Is open scoring a good or bad thing for boxing?

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Double edged sword imo ;)

Mostly its to monitor fights to make sure theres no shady ass decisions but it could change how someone would fight if they knew they were behind on points. But hey, Everyone in hockey, football, soccer, baseball, and basketball know who's winning by how much b4 the end of the game so why not boxing?

It certainly won't stop dodgy decisions!
How can it?
I think it could make for more entertaining latter rounds if say a fighter is well down on points and is fully aware of just how far behind he is.... (as opposed to just knowing he is behind.)
Surely fighters in that position are gonna go for it much more from say 8 rounds onwards!!

I thnk they need to keep doing it for some time before they decide. The taylor match as of yet proved nothing, so it will be interesting to see what happens now in future fights.

Actually this could give the fighter who is way ahead after 8 round the knowledge to just run away for 4 rounds too :)

There's no easy solution

I hate it. At least I think I do? Maybe going into the last round it would be good but I'm not that receptive to change. One of the most suspenseful moments in all of boxing is that final scorecard being announced after a close fight. I mean, the scorecards being revealed was one of the most exciting parts of the fight.

I don't know, I hate the new NBA ball and I hate this Open Scoring thing. That's just me.

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I hate it. At least I think I do? Maybe going into the last round it would be good but I'm not that receptive to change. One of the most suspenseful moments in all of boxing is that final scorecard being announced after a close fight. I mean, the scorecards being revealed was one of the most exciting parts of the fight.

I don't know, I hate the new NBA ball and I hate this Open Scoring thing. That's just me.

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Sometimes it turns from the most suspensful moment into a flood of boos when someone clearly gets robbed. I dunno maybe its bound to happen regardless from human error or being paid off.

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Originally Posted by Smashup

It certainly won't stop dodgy decisions!
How can it?
I think it could make for more entertaining latter rounds if say a fighter is well down on points and is fully aware of just how far behind he is.... (as opposed to just knowing he is behind.)
Surely fighters in that position are gonna go for it much more from say 8 rounds onwards!!

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No you got it backwards. Fighters who know they are ahead, don't take risks
and run/hold their way to a victory.

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Originally Posted by amat

I hate it. At least I think I do? Maybe going into the last round it would be good but I'm not that receptive to change. One of the most suspenseful moments in all of boxing is that final scorecard being announced after a close fight. I mean, the scorecards being revealed was one of the most exciting parts of the fight.

I don't know, I hate the new NBA ball and I hate this Open Scoring thing. That's just me.

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Sometimes it turns from the most suspensful moment into a flood of boos when someone clearly gets robbed. I dunno maybe its bound to happen regardless from human error or being paid off.

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How does open scoring change that though?

I know in the 80's the scorecards would get released to the media a lot but I'm not sure that the fighters ever knew.

It is a double edged sword!
they say it will stop corruption but i can't see how ???

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It is a double edged sword!
they say it will stop corruption but i can't see how ???

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Exactly... which means it's a one edged sword afterall. ;)

I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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YES! The crowd can "BOOOOO!" and harass their way when the hometown kid doesn't get the round "they think he should've desereved" in every round. Judges can back down from those calls. Judges are already influenced by hometown crowds, this will make it worse, because the hometown crowd KNOWS the scores in advance and can influence the next rounds.

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I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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YES! The crowd can "BOOOOO!" and harass their way when the hometown kid doesn't get the round "they think he should've desereved" in every round.

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usually its the hometown kid that gets the jacked decision in his favor.

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I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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YES! The crowd can "BOOOOO!" and harass their way when the hometown kid doesn't get the round "they think he should've desereved" in every round.

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usually its the hometown kid that gets the jacked decision in his favor.

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But will open scoring "improve" this.... heheh hellll noo!

Open scoring is jacked. It's the actual judges that are the real problem.

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I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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YES! The crowd can "BOOOOO!" and harass their way when the hometown kid doesn't get the round "they think he should've desereved" in every round.

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usually its the hometown kid that gets the jacked decision in his favor.

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But will open scoring "improve" this.... heheh hellll noo!

Open scoring is jacked. It's the actual judges that are the real problem.

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We're trying to find a solution to this outside of having Fight Night techno judges where you just enter the punch stats and that determines the winner.

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I dunno it might it help it might not. Could it be worse? is the question i ask.

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YES! The crowd can "BOOOOO!" and harass their way when the hometown kid doesn't get the round "they think he should've desereved" in every round.

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usually its the hometown kid that gets the jacked decision in his favor.

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But will open scoring "improve" this.... heheh hellll noo!

Open scoring is jacked. It's the actual judges that are the real problem.

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We're trying to find a solution to this outside of having Fight Night techno judges where you just enter the punch stats and that determines the winner.

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hahah, are you 10! You better not be 10~! hahah or worse, teens. ;D

Have you been listenin' to me. ;D Open scoring is a regression in scoring. I gave my reasons already, on deaf ears it seems.

Bad calls happen in football too so i guess i'll accept the scoring system the way it is now but something needs to be done about the "buy your title shot" alphabet councils.

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Bad calls happen in football too so i guess i'll accept the scoring system the way it is now but something needs to be done about the "buy your title shot" alphabet councils.

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By the way. cc :D

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Originally Posted by Smashup

It is a double edged sword!
they say it will stop corruption but i can't see how ???

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Exactly. I mean...if there is a crooked judge....he's going to score crooked no matter who knows it.

The issue here is that the judges need to remain unbiased and not be influenced by the other judges. Thats why they turn their cards in at the end of each round and are not allowed to talk or communicate with each other during the fight. Its not scoring by commitee.Judges who hear the other scores during a fight WILL be influenced and IMO that is unacceptable. Perhaps a 5 (or 4?) judges scoring for all championship fights with a majority win needing 4-1 and a 3-2 being a draw. what do you think?

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The issue here is that the judges need to remain unbiased and not be influenced by the other judges. Thats why they turn their cards in at the end of each round and are not allowed to talk or communicate with each other during the fight. Its not scoring by commitee.Judges who hear the other scores during a fight WILL be influenced and IMO that is unacceptable. Perhaps a 5 (or 4?) judges scoring for all championship fights with a majority win needing 4-1 and a 3-2 being a draw. what do you think?

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They don't sit next to each other. It's SOMETIMES we come across a judge who doesn't know what they are doing. Some are in their 80's. :D But the word "robbery!" is overused and abused, some fights are actually closer than we give credit.

i say YES keep it! it will help prevent shady suprises from going on.

but what BOXING truly needs is INSTANT REPLAY!!!!!!

how many times have u seen a missed KNOCK DOWN or contraversal KNOCK DOWN. or cut due to a head butt, and not a punch??????????

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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

i say YES keep it! it will help prevent shady suprises from going on.

but what BOXING truly needs is INSTANT REPLAY!!!!!!

how many times have u seen a missed KNOCK DOWN or contraversal KNOCK DOWN. or cut due to a head butt, and not a punch??????????

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Velocity, you were right.

Instant Replay, you ARE right.

But Open Scoring... the ONLY thing good I see about it, is the crowd's reaction is dampened from knowing beforehand a crumy decision slowly, each round... but

WHY OPEN SCORING... how will that solve it? You WANT the judges to be affected by the crowd?
Because I think that's why people support open scoring. They think that everybody will come down on the judges everytime they score badly... but that's just bad officiating. Encouraging a jugde to be affected by oustide sources, besides the fight.

It's just bad judging to start with. Crack down on the 80 year olds and the consistent bad decision on certain judges.... and I'm talking BLATANT bad calls. Not close calls. Score cards we KNOW are in opposition of what happened.

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i say YES keep it! it will help prevent shady suprises from going on.

but what BOXING truly needs is INSTANT REPLAY!!!!!!

how many times have u seen a missed KNOCK DOWN or contraversal KNOCK DOWN. or cut due to a head butt, and not a punch??????????

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Velocity, you were right.

Instant Replay, you ARE right.

But Open Scoring... the ONLY thing good I see about it, is the crowd's reaction is dampened from knowing beforehand a crumy decision slowly, each round... but

WHY OPEN SCORING... how will that solve it? You WANT the judges to be affected by the crowd?
Because I think that's why people support open scoring. They think that everybody will come down on the judges everytime they score badly... but that's just bad officiating. Encouraging a jugde to be affected by oustide sources, besides the fight.

It's just bad judging to start with. Crack down on the 80 year olds and the consistent bad decision on certain judges.... and I'm talking BLATANT bad calls. Not close calls. Score cards we KNOW are in opposition of what happened.

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no no bro look at what i typed exactly i wrote it will help us from shady suprises meaning. we the audience at home or at the fight know the judges are already being shady LOL. i never said it will solve or prevent corruptness but atleast we know 4 rounds into it and 8 rounds into it how shady our judges are instead of waiting the full 12 rounds LOL thats actually what i posted bro

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i say YES keep it! it will help prevent shady suprises from going on.

but what BOXING truly needs is INSTANT REPLAY!!!!!!

how many times have u seen a missed KNOCK DOWN or contraversal KNOCK DOWN. or cut due to a head butt, and not a punch??????????

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Velocity, you were right.

Instant Replay, you ARE right.

But Open Scoring... the ONLY thing good I see about it, is the crowd's reaction is dampened from knowing beforehand a crumy decision slowly, each round... but

WHY OPEN SCORING... how will that solve it? You WANT the judges to be affected by the crowd?
Because I think that's why people support open scoring. They think that everybody will come down on the judges everytime they score badly... but that's just bad officiating. Encouraging a jugde to be affected by oustide sources, besides the fight.

It's just bad judging to start with. Crack down on the 80 year olds and the consistent bad decision on certain judges.... and I'm talking BLATANT bad calls. Not close calls. Score cards we KNOW are in opposition of what happened.

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no no bro look at what i typed exactly i wrote it will help us from shady suprises meaning. we the audience at home or at the fight know the judges are already being shady LOL. i never said it will solve or prevent corruptness but atleast we know 4 rounds into it and 8 rounds into it how shady our judges are instead of waiting the full 12 rounds LOL thats actually what i posted bro

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At least "we know"..... your right. "Knowing" is ONE thing good...

But is THAT the price we pay when a Sharmba Mitchell coasts and runs away in the last 4 rounds, because he has the first 8 secured because he knows he will win on the score cards?

He's not the only boxer to take advantage of the system, when open scoring was used on their bout.

true but the plus side is.........u will have a higher chance of action in particular of someone getting KTFO or atleast attempting to which could lead to a counter punch to KTFO of the person trying to KTFO of the person initially LOL

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Originally Posted by TheBESTP4P

true but the plus side is.........u will have a higher chance of action in particular of someone getting KTFO or atleast attempting to which could lead to a counter punch to KTFO of the person trying to KTFO of the person initially LOL

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If the evidence showed that, then I'd agree my friend. But Many a Boxers decided to coast and give away rounds, knowing they could get away safely ahead a little on points. It's easy to run away... Oscar did it, haha. It's much harder to fight back.

They do use replay and talk to the sanctioning bodies present at the fight of wether a cut was caused by an accidental headbutt or not.