...if he does retire after the DLH fight...sorry to say but IMO, he will be forgotten quite fast. Again, that's just my opinion....

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#1) delahoya at jr. middleweight is infinitley bigger and much riskier than margarito or cotto will probably ever be (espically margarito who was almost exposed by clottey the same way he was exposed by daniel santos the club fighter 5 fights ago)

#2) winky wright is a middleweight......................... if floyd beats oscar at 154 and winky wants to come back down to 154, then that is the only way that fight ever has the possibility of coming off (and thats IF winky doesnt try to price himself out the way he did against jermain in the potential rematch)

#3) i dont think theres too many fighters out there who retired undefeated (assuming he beats delahoya like you said) having won world championships in FIVE different weight classes at 30 years old, that wouldnt be considered an all time great................................. in fact, thats never been done in the history of boxing ;)



goodnight, sanchez

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I think PBF, is a great fighter...but a type of fighter that after he retires...no one will really remember IMO. Too many questions left unanswered. Yes, he's fighting DLH...but DLH is on his way out...has 4 losses on his record. IMO for Floyd to be rememberd the way HE wants to be remembered he needs to fight the winner of Cotto vs Margarito and if possible Winky...if he does retire after the DLH fight...sorry to say but IMO, he will be forgotten quite fast. Again, that's just my opinion....

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:coolclick: It is your opinion...& actually a won that holds some water.

The thing is...I've been a fan of Floyd since...hell...I don't know when...forever it seems...anywho...I don't think that there are as many unanswered questions as most of his critics pose.

Oscar still has a bit left & a win over him would mean quite a bit in the grand scheme of things regarding Floyd's career.

I do agree that once he's gone...he'll be forgotten or written off if he does not face Cotto or Hatton...but not Margarito or Winky.

Big fan of Winky too...& he's just too far out of reach as far as weight goes...same goes for Oscar too.

Personally I think that Floyd is fighting far beyond his weight at 154...even if he were to outbox Oscar...I'll still feel that way.

140 is where Floyd belongs, IWO.

Again...good post & some valid arguements.

I totally agree with you COUNTER, if Castillo could do that imagine what Duran would do to him, I said on another topic that after Duran had given Floyd a few low blows, elbows and thumbs, Floyd would think he's been in with a Tiger and Duran wins a close decision, but after some consideration I think I've been genorous to Floyd and all the people in this Forum that think he's Great, what he's Great because he (Floyd says so) I'm now certain that Duran would destroy him, he would take away his heart and stop "pretty boy" in the 11th round.

The word Greatness is used so out of context these days, FLOYD IS GOOD BUT NOT GREAT!

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I totally agree with you COUNTER, if Castillo could do that imagine what Duran would do to him, I said on another topic that after Duran had given Floyd a few low blows, elbows and thumbs, Floyd would think he's been in with a Tiger and Duran wins a close decision, but after some consideration I think I've been genorous to Floyd and all the people in this Forum that think he's Great, what he's Great because he (Floyd says so) I'm now certain that Duran would destroy him, he would take away his heart and stop "pretty boy" in the 11th round.

The word Greatness is used so out of context these days, FLOYD IS GOOD BUT NOT GREAT!

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

Yes, he's fighting DLH...but DLH is on his way out...has 4 losses on his record. that's just my opinion....

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Not meaning to nit pick ::**
But we all know that 2 of those losses should have been discounted the second they were given.
One of the others holds no disrepute what so ever as it was against a way bigger man, who was some what of a kingpin and is regarded as a living ledgend.


The remaining loss on his record was handed to him, by a man, who if he himself had of met PBF in his prime, would of handed his 1st defeat to him at 135,140 or even 147.

Granted, he should of been credited with a big fat "L" for his efforts aginst Strum... But like Floyd, who himself started his career at 130, it would be hard to find many respectable yet beatable middleweights.

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I do agree that once he's gone...he'll be forgotten or written off if he does not face Cotto or Hatton...but not Margarito or Winky.

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I personally feel PBF will be one of those over debated myths who, in a couple of decades will be regarded one of the most underated greatest p4p fighters of all time ;)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

140 is where Floyd belongs, IWO.

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You damn right there... at least he would still be boiling (by about 4 pouns ::** ) down to make this weight.

You don't get to become great unless you defeat great.

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Originally Posted by sexydarin

You don't get to become great unless you defeat great.

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Name me a "great" nowadays that Mayweather could beat right now and get full credit?

ZZZ boring topic lets move on from the PBF bashing... because it proves how people know nothing about current fighters who don't think he can step up against the fighters of the 80's.